sapan is a discrace

[killthemall123]

ok been playing wow since the start and thought the game was pretty good .until the sapan appeared.now I no its a premium but this is a joke .I have worked hard to get to hiryu and did not mind the usa planes being a little better but this is well out off order.the sapan just wipes out all my planes in the first 2 min off the game.it has happened 3 times now.i know you going to say it must just be the way I play but I have had lots a ac battles.you have totally gone over the top with this carrier..

[AgarwaenME]

moar hyperbole! MOAR!!

[txtspeak]

lol wat is sapan?

[Shaka_D]

OP has OD'd on OP hyperbole. Sapan is alphabetically further down the tree than Japan, which sadly has no reference to what the OP is talking about but worth mentioning anyways. I had all my Saipan planes wiped out by a very very good Hiryu player last night, so badly that I quit the game in a rage of disgust and was tempted to put a crybaby post on the forums. Then I swallowed my pride and realised I was outwitted and outplayed and strove to get better at CV's. OP should do the same.

[Azalgor]

If i heard correctly, in one of the revies it was said that Saipan has tier 9 planes, so no surprise that its fighters rape every CV it may come across. Pay to win air superioity.

[AgarwaenME]

If i heard correctly, in one of the revies it was said that Saipan has tier 9 planes, so no surprise that its fighters rape every CV it may come across. Pay to win air superioity.

 

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[Doerte]

Sorry, had to stop reading mid-post because of danger of an imminent brain-shutdown. Think I still got the memo.
So far I played around 12+ games with Sa(i)pan. It never stood out in a particular way. Half of those matches I was in game with a Div-mate. playing it. He said, it was fun and a good CV.

But that said: He is at least "very good" with pretty much any CV.
So I really cannot confirm, what you said. Never felt extraordinary. And that feeling is called "balance". (duh!) 

 

Because I'm nosy and you started this topic, I glanced over your stats. Seems your CV results are average. Keep in mind, that those 62+% CV-lovers are more likely, to buy premium-CV. Therefore you are more lilkely to be matched up against one of those dudes in your T7 CV. 
If you are not one of those great CV-freaks yourself (and you ain't) you'll likely get stomped. With our without Sapan, Japan, Satan... whatever 

So dry your tears and get used to asking your team for support!
I'd also try to be less dramatic than you were in this post. Might help, too.

[Tyrendian89]

 

"I read one line in a review and ignored the context"

 

or, in other words, it's an Azalgor whine post...

[Mayv]

 

or, in other words, it's an Azalgor whine post...

 

FTFY

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

ok been playing wow since the start and thought the game was pretty good .until the sapan appeared.now I no its a premium but this is a joke .I have worked hard to get to hiryu and did not mind the usa planes being a little better but this is well out off order.the sapan just wipes out all my planes in the first 2 min off the game.it has happened 3 times now.i know you going to say it must just be the way I play but I have had lots a ac battles.you have totally gone over the top with this carrier..

 

What's the problem? Don't play Hiryu so Sapan won't be able to wipe out your planes.

[Azalgor]

Whine post...I read one line in a post and ignore the context...Sure, say what you like, if you cant correct me on something, then you havent even looked it up yourselves. I've seen it take out tier 8 CVs squads hands down. Giving it tier 9 planes to abuse lower and higher tier fighters and squads in a equal dogfight aint balance, but rather onesided, only if RNG says otherwise. Sure, you can avoid fighting his planes, and taking he has less planes, you can delete him in Hiryu or Ranger rather easy, but his fighters should not be taken lightly.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

Use Dogfighting Expert....

 

 

Hiryu: tier 7 fighters

 

Saipan: tier 9 fighters

 

;)

 

Also - lure enemy planes to allied ships with good AA....and use the STRAFING ability of your fighters....

[Littlerift]

While the Saipan might have a brilliant anti-aircraft loadout, isn't its strike loadout kind of rubbish? So yeah, it might crush the enemy's carrier but other than that what can it do?

[Andwary]

shamefull display?

[StuntMan0369]

While the Saipan might have a brilliant anti-aircraft loadout, isn't its strike loadout kind of rubbish? So yeah, it might crush the enemy's carrier but other than that what can it do?

 

It's either one 8 plane DB squad (with 1000lb bombs, unlike the regular tier 7 500lb bombs) or two TB squads with only 3 planes each (They launch the same torpedo, but since Ranger only ever has 1 squadron of torps max, you launch the same number of torps but in 2 squadrons, so multi-angle attack is viable).

[Nechrom]

[Tirande]

Well Saipan IS a disgrace; it's the worst piece of trash I've seen.

[Enkidu69]

Use Dogfighting Expert....

 

 

Hiryu: tier 7 fighters

 

Saipan: tier 9 fighters

 

;)

 

Also - lure enemy planes to allied ships with good AA....and use the STRAFING ability of your fighters....

 

That's not how it works. This skill only does anything if your fighters are fighting higher tier.

[robihr]

 

That's not how it works. This skill only does anything if your fighters are fighting higher tier.

 

it is how it works. unless skill description is wrong...

 

btw first in the line of whine threads i expect ppl will whine that saipan is OP or UP

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

That's not how it works. This skill only does anything if your fighters are fighting higher tier.

 

Tier 7 Hiryu fighters vs tier 9 Saipan fighters.... ;) 

 

"10% to combat preformance of fighters for each tier of difference between them"

 

 

[SBS]

Funny, I had a game yesterday where a Saipan got it's planes wrecked in the first few min of a game. 

 

Are you sure it has something to do with the ship (though it is mediocre), and not the captain?

[Shaka_D]

Funny, I had a game yesterday where a Saipan got it's planes wrecked in the first few min of a game. 

 

Are you sure it has something to do with the ship (though it is mediocre), and not the captain?

 

This sounds like me...Hiryu wrecked my fighters in seconds, 3 squadrons gone to tier 9 heaven. Oh what, oh what, oh what a noob I was.

[StuntMan0369]

Tier 7 Hiryu fighters vs tier 9 Saipan fighters.... ;) 

 

^ It should be true. Saipan uses Vought F4U-4 fighters, the exact same found on an upgraded Essex. Now, whether the plane's tier is tied to the plane itself or the carrier is another question. If it's based on the plane, the skill should give +20% performance boost to regular tier 7 fighters. If it is based on the carrier, then there will be no buff. Would be nice to have some official conformation on that. The DB's and TB's are unique though - Douglas AD-1's and AD-2's - so I don't see a buff to them despite them having tier 9 like stats

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

^ It should be true. Saipan uses Vought F4U-4 fighters, the exact same found on an upgraded Essex. Now, whether the plane's tier is tied to the plane itself or the carrier is another question. If it's based on the plane, the skill should give +20% performance boost to regular tier 7 fighters. If it is based on the carrier, then there will be no buff. Would be nice to have some official conformation on that. The DB's and TB's are unique though - Douglas AD-1's and AD-2's - so I don't see a buff to them despite them having tier 9 like stats

 

It says specifically in the plane information that they are T9. Can't get much more clear than that.

So Dogfighting Expert will certainly work against Saipan.

 

That said, it is still a 3 point skill that is only useful for that tier. For all other tiers it is as bad as ever.

[cicir0x]

Some minutes ago in the same match while using Saipan, i lost the first time against 6x T6 Fighters vs 6x T9 Fighters (4x enemy Fighters alive) and the second one 4x T7 Fighters vs 3x T9 Fighters (1x enemy Fighters alive). All this with Fighters upgrades, commander skills and without enemy AA cover.