What's going on with PVE?

[Kazuya]

Since last patch i hardly can win pve battles.All i usually do is grind 5-6 lines at once ,play each ship for x1.5 takes about 1h or more and then i turn the game off, but lately defeat after defeat takes me 3 hours to do all my ships if i dont just quit before.I mean pve is fubar now,cant get x1.5 in one ship after 5 battles ,either you buffed the bots or the stupidest people on planet earth play this game.Oh and 1 more thing ,stop selling goddamn Tirpitz ships those noobs that play it get murdered every time without doing anything useful.Rant Over.

[Black0rchid]

Roflao...........

 

Loved your post ! You just made my day a litle brighter! Ty TY TY

 

[Khul]

the stupidest people on planet earth play this game.

 

I have edited your post, leaving the answer visible.

 

You're welcome.

 

PS: Seriously, though, I think they've been talking about doing something interesting with PvsE side of the game for a while now. I know it's probably not soon ™, but one day it might be interesting...

[MudMonkey]

Are you serious? I mean....like...serious serious?

You are complaining that players with "less experience" are playing PvE? What else should they play?

Btw: You are actually losing in PvE? ... Tehehehe

[cro_pwr]

retrained my benson captain in PVE today.

no skills on him, had no idea when im detected etc, did ~120k dmg.

so yea, bots arent that great.

[Acetessigester]

Since the last patch high tier PVE is not longer just like killing some slimes as before.

With your 2000+ PVE experience isnt it time to show your skill when facing those aggressive bots now?

[The_Fear_Of_All_Sums]

Since last patch i hardly can win pve battles.All i usually do is grind 5-6 lines at once ,play each ship for x1.5 takes about 1h or more and then i turn the game off, but lately defeat after defeat takes me 3 hours to do all my ships if i dont just quit before.I mean pve is fubar now,cant get x1.5 in one ship after 5 battles ,either you buffed the bots or the stupidest people on planet earth play this game.Oh and 1 more thing ,stop selling goddamn Tirpitz ships those noobs that play it get murdered every time without doing anything useful.Rant Over.

 

Did you not think all these players going around with 99% win rate in PvE and 40% win rates in PvP were a bit ridiculous? 

People weren't learning a thing in that mode because it was stupidly easy. 

 

Then they go and play against real players and rage after realising they aren't gaming gods. 

 

Edit: OP is a perfect example. 

PvE winrate is 95.7% with a Warships today rating of 1722.

PvP is 38.2%  with a warships today rating of 982. 

 

 

 the stupidest people on planet earth play this game

 

Sometimes... Yes. 

 

[S4h3L]

Kazuya, on 02 May 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

... i hardly can win pve battles... ...or the stupidest people on planet earth play this game.Oh and 1 more thing ,stop selling goddamn Tirpitz ships those noobs that play it get murdered every time without doing anything useful.

 

 

 

[AndyHill]

There's nothing wrong with playing just PvE if that's what you want to do, it's a legitimate question (I don't know about the issue itself, though, but there's no reason to give the OP hard time for wanting to play PvE).

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

2122 CO-OP battles. I know some people do like co op but tbh I would play any other game than grind ships in battles vs bots. Like there's so many other interesting games than what co op can offer to you.

[havaduck]

Without talking about the OP: Its not a problem with the bots, or co-op per se but with the people playing it - just like random pvps.

 

 

... and yes I offer myself to check my stats in both co-op and pvp, if you want to make any remarks.

 

 

To sum it op: I love those changes!

 

I outlined my opinion here:  http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/50356-coop-battles/page__pid__1001476#entry1001476

 

and in addition to that: The change is also great because people switching from co-op to pvp will have less of a rough transition!

 

[Kurbain]

Why give OP such a hard time just because he is talking about co-op battles?

Let players enjoy the game however they want. They aren't hurting anybody's gameplay by choosing to play co-op battles.

Considering a lot of players like to complain about teammates that perform poorly in random battles, isn't it positive that some players that take a more casual and laid-back approach to WOWS stick to co-op?

 

In one of the Russian Q&A's it was mentioned that 30% of all played battles are co-op battles, which means they are a surprisingly important part of the game and should be properly addressed. Looking at the statistics of some players that primarily play co-op, I imagine that they're helping a lot to finance the game with all their premium ship purchases.

 

What's so wrong about their lack of improvement if they never play random anyway?

[RichardNixon]

What's so wrong about their lack of improvement if they never play random anyway?

 

Some of them do. The trouble with co-op is that it was so easy that it forced aggressive strategies: If you don't charge, the enemy die before you get there. It wasn't necessarily a good introduction to the game.

 

It makes sense for co-op to be somewhat easier than randoms, but not so easy that it's reduced to an XP-chase. I don't know how it changed in 5.5.

 

[SerPurr]

As a frequent bot-squasher I can only agree that Co-op mode is stupidly easy most of the time. Bots running aground, outrunning their own smoke, not caring about angling whatsoever, launching their scout plane at the first second, it all doesn't help making it at least somewhat challenging. So yeah, it makes for complacent, quick and often boring gameplay, rewarding you with a guaranteed 1200xp and 120k credits after 5 minutes on average. Fine by me. I only collect the ships and for me it's a very stress free way of acquiring them after a hard days work.

 

Haven't seen much improvement since the last patch for the bots. Maybe the spotting bug plays a part here. Dunno. Because it's so easy, sometimes part of your team just goes into yolo-berserk mode. I've seen cruisers charging smack into the middle, dump their torps, get 2 kills, get destroyed themselves and voila, see above XP results but then make it under 1 minute average? Not bad for them I guess...

 

Land of Fire and Trap seem to be the 2 maps bots do best on. On LoF Long range gunnery favors bots a tiny bit more (they aren't that bad at aiming sometimes) and on Trap everyone is drawn to A where the resulting slugfest can sometimes just RNG towards the bots. That said, it's still a huge facepalm moment each time I loose to the bots. It's never because they've done anything particularly good, always cause either the team or myself have done something incredibly bad.

 

 

[Kazuya]

Since the last patch high tier PVE is not longer just like killing some slimes as before.

With your 2000+ PVE experience isnt it time to show your skill when facing those aggressive bots now?

you can be skilled like Jack Sparrow if 4 ships target you there is no chance you will survive

2122 CO-OP battles. I know some people do like co op but tbh I would play any other game than grind ships in battles vs bots. Like there's so many other interesting games than what co op can offer to you.

i would need 5h every day in PVP to complete x1.5 because every damn round lasts 20min with 9 lines that im doing ,basically all Japanese, American and German trees so I PVE ,the game is simply not worth that much time because it's gameplay is total crap ,the only good thing are the ships

 

[Admiral_noodle]

So I unlocked Budyonny yesterday and went into coop for its first outing - to learn the ship somewhere "safe". I expected it to be hard now with the AI changes.

 

It isn't. Bots are still baaaaad. Though possibly slightly less bad than before. They could now pass as bad players

[ilhilh]

you can be skilled like Jack Sparrow if 4 ships target you there is no chance you will survive

 

 

Suggestion:  Don't sail into a situation where 4 ships can shoot at you.

 

i would need 5h every day in PVP to complete x1.5 because every damn round lasts 20min with 9 lines that im doing ,basically all Japanese, American and German trees so I PVE ,the game is simply not worth that much time because it's gameplay is total crap ,the only good thing are the ships

 

Yea but the XP rewards are abysmal in coop meaning progressing through the lines is painfully slow in coop.  You would be far better off playing less PvP games but actually making some tangible progress.  And you cannot complain at the gameplay when you have played 34 games in PvP.

[waxx25]

Since last patch i hardly can win pve battles.All i usually do is grind 5-6 lines at once ,play each ship for x1.5 takes about 1h or more and then i turn the game off, but lately defeat after defeat takes me 3 hours to do all my ships if i dont just quit before.I mean pve is fubar now,cant get x1.5 in one ship after 5 battles ,either you buffed the bots or the stupidest people on planet earth play this game.Oh and 1 more thing ,stop selling goddamn Tirpitz ships those noobs that play it get murdered every time without doing anything useful.Rant Over.

 

This post is proof that someone somewhere will complain about literally everything

[Aotearas]

Yesterday I got into a CoOp battle by accident (were trying to invite someone to a training room session to test out the detectability bug, but the game auto-changes the battle setting to CoOp) ... it was still a total pushover in my Colorado despite me straight up #yolo'ing into mid on Faultline.

 

And the reason why I #yolo'ed down there was because recent comments about PVE suddenly being harder sparkled the slightest of hopes within me that we could actually lose and I didn't waste my 1.5x XP in a CoOp game. Turns out that short of teamkilling and then suicide-ramming in the mirrored Colorado there was nothing I could've done to successfully lose the game and I have some pride damnit, I won't lose if I actually have to work for it!

 

In other words:

Playing the CoOp bots is like stealing lollipos from toddlers, same as always.

[NEUTRALIZER_7M]

Nooblet.

[Acetessigester]

When 4 ships target you it means you have run into some wrong place. You dont have to do it even in PVE .

Without something important, courage and self-confidence become meanless.

 

[Xerkics]

So wait you can carry on playing vs bots after tier 2 ? I thought the game only had bots at first two tiers as a form of training mode. 

[Hero_of_Zero_EU]

There a couple topic over NA server that talk about co-op difficulty spike after 0.5.5. You may find like-minded people there. Just need to look for them a bit.

I personally don't notice it but I play mostly carrier so i oblivious to bot shooting skill.

But I did see great ball of CAs that I need to suicide in just to drop. But that happen before 0.5.5 too.

Oh and I had player complain about bot shot too good just today. He got citadel-ed. in a BB.

 

[N00b32]

 

 

The problem of PvE is the 7 vs 7. People do not realize that it requires another approach and thus they loose to the combined firepower of 4 AI ships. And even the 12 vs 12 tactic is not executed flawless when there is no opposition, but rather in best border crawling style.

[Admiral_noodle]

So wait you can carry on playing vs bots after tier 2 ? I thought the game only had bots at first two tiers as a form of training mode. 

 

Nope. Goes all the way to tier X! I tested Amagi there when I first unlocked her. I test out all my new ships in coop because I don't want to be a burden to my team if I'm not sure how the ship plays. It's very useful.