Tier 7&8 Cruisers, do they need repair parties?

[Kazomir]

The Pensa, the Myoko, the Yorck, and the newcomer Shchors. The Mogami, NO, Hipper and the Chepayev.

 

 

Basically heavy cruisers, as their respective upper tiers, they get the worst of both worlds of cruisers.

 

Lacking the maneuverability and small profile of their lower-tier breathhren (Except for the Russian ones, they are basically all big and immovable, but I am honestly not that interested in them generally) , they also lack the survivability provided by the heal of their higher-tier classmates.  And as I am generally in support of more survivable ships. (No ship should be able to lose half of its health due to RNG at the start of the game and just stay crippled, it is just not fun.  )  I think cruisers of lower tiers need a repair button too.

 

Tier 8 cruisers in particular, at least in team battles, are outshined both by atago, because it has heals, and by the MK, that has smoke, also a way of staying alive. This is especially unfair in the case of Mogami, which was nerfed recently and its 203mm configurations is basically an Atago without good torp arcs and heals.

 

What is your oppinion? Do they statistically deserve it? Are they already powerfull or are they not?

[txtspeak]

tier 8 heavy cruisers need the repair party as the atago does but the tier 7s are ok without it

[Reisen__]

tier 7 who be good with the repair party but i think tier 8 needs it more

 

[Tyrendian89]

hmmm... I'm not sure that would leave T9 cruisers as they currently are that much of a reason to exist. I mean, what do they each get to distinguish them from the T8s except for the repair? Donskoi is pretty different from Chappy, so that'd be fine. Baltimore is NO with a bit better guns but not much else. Ibuki pretty much only has its access to the 3m upgrade slot over the 8" Mogami. Roon has a different but not necessarily better gun setup from Hipper, although the fire rate is pretty nice, and is actually worse in terms of Torpedoes (1x4 per side is just so inferior to 2x3...)

[txtspeak]

tier 7 who be good with the repair party but i think tier 8 needs it more

 

 

agreed, although the myoko and the pensacola that I have seem good enough without it, still havent got a tier 8 cruiser but judging by the fact the atago has it they all should have it

[Kazomir]

tier 7 who be good with the repair party but i think tier 8 needs it more

 

 

Maybe tier 7s get 1 charge? (with the premium Atlanta getting smoke charges, cause come on, she needs buffs)

[Kazomir]

hmmm... I'm not sure that would leave T9 cruisers as they currently are that much of a reason to exist. I mean, what do they each get to distinguish them from the T8s except for the repair? Donskoi is pretty different from Chappy, so that'd be fine. Baltimore is NO with a bit better guns but not much else. Ibuki pretty much only has its access to the 3m upgrade slot over the 8" Mogami. Roon has a different but not necessarily better gun setup from Hipper, although the fire rate is pretty nice, and is actually worse in terms of Torpedoes (1x4 per side is just so inferior to 2x3...)

 

Good point. But keep in mind they get other improvements over their lower-tier brothers, not only the heal.

[Praxics]

I think all cruisers from T7 onwards need repair party.

[WhoCares01]

 

Maybe tier 7s get 1 charge? (with the premium Atlanta getting smoke charges, cause come on, she needs buffs)

 

Slight problem with that is that with premium consumable and Superintendent skill you are already at 3 charges, and that might make it OP.

[Spellfire40]

No they dont and it woudnt even help them because 99% of all cases were you wished for repair its a BB citadel hit and you cant really repair that anyway. For atago i see repair only as a bait to waste credits on prem repair consumable. Hadnt had one case were it made the difference between death or live.

[ScratxNeko]

 

Slight problem with that is that with premium consumable and Superintendent skill you are already at 3 charges, and that might make it OP.

 

Alternatively, give normal number of charges but nerf the hitpoints each charge gives. So they have heals but they're less effective than higher tier ones.

[Kazomir]

 

Slight problem with that is that with premium consumable and Superintendent skill you are already at 3 charges, and that might make it OP.

 

With prem consumable and superintendent BBs and hightier cruisers have 5. Maybe that is the point? You are wasting money and skillpoints after all.

[Kazomir]

No they dont and it woudnt even help them because 99% of all cases were you wished for repair its a BB citadel hit and you cant really repair that anyway. For atago i see repair only as a bait to waste credits on prem repair consumable. Hadnt had one case were it made the difference between death or live.

 

I have had games where Atago heals have made the difference between a win and a loss. (Kill the atago to win by points in the next 40 seconds, he is at only 1k HP, pops up a heal and finishes the battle with 4k HP, despite being hit by several shells. )

 

Atago is literally the only cruiser currently played in team battles along with the MK exactly because of the heal.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Of those I only really have experience with Myoko (and a couple of battles with Pensa and Nawlins). Myoko's relatively fine as she is, but a lesser heal (either amount of charges or HP healed) wouldn't be imbalanced, I think.

[EmilyFara]

Voted yes. The NO could really use a bit extra. Although the RADAR addition is quite nice. And I haven't been 1 shot for a while.

The Atlanta wouldn't need the repair though. The ship is not a tank and shouldn't take damage. She needs different buffs.

[BillydSquid]

For T7 no. They don't get pulled into higher tier games. 

 

T8 im really torn between this, I've about 300 games in the Hipper and Atago, more in the Hipper as that's my preference. Atago is good, it's a T8 monster compared to other CAs in that tier actually in terms of survivability. Yet I still prefer the Hipper, the Atago definitely has greater survivability which really serves it well, but I'm not sure that T8 needs it. 

 

The problem isn't that the T8 are UP or that the Atago is OP in T7/8; in a broadside fight vs the Hipper it'll actually lose a fair bit of the time as the Hipper's AP will rip through its armour into the citadel, it's got a better rate of fire, range and turret traverse. The biggest problem T8 encounters is they get drawn into T9/10 games where they are woefully ill equipped both in armour and shells to effectively handle the kind of ships they encounter, and at T8 BBs really start to spike in power compared to T7.

 

Id say repair party for T8 would certainly be welcome given they get pulled into games with T9/10, but not strictly necessary.

[Kazomir]

For T7 no. They don't get pulled into higher tier games. 

 

T8 im really torn between this, I've about 300 games in the Hipper and Atago, more in the Hipper as that's my preference. Atago is good, it's a T8 monster compared to other CAs in that tier actually in terms of survivability. Yet I still prefer the Hipper, the Atago definitely has greater survivability which really serves it well, but I'm not sure that T8 needs it. 

 

The problem isn't that the T8 are UP or that the Atago is OP in T7/8; in a broadside fight vs the Hipper it'll actually lose a fair bit of the time as the Hipper's AP will rip through its armour into the citadel, it's got a better rate of fire, range and turret traverse. The biggest problem T8 encounters is they get drawn into T9/10 games where they are woefully ill equipped both in armour and shells to effectively handle the kind of ships they encounter, and at T8 BBs really start to spike in power compared to T7.

 

Id say repair party for T8 would certainly be welcome given they get pulled into games with T9/10, but not strictly necessary.

 

Tier 7 cruisers can get pulled into a tier 9 game. And that is where they are useless, even with a theoretical heal.

[LetsRockAndRoll]

Did anyone check any of these ships stats before voting?

 

http://warshipstats.com/analytics/

 

Or are we just looking at the Atago and MK in the hands of unicums in team battles?

 

[Kazomir]

Did anyone check any of these ships stats before voting?

 

http://warshipstats.com/analytics/

 

Or are we just looking at the Atago and MK in the hands of unicums in team battles?

 

 

Unicums in team battles are heavily outnumbered by morons that havent reached tier 6 even but still bought a tier 8 prem ship. But dont mind me, I've actually studied statistics and can legit tell you staring at a chart will not allways give you the objective picture. There are facets and nuances that one simply staring at the numbers (A bean counter) will allways miss. And this is where they fail most of the time.

 

Not that I dont appreciate the easy targets and how they are supporting the game I like, mind you.

 

And, if WG doesn't balance stuff based on team battles, how are they even claiming they want to expand the E-sports aspect if they balance the game for the casual playerbase?

[von_chom]

just tier 8 imho, considering the DDs also dont have concealment module on T7

[159Hunter]

I see why, but giving them to tier VII and VIII will drag the imbalance to potentially tier V ships ( as they get matched with tier VII ), so what's next: in a few months we'll ask for repair modules on Omaha and Murmansk?

Honestly they'd probably be better off reducing the mount of reps on atago to 1 standard ( total of 3 with premium and superintendent ).

[YukiEiriKun]

After triple citadel no amount of repai party can save you. I sailed through t7 crisers quite happily without one and do not think the need it.

 

I would remove it from all cruisers and leave it to BB speciality. That said, I have yet to tried the t9-10 cruisers so can't really say if they need that or not.

[Spellfire40]

 

I have had games where Atago heals have made the difference between a win and a loss. (Kill the atago to win by points in the next 40 seconds, he is at only 1k HP, pops up a heal and finishes the battle with 4k HP, despite being hit by several shells. )

 

Atago is literally the only cruiser currently played in team battles along with the MK exactly because of the heal.

 

​If ist nessesary in that gamemode give it out to everyone in that gamemode. Id rather not lose 50 tro 80 % of my HP pool each time a BB so much as sneeze in my direction in the 1st place. Killed 2 angled Pensacocals in my colerado in 3 salvos once lost my own CA often enogh in 1 to 3 BB salvos while trying to to my Job of spoting DDs and Torps for my Team in random. instead of hanging in the back behind the BBs and staying alive longer.

[Takeda92]

I'm not sure tier 7 cruisers need the heal. They seem to be fine and the underperforming ones can be fixed with stat buffs.

 

Tier 8 cruisers need to be brought up to the premium cruisers levels.

[LilJumpa]

Only T8, please rework the poll because I cannot answer.

 

If T8 cruisers get the repair party it would be the necessary and wanted indirect nerf to the Atago just by making the other cruisers better. Would be good for diversity in randoms/ranked and teambattles and would maybe shut up the P2W critics.

The only thing that would have to be discussed:

What would be the tradeoff. NO/Chapayev just got the radar, MK did not(!), while losing their planes if they use it. Hipper has in comparison the strongest Hydro. Mogami has................ a sad face.