Nerf Saipan

[Elguancho]

Today i meet a lot of Saipan on different maps and i can only wonder what you Wargaming guys were thinking when you decided to offer a premium ship for tier 7 when u give it everything needed for tier 9? 

Bombers are faster than Hiryu fighters, fighters are much better than Hiryus fighters. Unless someone can outnumber Saipans fighters you cant destroy destroy them with fighters of same tier. 

Seems as you really want to troll players who dont want to spend 35€ for this premium crap. 

Im sorry for these harsh words but i really dont want to accept this [edited]you created with this ship.

[Azalgor]

You talk about Hiryu, it can nullify Shokaku planes easily, and it doesnt have anything needed for tier 9, because it does have tier 9 planes, so same tier (and -2 +1 tier that it can meet) can't do anything about his fighters, because the +10% skill does not apply to the same tier CVs. So the only way to win against him is to avoid his fighters at all costs.

And about WG trolling, is that news to you? Wait until Soviet BB come out, you will be surprised at just how good they are at trolling.

[Tyrendian89]

I've seen exactly one Saipan so far that was even remotely competent enough to hold his own against the Hiryu/Ranger on the opposite team. Saipan is anything but overpowered. If you're consistently getting beaten by them, that's due to a combination of 1) you are unlucky in ONLY meeting the few good Saipan drivers out there, which seems unlikely honestly, and 2) you not playing as well as you could.

[Ictogan]

Hiryu is a really damn strong ship, even against a Saipan. If he's 2-0-2 setup, you can outplay him easily. You won't be able to take all of his fighters down, but his squadrons are small and have little ammunition, so it's easy to keep them away from the torpedo bombers and dive bombers. And even if you go up against a 3-0-1 Saipan, it's easily possible to outplay him due to how little ammunition he has in each squad. Consider your own fighters not as a tool to shoot down planes, but as a sacrifice to keep his planes away from yours. And no need to mention that a Hiryu has much more damage potential than a Saipan.

[Ryuuteimaru]

The few I've have seen have been totally dominating the game they seem to chew though Rangers without any trouble.

[ShockPirat]

because the +10% skill does not apply to the same tier CVs.

 

Every time I read one of your posts I just have to wonder, are you trolling or totally clueless?

Planes have a tier of their own, and the skill takes plane tier into account.

 

Ranger upgraded fighters:

[Elguancho]

If you can manage to shoot Saipans 2 Squads of fighters he has such short reload that he will be in the air at least in the moment your bombers try to sink Saipan and he will shoot all of them. 

@Azalgor why do you try to compare Hiryu fighters with Shokaku fighters? U know the difference in tier? Saipan with 3-0-1 will absolutely keep the air free of planes and Saipans planes have everything from speed up to damage loadout. So in 1 vs 1 u will always get butf*cked by a Saipan. 

Im experienced in playing carrier but i lost 8 vs 1 with hiryu against saipan. The one i won was against a real carriernoob Saipan who i was able to snipe in first strike and who wasted his repairs way too early. But every other match got lost no matter how good i carried my teams. 

 

and be sure: every experienced carrier player will easily carry his team to victory in Saipan.

My Hiryu captain is close to 5th skill. 

Battle result Hiryu with stock fighters vs 3-0-1 Saipan: 9 : 54 so

+10% attack power helps absolutely nothing cuz its same tier. 

 

[Syrchalis]

It's actually really hard to carry in Saipan because you have so limited damage. I've lost a few games today in it, just because of that. If had been in a Hiryu or something with similar/more strike power then I would have hard carried those games quite easily. No matter how good you play, you have only 6 torpedos per attack and since the flooding chance nerfs a few months back you can't count on flooding to maximize your damage.

[vartain]

Saipan is mediocre at best, the only redeeming quality it has is the same as tirpitz's, namely new players buy it and then act as an xp and damage piniata's. If you can't lock down saipan with the same tier carrier, what are you even doing playing cv's at this tier?

[RichardNixon]

It's not doing well on skill-adjusted interval results so far: Equal winrate to the Ranger (and much worse than Hiryu), somewhat worse damage & frags. I'd expect that to drop further, as the Saipan data is more recent than the other ships.

 

Plane kills are higher, but not dominating: It's like Ranger 13.1, Hiryu 15.1, Saipan 17.6 for average tier 7 players.

 

[Ictogan]

If you can manage to shoot Saipans 2 Squads of fighters he has such short reload that he will be in the air at least in the moment your bombers try to sink Saipan and he will shoot all of them. 

@Azalgor why do you try to compare Hiryu fighters with Shokaku fighters? U know the difference in tier? Saipan with 3-0-1 will absolutely keep the air free of planes and Saipans planes have everything from speed up to damage loadout. So in 1 vs 1 u will always get butf*cked by a Saipan. 

Im experienced in playing carrier but i lost 8 vs 1 with hiryu against saipan. The one i won was against a real carriernoob Saipan who i was able to snipe in first strike and who wasted his repairs way too early. But every other match got lost no matter how good i carried my teams. 

 

and be sure: every experienced carrier player will easily carry his team to victory in Saipan.

My Hiryu captain is close to 5th skill. 

Battle result Hiryu with stock fighters vs 3-0-1 Saipan: 9 : 54 so

+10% attack power helps absolutely nothing cuz its same tier. 

 

I think what you're doing wrong is trying to snipe him. Just don't.

[Gefreiter_Fritz]

Saipan 2-2-0 needs a buff if anything. She is not bad, but not better than Ranger on avarage. And Ranger is bad...

 

The point about Saipan is, it brought new life to a stagnating gameplay of CVs in T7 and effectivly the first time to CV gameplay overall! Everyone has to adapt to the new situation, so stop mimimimimimimimiiii and get better!

 

I won against a 3-0-1 Saipan in my 2-2-2Hiryu, its different than fighting a AS Ranger, but the idea is the same. Sacrifice your fighters, hit his fleet and ignore the CV itself...

[aboomination]

....and while you're at it: Nerf Kutuzov ;)

[Syrchalis]

Yeah the Saipan is incredibly hard to snipe.

 

• 33kts speed
• Under 1000m turning circle
• Tiny Ship (!)
• Okay AA
• Fast, powerful, quick reload fighters

 

So just don't. There isn't even a reason to. You snipe CVs because you take out their fighters and they can't deal any damage anymore and usually a CV is a massive damage threat. The Saipan however is not a massive damage threat. Better focus on other ships.

[Hauptbahnhof]

 

I won against a 3-0-1 Saipan in my 2-2-2Hiryu, its different than fighting a AS Ranger, but the idea is the same. Sacrifice your fighters, hit his fleet and ignore the CV itself...

 

I've sniped at least 2 Saipans with 2-2-2 Hiryu easily, but then you kind of gamble on them not being good players ( which as pointed out is true in most of the cases ).

[Elguancho]

now i had my first battle against 5 skill captain Saipan and it was horrible to play. 

i got 1 kill and shot 12 planes but he shot 52 planes and still sunk 2 ships... and if you gotta play a tier 9 battle u dont have much choice which ship to attack while i didnt try to snipe him.

 

[SeaBaer__67]

Elguancho, I recommend checking Aerron's and Flamu's YouTube videos where they play CVs. Maybe this will help you improve your gameplay.

[Syrchalis]

Maybe I should start making Youtube Videos...

[tw53]

....and while you're at it: Nerf Kutuzov ;)

 

Not a good idea because if the keep nerfing the premium people will stop buying them .

[Ryuuteimaru]

This is pretty normal from what I've seen so far.

[aboomination]

 

Not a good idea because if the keep nerfing the premium people will stop buying them .

 

So earning credits and training captains aren't their main selling point anymore? Guess I'm a WoT oldfag then and guess WG would close it's doors if they'd sell 20% less prem ships.

 

[HMS_Worcester]

This is pretty normal from what I've seen so far.

 

I was about to say "well, the Ranger on your team got 2 kills".....and then I realised.

[tw53]

 

So earning credits and training captains aren't their main selling point anymore? Guess I'm a WoT oldfag then and guess WG would close it's doors if they'd sell 20% less prem ships.

 

 

Who wants to buy a ship just so it can be nerfed......I bought the MK because I like what it can do .

[HMS_Worcester]

 

Who wants to buy a ship just so it can be nerfed......I bought the MK because I like what it can do .

 

I bought the MK because I used to have more money than sense....ugh I don't like that ship

[tw53]

 

I bought the MK because I used to have more money than sense....ugh I don't like that ship

 

I feel the same way about HMS Warspite.. lol