Tier 6 & 7 Matchmaker

[Spithas]

Last 1.5 months the Matchmaker for Tier 6 and Tier 7 is simply horrendous.

 

My Tier 6 ships end up 70% of the time in Tier 8 Matches. Same applies for the Tier 7 (though for those ships its less of a problem).

The weird part is that the queue is full of T6 ships often over 50 ships in queue. Yet the MM will have me wait 40 secs to 1.5 mins then dump me in a T8 match.

I always play a good number of matches per day so this isn't the case of "bad luck" or too small sample size. This also happens regardless of me being in division or not.

In general if i play 10 matches in T6 ships 1 will be Top tier, 2 will be Middle tier while the rest will find me bottom tier. Anyone else experiencing this?

[ColonelPete]

How do you know they are Tier VI?

Game does not tell you that.

[Spithas]

How do you know they are Tier VI?

Game does not tell you that.

 

The breakdown of the ships per class you see in the queue list are only ships of the Tier you have selected.

 

I you had ever played T9 or T10 you would have easily realized this.

[ColonelPete]

The game tells you what ships are in range.

[Spithas]

The game tells you what ships are in range.

 

That's the number on the upper right part.

 

If you sum the number of CVs , BBs, CAs and DDs from the breakdown you will see that this number is less than what's listed in the upper right part.

 

As i said before play some Tier 9 and 10 battles you will be in queue with 5 ships in total yet the ships in range will be much more and you will get into a match with 24 ships. That's because the numbers you see over the classes are ONLY ships at the tier of the ship you have selected.

 

The only exception being Divisions. If someone queues up with different tier ships in his division those will all be listed as highest possible tier and will appear in the breakdown of the classes in the queue.

 

Are you done being obstinate now?

[ColonelPete]

Game does not tell you that. That is just your assumption.

[Nargoth73]

The only reason I can give you is the ARP quest line that people are grinding this days. Since they need to be completed in a Tier 7+ ship, there will be more players playing Tier 7+ than normal. Also, the influx of Tirpitz buyers will give you more Tier 8 opponents.

 

Edit: don't feed the troll, it's not worth your time or energy.

[Spithas]

The only reason I can give you is the ARP quest line that people are grinding this days. Since they need to be completed in a Tier 7+ ship, there will be more players playing Tier 7+ than normal. Also, the influx of Tirpitz buyers will give you more Tier 8 opponents.

 

Edit: don't feed the troll, it's not worth your time or energy.

 

I initially had the same thoughts. However seeing the queue having more than enough Tier 6 ships made me wonder... Though i have to admitt the number of BBs at T6 were always low so it might be the Tirpitz spam pulling me up.

[T0byJug]

The only reason I can give you is the ARP quest line that people are grinding this days. Since they need to be completed in a Tier 7+ ship, there will be more players playing Tier 7+ than normal. Also, the influx of Tirpitz buyers will give you more Tier 8 opponents.

 

Edit: don't feed the troll, it's not worth your time or energy.

 

Ninjered! 

 

MM douse seem a bit scewed last patch!

 

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

In my "Colorado" (Tier VII) I constantly find myself in Tier IX / VIII games (games where I am top tiered ship are very very rare)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[T0byJug]

 

I initially had the same thoughts. However seeing the queue having more than enough Tier 6 ships made me wonder... Though i have to admitt the number of BBs at T6 were always low so it might be the Tirpitz spam pulling me up.

Not sure you are correct with you view on knowing the tier!!!!! 

 

But if there are 100 Tier 6 in que as you say it more than enough for match but if at same time there are 3000 Tier 7 and 8! Well you will get a lot of tier 8 games.  I for one have not been playing much tier 6. so have not seen your issue.

 

[Nargoth73]

Hi all,

 

In my "Colorado" (Tier VII) I constantly find myself in Tier IX / VIII games (games where I am top tiered ship are very very rare)...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

Funny, I have the same feeling. However, the last couple of days I am beginning to get more Tier 5-7 games in my 'Rado. I still suck in it, of course.

[T0byJug]

 

Funny, I have the same feeling. However, the last couple of days I am beginning to get more Tier 5-7 games in my 'Rado. I still suck in it, of course.

 

Kind of supports the theory of ARP missions then as more people are finishing them! Expect it to get worse again next week. Last week of mission panic will set in on those that have not finished it! or determination on those that did not try thinking it to hard but realised they are quit close to the goals

[Spithas]

This is in the patch notes for 5.4.3: (Don't know how it relates to the situation i have described in the OP)

 

• Single cruiser match making has been enabled for mid-Tier, queue waiting time decreased
  
   

[Agantas]

This is in the patch notes for 5.4.3: (Don't know how it relates to the situation i have described in the OP)

 

• Single cruiser match making has been enabled for mid-Tier, queue waiting time decreased

   

   

 

Almost had a single-cruiser game as my  last game in Aoba. There was a Fuso on our side in addition to the cruisers in the game.

[creamgravy]

Tier 7-8 battleships are the most popular class on the EU server followed by Tier 5-7 cruisers.

 

There's quite a good chance a tier 6 ship will end up in a tier 8 game.

 

[Needy_Game]

cant remember the last time i was top tier in my Myoko, and its the same in the Hipper, i always end up in a T9/10 Match.

it may have to do with forcing more experienced player into higher tier to let the potato's have their fun at mid tiers, but thats my hypothesis 

[warsinger2]

Fun fact, I can play with my T VI NM at around midnight GMT+1 and get a TV-VI match without much delay. If I play at around 7-8 p.m. I get T VI-VIII fairly often.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

I am seeing something similar.

 

Patch 0.5.3 nerfed cruisers quite strongly (which many people feel needed to be done -> a separate discussion). I have been collecting data on my games in tier 4-6 cruisers since the patch in order to see the effects of the nerfs on my performance.

 

There is an interesting pattern. The matchmaking seems to be different for cruisers where I was doing LESS than average damage before 0.5.3, compared to cruisers where I was doing MORE than average damage.

 

Pre 0.5.3 performance	Top tier %	Mid tier %	Bottom tier %
Less than average	39	25	36
More than average	25	19	56

 

 

[Spithas]

I am seeing something similar.

 

Patch 0.5.3 nerfed cruisers quite strongly (which many people feel needed to be done -> a separate discussion). I have been collecting data on my games in tier 4-6 cruisers since the patch in order to see the effects of the nerfs on my performance.

 

There is an interesting pattern. The matchmaking seems to be different for cruisers where I was doing LESS than average damage before 0.5.3, compared to cruisers where I was doing MORE than average damage.

 

Pre 0.5.3 performance	Top tier %	Mid tier %	Bottom tier %
Less than average	39	25	36
More than average	25	19	56

 

 

I hate conspiracy theories as much as any logical person but basically if this is right we are being punished for playing well... 

 

What is the sample size for these numbers? 

 

The interesting part is that my T6 MM very rought numbers match yours... only 30% as top tier. I am curious if this is a side effect of the anti seal clubbing mechanic they introduced to the Matchmaker some time ago...

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

The game tells you what ships are in range.

 

How do you know they are Tier VI?
Game does not tell you that.

 

have you played this game at alL?

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

I hate conspiracy theories as much as any logical person but basically if this is right we are being punished for playing well... 

 

What is the sample size for these numbers?

 

219 games (if I include the games in new Russian cruisers) . I did not include the Russians in the posted stats - but THEY FULLY CONFORM TO THE QUOTED PATTERN.

e.g I got my record kills in one Budyonyy game, and my record damage in another Budyonny game. My games in this ship have been  Top Tier(10),  Mid Tier(2),  Bottom Tier(16).

After making a very good start in Budyonny, I was bottom tier in 12 of the last 17 games in her - mostly tier 8 games.

 

This matchmaking has been driving me nuts lately. I am not good enough to cope with being bottom tier any more than my "fair share".

[Spithas]

 

219 games (if I include the games in new Russian cruisers) . I did not include the Russians in the posted stats - but THEY FULLY CONFORM TO THE QUOTED PATTERN.

e.g I got my record kills in one Budyonyy game, and my record damage in another Budyonny game. My games in this ship have been  Top Tier(10),  Mid Tier(2),  Bottom Tier(16).

After making a very good start in Budyonny, I was bottom tier in 12 of the last 17 games in her - mostly tier 8 games.

 

This matchmaking has been driving me nuts lately. I am not good enough to cope with being bottom tier any more than my "fair share".

 

That is a very solid sample size. It is exactly the same for me.

 

I noticed it because it just happened i grinded Cleveland - Nurnberg - Budyoni all at the same time.

 

And it's not a matter of skill mate, Tier 6 Cruisers simply cannot carry as much in Tier 8 games no matter how good one is.

 

If this is intentionally done so by Wargaming it's really bad play on their part.

[anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl]

personally i've been messing around on NA and i encountered T8/T9 battleships more than T6-T7 battleships when i grinded T6/T7 battleships

 

thought it was because of NA's low population but it seems to be an issue here as well so WG is definitely doing something with mm

 

 

[__Katniss__]

MM works fine, you just need to use all his functionalities.

This is good example. 3x tier 9 or 3x tier 7 in div have much better MM, than solo or 2x in div. I played Baltimore in 3x div and from 30 games I had 1-2 times tier 10 game. When I tried to play solo or 2x div always tier 10 match. 

I prefer the only one 100% working solution. Play tier 10 

Btw. i think tier 6 shouldnt be in game with lot of tier 8 ships and same for tier 8 in tier 10 games. Its better for players who prefer to play tier 10 cause of tier 8 are mostly just free dmg for them. I like it this way but its painful to grind any new ships because of that... WG knows how to make players angry more than anyone else