Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #1 Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) http://wowreplays.com/Replay/4052-Trigger_Happy_Dad-Bogue-Fault-Line http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/48862-molotov/page__pid__970216#entry970216 Edited April 16, 2016 by Trigger_Happy_Dad 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S4h3L Players 1,593 posts 8,797 battles Report post #2 Posted April 16, 2016 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lin3 Players 746 posts Report post #3 Posted April 16, 2016 Does it have a particularly high fire chance when firing "HE"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #4 Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Does it have a particularly high fire chance when firing "HE"? Current stats that I can see say 13%, same as Kirov (They have the same guns, except this gets better reload of 10 seconds, so it's kinda like the Russian Aoba and it has a faster projectile speed, so the arc is likely to be different). Bear in mind that's subject to change until it's for sale. Also, AP damage is currently increased by 300 for Molotoz compared to Kiroz (so 4400 for a Citadel hit). Edited April 16, 2016 by StuntMan0369 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meneleus Players 596 posts 7,522 battles Report post #5 Posted April 16, 2016 Current stats that I can see say 13%, same as Kirov (They have the same guns, except this gets better reload of 10 seconds, so it's kinda like the Russian Aoba and it has a faster projectile speed, so the arc is likely to be different). Bear in mind that's subject to change until it's for sale. Also, AP damage is currently increased by 300 for Molotoz compared to Kiroz (so 4400 for a Citadel hit). So it is basically a Kirov with rail guns and 6 shots pm? Sounds decent enough. Curious if the range and hp pool will be any different. Cheers, M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #6 Posted April 16, 2016 So it is basically a Kirov with rail guns and 6 shots pm? Sounds decent enough. Curious if the range and hp pool will be any different. Cheers, M *sound* like a ridiculously powerful glass cannon to me, let's see how it will turn out to actually *be* - that might still be completely different! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #7 Posted April 16, 2016 It has a little shorter range Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #8 Posted April 16, 2016 It has a little shorter range ^This. Molotov currently has 15.5km range, compared to Kirov's 16.3km. It is also half a knot quicker than Kirov and it's detection range is a whole km shorter for a detection range of 13.14km. Health is currently 28.4k for Molotov, 2.2k higher than Kirov. The secondaries also have an extra half km in range but for a 0.25sec longer reload. It does have poor AA though, base range of 3.5km and pretty poor damage, most of the damage is on the 2.5km and 2km guns, but even then it's not impressive. I kinda like the stats of this ship, I wouldn't mind paying money for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #9 Posted April 16, 2016 Hmmm,seems like me i would say,same map. Good game in that CV btw,46 plane kills is always a relief for the team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #10 Posted April 16, 2016 (edited) Hmmm,seems like me i would say,same map. Good game in that CV btw,46 plane kills is always a relief for the team Yup, it was you. ;) (see replay file) Thx for the kind comment. :-) Edited April 16, 2016 by Trigger_Happy_Dad 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #11 Posted April 16, 2016 I must say this is the first premium ship since long time that do interest me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xerkics Beta Tester 1,218 posts Report post #12 Posted April 16, 2016 If its just a better Kirov at tier 6 doesnt it make it much worse than Budyniy which has actual armour? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #13 Posted April 16, 2016 If its just a better Kirov at tier 6 doesnt it make it much worse than Budyniy which has actual armour? not necessarily - if it has the same kind of railgun arcs that Buddy gets (which, since someone said something about better shell velocity, it might?) those 9x180mm fast firing guns become VERY VERY scary. I mean, it's still gonna be a total glass cannon, but it's not like that fact would stop the Kutuzov for example from being very powerful... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[__] Kais_S012 Beta Tester 742 posts 1,694 battles Report post #14 Posted April 16, 2016 What are the Molotovs torpedo values? WG has a habit of making its torpedoes on its premium Putinite ships excessive compared to its silver lines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #15 Posted April 16, 2016 What are the Molotovs torpedo values? WG has a habit of making its torpedoes on its premium Putinite ships excessive compared to its silver lines As of right now, they are identical to Kirov's torps, just 1 knot faster (still 4km range, so it makes almost no difference). I think they also have a couple of degrees better angle at the front, but only by 2 or 3 degrees. not necessarily - if it has the same kind of railgun arcs that Buddy gets (which, since someone said something about better shell velocity, it might?) those 9x180mm fast firing guns become VERY VERY scary. I mean, it's still gonna be a total glass cannon, but it's not like that fact would stop the Kutuzov for example from being very powerful... Well, to give actual values for those guns, it has a projectile speed of 925, a shell weight of 97.5 and krupp values of 1 and 2370 for HE and AP respectively. Now, I'm not gonna pretend to understand how this all formulates the arc, I'll leave that to the people who do. What I do know is that the projectile speed is 125 higher than Kirov (800), so take that as you will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xerkics Beta Tester 1,218 posts Report post #16 Posted April 16, 2016 not necessarily - if it has the same kind of railgun arcs that Buddy gets (which, since someone said something about better shell velocity, it might?) those 9x180mm fast firing guns become VERY VERY scary. I mean, it's still gonna be a total glass cannon, but it's not like that fact would stop the Kutuzov for example from being very powerful... Well Bud guns also very fast firing if they are still 180 mm hopefully they arent as fast firing as B which means hopefully its still a better ship. WIth B i like it but its very reliant on your team compared to playing BB . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #17 Posted April 16, 2016 Well Bud guns also very fast firing if they are still 180 mm hopefully they arent as fast firing as B which means hopefully its still a better ship. WIth B i like it but its very reliant on your team compared to playing BB . the original Kirov's guns, despite their only decent fire rate and rather lazy arcs, are more than good enough for T5 - so removing both of those weaknesses might just make Molotov's guns the best cruiser guns at her tier. Now, I'm definitely not saying that the ship will be OP even if it sets sail with these exact stats! We'll have to see the actual arcs and get a feel for the penetrative power ourselves since I don't think there's anyone who understands the formulas at work well enough to judge that accurately and reliably just from then numbers, and even if the guns turn out to be the best she'd still be lacking in other departments (hello Yamato level turning circle and armour that makes Nürnberg look tanky) - but they'd make her a potentially VERY fun ship to play. Colour me intrigued! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #18 Posted April 16, 2016 the original Kirov's guns, despite their only decent fire rate and rather lazy arcs, are more than good enough for T5 - so removing both of those weaknesses might just make Molotov's guns the best cruiser guns at her tier. Now, I'm definitely not saying that the ship will be OP even if it sets sail with these exact stats! We'll have to see the actual arcs and get a feel for the penetrative power ourselves since I don't think there's anyone who understands the formulas at work well enough to judge that accurately and reliably just from then numbers, and even if the guns turn out to be the best she'd still be lacking in other departments (hello Yamato level turning circle and armour that makes Nürnberg look tanky) - but they'd make her a potentially VERY fun ship to play. Colour me intrigued! Yep, totally agree with you here. It sounds fun, and tier 6 is a very fun tier to play in general, so it already has a lot of good going for it. Just to add on here some additional info (I forgot to check this) - Molotoz does get Defensive AA Fire like other tier 6 cruisers. However, since it's long-range AA aura only has a DPS of 17 at 3.5km, I don't see it being all too effective (Maybe with a high level captain with AFT and Manual AA fire it could work? But I'd rather take the demo expert to buff their fire chance). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #19 Posted April 16, 2016 Yep, totally agree with you here. It sounds fun, and tier 6 is a very fun tier to play in general, so it already has a lot of good going for it. Just to add on here some additional info (I forgot to check this) - Molotoz does get Defensive AA Fire like other tier 6 cruisers. However, since it's long-range AA aura only has a DPS of 17 at 3.5km, I don't see it being all too effective (Maybe with a high level captain with AFT and Manual AA fire it could work? But I'd rather take the demo expert to buff their fire chance). Defensive AA fire on any T6 cruiser except Cleve isn't as much about killing more planes as it is about the panic anyway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #20 Posted April 16, 2016 Defensive AA fire on any T6 cruiser except Cleve isn't as much about killing more planes as it is about the panic anyway... True, and seeing as this thing doesn't get a fighter plane, it might be worth having... I don't know, I might have to experiment between that and Hydro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,536 battles Report post #21 Posted April 16, 2016 Hi all, I saw her yesterday in my "Colorado"... she killed 4 of our ships until I sunk her (my 4th kill as well)... unfortunately my team still lost... Leo "Apollo11" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #22 Posted April 16, 2016 it has the guns Donskoi gets at tier 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #23 Posted April 16, 2016 it has the guns Donskoi gets at tier 9 which, as my Hindenburg found out recently, HURT. That thing straight up outbrawled me, although I did derp a bit and forgot it's only the Moskva that didnt have torps - but he'd done more gun damage to me than I to him at that point iirc. Holicarp this ship might be a real powerhouse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #24 Posted April 16, 2016 it has the guns Donskoi gets at tier 9 Good spot, almost identical besides the reload (12.5 on the tier 9 for 4 turrets, 10 for Molotov with 3). So to compare, The Molotov manages 54 shells a minute, the Tier 9 can do 57.6 shells a minute. Surprisingly close in that regard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #25 Posted April 16, 2016 If it doesn't have better manueverability than Kirov, I won't bother considering it. I don't find it funny to be obliterated by BBs 'cause you're too slugghish to evade their salvoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
