Tier 10 disappointment

[bignewy]

Hi all

 

So I got to tier ten, and using the Zao, great I thought all that grinding will finally pay off, I was wrong.

 

Tier 10 is just a credit sink hole designed to make it unprofitable without having premium, you can win a match and survive and still lose credits, after playing and enjoying WOW and looking forward to tier 10 I am disappointed.  

 

Has it always been this way?

[HMS_Worcester]

I have to be honest I was pretty disappointed when I reached tier 9-10 in CBT. That is why I have not bothered rushing since OBT started. I find the game is more interesting at tier 4-8.

 

[Lightbaron]

Imo the Senjo (Zao's old name) is one of the most enjoyable t10 ships to play.

 

It's true that t10 is a credit sink and to get some credits out of it without premium you need at least 100k damage if not more.

Also while I enjoy playing Senjo it's true that the mid-tiers, especially 5-8 are just much better because people camp less and play more agressive (excluding some excessive camper individuals) which makes the game more fun to play for me at those tiers.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Hi all

 

So I got to tier ten, and using the Zao, great I thought all that grinding will finally pay off, I was wrong.

 

Tier 10 is just a credit sink hole designed to make it unprofitable without having premium, you can win a match and survive and still lose credits, after playing and enjoying WOW and looking forward to tier 10 I am disappointed.  

 

Has it always been this way?

 

Hah. It can be like this on T9 as well.

In fact just tonight I was in my Izumo, did 110k damage to cruisers mostly, topped my team (victory), survived and lost 4k credits (and then another 60ish k from consumables). Admittedly it wasn't a brilliant game, as I didn't go out there and just deleted ships left and right, but it was still the best of all ship in that battle.

[Mayv]

 

Has it always been this way?

 

Yes. However WG are testing 20% lower repair costs on tiers 8-10 on the RU and NA servers for the rest of this month. So we might see a reduction in the future.

[Xerkics]

I prefer playing tier 4-6 matches to my tier 8 ships so i cant imagine its any different to tier 10 as i see tier 10 ships every so often they are very impressive to be sure but lower tier games on medium sized maps are more fun i think.

[Panocek]

Hi all

 

So I got to tier ten, and using the Zao, great I thought all that grinding will finally pay off, I was wrong.

 

Tier 10 is just a credit sink hole designed to make it unprofitable without having premium, you can win a match and survive and still lose credits, after playing and enjoying WOW and looking forward to tier 10 I am disappointed.  

 

Has it always been this way?

 

Yes, its always been this way since WoT inception. Simply to prevent people from playing top tiers constantly, otherwise low/midtiers would suffer player shortages.

Although in tanks its easier to come up with positive balance without premium

[bignewy]

bignewy, on 14 April 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

Hi all

 

So I got to tier ten, and using the Zao, great I thought all that grinding will finally pay off, I was wrong.

 

Tier 10 is just a credit sink hole designed to make it unprofitable without having premium, you can win a match and survive and still lose credits, after playing and enjoying WOW and looking forward to tier 10 I am disappointed.  

 

Has it always been this way?

 

Hah. It can be like this on T9 as well.

In fact just tonight I was in my Izumo, did 110k damage to cruisers mostly, topped my team (victory), survived and lost 4k credits (and then another 60ish k from consumables). Admittedly it wasn't a brilliant game, as I didn't go out there and just deleted ships left and right, but it was still the best of all ship in that battle.

You are doing better than me, I skipped the Izumo and went back to my amagi, hated the Izumo that much I was prepared to free XP it lol

bignewy, on 14 April 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

 

Has it always been this way?

 

Yes. However WG are testing 20% lower repair costs on tiers 8-10 on the RU and NA servers for the rest of this month. So we might see a reduction in the future.

Good to know Zombie, maybe some light at the end of the tunnel, currently tier 10 is just not fun, and not worth the credits.

[TopDawg]

I am sticking to mid tiers I find the games more fun

[KaraMon]

Zao ? Credit sink? You crazy? It's mada faka moneymaking machine even without premium.  IF you can;t make money in Zao you clearly use it wrong .

[jonasnee]

ah yes the tier 10s

 

i got a hakuryu if i die i basically lose money even if i kill 30+ planes 3 ships and do over 130k damage and that is with a premium account, i could barely imagine how hard it would be without 1.

[HMS_Worcester]

I remember during CBT when I got to the Iowa, I was not a big fan of the battles or the ships. But I felt I had to get to the Montana just to try her. I played with the Montana for about a week before deciding I was much happier with the BBs around 6/7/8.

 

The only way I will go up to tier 9/10 now will be when the the KM BBs and the RN arrive purely because I want to collect all those ships.

[N00b32]

The only way I will go up to tier 9/10 now will be when the the KM BBs and the RN arrive purely because I want to collect all those ships.

 

I don't know. The KM will be blueprint as always and I bet RN will also have a blueprint ship. The iconic ship spot seems to be T VIII with a very questionable scaling decision that practically prevents the iconic US BBs to get premium because they should be T IX. 

[HMS_Worcester]

 

I don't know. The KM will be blueprint as always and I bet RN will also have a blueprint ship. The iconic ship spot seems to be T VIII with a very questionable scaling decicion that practically prevents the iconic US BBs to get premium because they should be T IX. 

 

Good point with the KM ships, I will wait until we know what the tree will be before making a concrete decision. But with the RN, I will try and own all of them even if they are paper ships.....because RN.

[Admiral_noodle]

For me at the moment high tiers are just ships I have sitting in port. Not motivated to play high tiers at the moment. For me the gameplay is less fun. I wouldn't mind the credit sink of the battles if the hands were awesome. But awesomeness seems to be around tier V and VI

[Jethro_Grey]

It rarely happens that i lose coin at T IX in my BBs, Iowa and even more so the Izumo are awesome ships.

It's T X were i lose lots of credits with my Yamato, which i recently unlocked. Granted, i need to get used to that ship and i play too aggresively, but i was surprised that even good games yield little to no profit.

 

The economy however, is not what bothers me at those tiers. 

It's the playstyle 95% of the players seem to employ, this game of chicken with long range sniping and clusterfucking near a border or base is annoying and boring as hell.

Blaming that on the economy is -while it is true that the econmy sucks at T X - a rather poor excuse for this kind of playstyle.

At the lower tiers you'll get pasted with credits in a halfway decent game, so this excuse just doesn't work.

 

Consider these players themselfs as some kind of elite? "I'm now t X, the lower tiers are so beneath me to farm credites there" - 'cause that's the impression i have.

In my 5th or 6th game in my Yamato, i decided to play her like i play most of my BBs, very aggresive with a "in your face" kind of playstyle.

I announce where i'm going, ask for support and then i steam off. Sometimes it works, i do decent amount of damage before going down, most of the time it does not.

The team stays back or moves near a Border while the DDs spam Torps in the vague hope to hit someone.

The Cruisers seem to be floating arty platforms that spam HE at long range at BBs, completely ignoring DDs.

 

There are however the exceptions:

Out of the 30+ games i had, only a handfull were profitable coinwise, and in only 5 the team pushed with me, DDs laying smoke for the BBS, CAs burning down Shimas - in those games we basically curbstomped the opposition, despite walls of torps and tanking Yamatos.

It's sad that these kinda games are the exception considering the cicumstances, not to mention the skill lot of players have and yet still decide to play the game of chicken and sit back near a border.

 

As it is now, i will stick with my aggresive playstyle, despite getting sunk very often very early in the game and hope, that at least one out of ten games is rewarding as the ones mentioned above.

The majority of games i'll play will be at the lower Tiers (3-8) however, where the game of chicken playstyle is less prominent.

[bignewy]

Good points.

 

I think for now I will stick to my tier 8 Amagi no problems making some credits, even though the Zao is a great ship and is more than capable the way wargaming have this tier balanced is wrong, and takes the fun out of the game.

 

If it is not fun there is no point playing it?

[Gojuadorai]

tier 5 - tier 8 are fun

 

tier 9 and tier 10 are just for a occasional match to spice things up

so i dont bother to actively grind beyond tier 8

 

[FaceFisted]

It is almost impossible to play anything above tier 7 without premium.

 

Check out my stats, I am not a bad player and I know how to make a profit, but when you take into consideration that you HAVE to buy premium repair, camo and maybe some other consumables, you just can't play anything above tier 7. On tier 7 it's credit loss for lost game, no profit on average game and mediocre profit for win. Playing without premium consumables above tier 8 will leave you in great disadvantage. This is the exact reason why players play so... "carefully" (I don't want to use some more appropriate words) in tiers 8+ and this is the main reason why those tiers are just not fun. And I won't even start on DD infestation in high tiers that make the game completely unplayable.

 

So this is what I did - I sold those high tier ships and re-bought tier 7's. It is again enjoyable to play.

[Risalan]

Imagine a world where those with less than 1000 battles who have more than one tier X dont lose money playing tier X. It would be like living in hell. If you're good enough to play hight tiers you will not lose money if you're not you will be punished. That's the way it sould be.

[HMS_Worcester]

Good points.

 

I think for now I will stick to my tier 8 Amagi no problems making some credits, even though the Zao is a great ship and is more than capable the way wargaming have this tier balanced is wrong, and takes the fun out of the game.

 

If it is not fun there is no point playing it?

That has always been my attitude to video games.

[Risalan]

It is almost impossible to play anything above tier 7 without premium.

 

Check out my stats, I am not a bad player and I know how to make a profit, but when you take into consideration that you HAVE to buy premium repair, camo and maybe some other consumables, you just can't play anything above tier 7. On tier 7 it's credit loss for lost game, no profit on average game and mediocre profit for win. Playing without premium consumables above tier 8 will leave you in great disadvantage. This is the exact reason why players play so... "carefully" (I don't want to use some more appropriate words) in tiers 8+ and this is the main reason why those tiers are just not fun. And I won't even start on DD infestation in high tiers that make the game completely unplayable.

 

So this is what I did - I sold those high tier ships and re-bought tier 7's. It is again enjoyable to play.

I never use premium consumables, if you're a medium player you don't need it. At the end of the day you will not lose money.

[bignewy]

You must be awesome  Risalan us casual players are obviously not worthy for tier 10

 

 

[XbodzioXplX]

Yes I had the same hopes for T10 - great, powerfull battles on mighty ships. 

The high post battle repair is one thing.

 

I dislike T10 battles because its more static (I'm not talking about good positioning and not rushing, but most of the team just wait in one place).

And if there is some Shimas... well... ships are all over the map's border. Its more like avoiding the torps then fighting each other.

 

 

[__Katniss__]

Do you wanna play tier 10 without premium ? Just grind some credits in lower tiers. Problem solved. Tier 10 is not for making credits without premium and it supposed to stay that way like it is. Just bring even more brainless " players " in tier 10 cause is really cheap to play there.  Actually, it could be interesting, so WG lets do it