[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #1 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) USS Robin was a carrier that technically never was, and I think it would make for a nice premium carrier for the US tech tree. USS Robin was technically, HMS Victorious loaned to the US Navy, it's hull repainted as not to confuse it as a Japanese Warship, and certainly would be a decent ship as a US Carrier. The ship is an Illustrious class Aircraft Carrier, and was able to carry up to 57 Aircraft, with a reasonable AA Armament. She operated in the pacific alongside USS Saratoga, after being refitted at the Norfolk Naval Yard in January 1943 and it's later arrival in Pearl Harbour in March 1943 where she received a complement of F4F Wildcat and TBF Avenger Torpedo Bombers with the addition of more close range defence weapons. She would also be the only Premium ship ingame for the USN Tree to operate with a US Captain and Royal Navy ensign. Edited April 13, 2016 by Commodore_Ahsoka_Tano 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNAF] HMS_Worcester Beta Tester 1,609 posts Report post #2 Posted April 13, 2016 Interesting idea, like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #3 Posted April 13, 2016 LOL. Was just about to say she looks british Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #4 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Edited April 13, 2016 by Commodore_Ahsoka_Tano Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNAF] HMS_Worcester Beta Tester 1,609 posts Report post #5 Posted April 13, 2016 Her and Saratoga is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #6 Posted April 13, 2016 Her and Saratoga is it? Yep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNAF] HMS_Worcester Beta Tester 1,609 posts Report post #7 Posted April 13, 2016 Yep. Really nice pics, really nice ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #8 Posted April 13, 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #9 Posted April 13, 2016 Source of the ship, quite a good read http://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allessandaro Players 54 posts 2,645 battles Report post #10 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Why not just have it as HMS Victorius? It never served as USS Robin, was always HMS Victorius, even when in US service. USS Robin was simply a code name. Ships crew was always British, just the Air crew was US. Also always flew the White Ensign. My father served on her in the 60s as a junior officer. Would hate to see her in US tree. Edited April 13, 2016 by Allessandaro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #11 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Why not just have it as HMS Victorius? It never served as USS Robin, was always HMS Victorius, even when in US service. USS Robin was simply a code name. Ships crew was always British, just the Air crew was US. Also always flew the White Ensign. My father served on her in the 60s as a junior officer. Would hate to see her in US tree. I wouldn't mind her in the US tree tbh. USS Robin may have been a codename but it was still technically loaned to the US Navy, with a mixed USN/FAA Air Crew. As a US Premium, she would be the only ship in game with an Ensign that is not of the respective nation tree. She would also have a US Captain, even though in reality the captain was British. It also used US Aircraft Signalling rather than British and operated as part of a US Task Force along with the Saratoga. Edited April 13, 2016 by Commodore_Ahsoka_Tano Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestyII Players 335 posts 3,365 battles Report post #12 Posted April 13, 2016 Would make a better British premium with USN aircraft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Tuccy [WG] WG Staff, Alpha Tester 3,516 posts 11,627 battles Report post #13 Posted April 13, 2016 Heh, half wanted to include her in April 1st but we were afraid it would be a tar, feathers, torches and pitchforks time in such case Guess it might be safer to try to have regular British ships out first In any case, the story of USS Robin is interesting, as is her contribution to something that was not that advanced in 1942 US Navy - ground-controlled interception of enemy and generally fighter direction that relied strongly on experienced individual commanders. Cooperation with "Robin" led the US to adopt / modify the Royal Navy system, to great effect. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[110] SeaMonsterUK [110] Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 4,379 posts Report post #14 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) In any case, the story of USS Robin is interesting, as is her contribution to something that was not that advanced in 1942 US Navy - ground-controlled interception of enemy and generally fighter direction that relied strongly on experienced individual commanders. Cooperation with "Robin" led the US to adopt / modify the Royal Navy system, to great effect. This is why I think it should be in the US tree, but keeping true to History with keeping it's Royal Navy Ensign. But I do agree, RN Tech Tree first Edited April 13, 2016 by Commodore_Ahsoka_Tano Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #15 Posted April 13, 2016 Tier 7 would probably work best. 54 planes - 36 Fighters - 18 Torpedo bombers - 2/1/0 Setup. - 6 Planes in each. 8 x 2 QF 4.5"/45 Mk III, 6 x 8 2pdr Mk VIII, 2 x 4 40mm Bofors, 2 x 2 40mm Bofors, 25 x 1 20mm Oerlikon, 10 x 2 20mm Oerlikon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] ShockPirat Beta Tester 814 posts 27,543 battles Report post #16 Posted April 13, 2016 Heh, half wanted to include her in April 1st but we were afraid it would be a tar, feathers, torches and pitchforks time in such case Guess it might be safer to try to have regular British ships out first Dora this mean that Illustrious class model is done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[__] Kais_S012 Beta Tester 742 posts 1,694 battles Report post #17 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) Dora this mean that Illustrious class model is done? no, he probably means to say they considered announcing its development AS the April fools joke. but quite rightly the backlash would most likely have been pretty severe. A joke is a joke but after leading people on since the closed beta that the Royal Navy would be arriving sooner rather than later. I dont think even the most reserved of the forumites or players would see the funny side to it. that being said I wouldnt mind seeing the Robin in game but under the RN Tree. like the Blyascowa (i know thats spelt wrong!) she operated with the a British crew and captain throughout her stint in the USN Edited April 13, 2016 by AegeanGhost Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KAI] Thorontir Alpha Tester 171 posts 4,243 battles Report post #18 Posted April 14, 2016 A joke is a joke but after leading people on since the closed beta that the Royal Navy would be arriving sooner rather than later. I dont think even the most reserved of the forumites or players would see the funny side to it. that being said I wouldnt mind seeing the Robin in game but under the RN Tree. like the Blyascowa (i know thats spelt wrong!) she operated with the a British crew and captain throughout her stint in the USN Wait, what? If you meant Błyskawica, then it was polish destroyer manned by polish sailors. Yes, it was built in Britain (ordered by polish government) and it served under Royal Navy command during the war as other polish ships did after Poland fall in October'39, but for the whole time it was a part of Polish Navy. Regarding USS Robin, I think it would neatly suit the pemium ship theme by adding something unusual to the American Tech Tree. However, I would prefer to see Illustrious-class carriers together with other ships in British Tech Tree first. I hoped that the mysterious fourth tech tree that will be released this year would be British CVs, but devs announced no carrier branch this year. I guess this branch would be the last British branch introduced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #19 Posted April 14, 2016 I think it's a nice premium idea, as others have said after and as well as being in the main tree. It raises an interesting question regarding balancing these ships. Small aircraft capacity but excellent heavy AA, and theoretically the ability to bounce bombs from lower tier DBs. By aircraft capacity alone she would be Tier 7 but the rest might push her higher if implemented correctly. It would be weird though if she could bounce the direct bomb damage but still catch fire, what is there to burn after a bomb exploded on an empty steel deck? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Shaka_D Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 3,691 posts 15,960 battles Report post #20 Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Now I know why the Saipan only has small fighter squadrons (damn, pic won't show!) Edited April 14, 2016 by Shaka_D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Trainspite Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster 1,920 posts 4,621 battles Report post #21 Posted April 14, 2016 *Still considers it be heresy that Victorious should be a USN Premium* By means of unique, giving Victorious USN Aircraft and then putting Victorious in at tier 7 as a premium should be ideal, those damn Yanks don't need no other tier 7 premium carrier! (Even if Britain has Ark Royal and Courageous, and Majestic, and Illustrious, and Colossus as potential tier 7s ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #22 Posted April 14, 2016 why the [edited]did WE lend THEM a carrier. we're the ones on lend lease we need all the crapwe can get Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #23 Posted April 14, 2016 why the [edited]did WE lend THEM a carrier. we're the ones on lend lease we need all the crapwe can get Err... maybe because they lost 4 out of 6 fleet carriers in a year and the other two were beaten up and badly in need of overhaul, while at the same time the threats of the German and Italian navies were largely neutralised by that stage in the war? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #24 Posted April 14, 2016 An error occurred You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #25 Posted April 14, 2016 why the [edited]did WE lend THEM a carrier. we're the ones on lend lease we need all the crapwe can get The Americans did well out of Lend Lease as well. Mainly technology rather than hardware, but it still counts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
