Warspite's Armour...

[Drunken_Jedi]

Ok I've owned my Warspite since she first became available in the closed beta. I've played a LOT of games in her, she's the only BB I drive and I'm a little confused as to what just happened.

 

A Nagato, 8km out. I'm sailing almost straight at her, with only say a 10-15 degree angle to her starboard side. The Nagato fires AP and citadels me for over 20k damage INTO THE FRONT? The Nagato is only one tier higher than me at tier VII against my tier VI. The armour is one of Warspites redeeming qualities letting her take a beating and dish it out in close quarters. If they still worked, I could show numerous replays of Warspite bouncing BB shells no problem. The same thing happened two days ago, but against a Tirpitz at long range (which I though, fair enough - plunging fire and all that jazz). This just feels a little off though.

 

I've only been back playing WoWS a week or so, as I got bored of WG stuff and took a break during the middle of the open beta having played the CBT to death. Did they make many adjustments to armour mechanics, especially regarding the Warspite? I've noticed that I'm getting citadels far less frequently than I used to especially against cruisers. Christ I hit a Furutaka which was broadside on to me and didn't get a citadel. That thing is one giant citadel so I'm feeling a little confused and let down. Did they nerf the % chance for citadels because some of us actually learnt how to aim?

 

Cheers in advance.

[Xerkics]

I thought Nagato was tier 8 or is that amagi ?, either way it was probably a plunging shell that citd you like the one that sunk HMS Hood from the Bismark.

[Drunken_Jedi]

I thought Nagato was tier 8 or is that amagi ?, either way it was probably a plunging shell that citd you like the one that sunk HMS Hood from the Bismark.

 

Amagi is the tier VIII BB for the IJN. Like I said though, it was only from 8km. Given the nature of IJN BB's having long range but fairly flat arc it can't have been plunging fire. The incident with the Tirpitz was from like 16/17km so yeah, that was plunging fire. Christ 8km is only just outside of my secondary range with all my perks active. It was like my Warspite was made of cheese.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Nagato is T7 and more impotantly has 16" guns. 

 

Warspite can take huge pain from 14" guns of the same (T6) and lower but 16" guns of higher tiers over match and ruin her big time. Regardless of angle. Tirpitz guns probably do the same thing to her.

 

A bit unfair maybe...

 

When I got the Warspite at Christmas I enjoyed her more than now. She gets dragged into higher tier games all the time now and gets farmed.

[StringWitch]

Ships are not strictly armoured in ship shapes. Sailing straight at someone is a good way to get citadelled through a thinly-armoured upper bow straight into the front turret barbette. RN (and by extention IJN) BBs have some degree of armouring all over, so your experience may be particularly unfortunate, but I can tell you this happens a lot with Mikasa and Ishizuchi too (a couple other British-designed ships).

 

Here's a picture of Dreadnought's armour layout to give you a better idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Dreadnought_1906_armour_EN.svg

Note that the upper sections are unarmoured.

[Xerkics]

The 410 mm guns on nagato  are quite nasty.

[KanColle4Life]

The 410 mm guns on nagato  are quite nasty.

 

That's what makes her a good BB for her tier. Better than the Colorado in my opinion (though Colorado does have better armor).

[Xerkics]

 

That's what makes her a good BB for her tier. Better than the Colorado in my opinion (though Colorado does have better armor).

 

I played Japanese BB in closed beta so im playing American ones now in addition to my warspite im up to New York so far but i think ill stop at new Mexico the tier 8-10 IJN BB just seem better. Not sure about the tier 7s

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

I played Japanese BB in closed beta so im playing American ones now in addition to my warspite im up to New York so far but i think ill stop at new Mexico the tier 8-10 IJN BB just seem better. Not sure about the tier 7s

 

 

I played Japanese BB in closed beta so im playing American ones now in addition to my warspite im up to New York so far but i think ill stop at new Mexico the tier 8-10 IJN BB just seem better. Not sure about the tier 7s

 

Of the two T7 BB I've kept my Colorado over the Nagato. Seems to perform better for me...

 

There seems to be a massive gulf between T6 and lower BB then T7 and higher in terms of firepower and armour. It's just sad seeing Warspite smashed in higher tier games 

 

[Seikin]

I must say, based on what i'd heard beforehand, After getting her, I was sorely disappointed by the armour performance in general. I've seen very little bounce (if anything) - and I'm used to angling (Colorado). Just doesn't feel very tough at all for its tier.

[Mucker]

I think this is an issue with overpenetration. If a shell hits armor which is less than 1/14,3 of it's diameter, it will penetrate regardless of impact angle. 

 

Warspite's bow has 25 mm of armor. 

 

410 mm =  overmatches 28.7 mm armor

406 mm =  overmatches 28.4 mm armor

381 mm =  overmatches 26.6 mm armor

356 mm =  overmatches 24.9 mm armor 

 

As you can see, 16 and 15 inch shells will punch right through your bow and if the trajectory is right, into your citadel. 14 inch guns and smaller will not overmatch an thus ricochet due to the extreme impact angle. 

So if you are engaging ships with 15 and 16 inch guns, don't sail straight to them, show much more of your side armor.

[creamgravy]

Warspite's bow has 25 mm of armor. 

356 mm =  overmatches 24.9 mm armor 

 

As you can see, 16 and 15 inch shells will punch right through your bow and if the trajectory is right, into your citadel. 14 inch guns and smaller will not overmatch an thus ricochet due to the extreme impact angle. 

So if you are engaging ships with 15 and 16 inch guns, don't sail straight to them, show much more of your side armor.

 

New York and Kongo does this to me all the time. 7-10km out, almost straight, 20k damage through the front. 14" guns can be just as deadly. (Maybe they're now rounding up in one of the calcs?)

I think 20 degrees works best for me, you can take 16" shells quite nicely and more secondaries can fire too :p. (Although would love a more experienced BB player comment)

 

Oh and turning the ship lifts it out the water and exposes your weak armour, at all angles. Never turn when someone is shooting at you.

[Xerkics]

This reminds me did war spite AA get nerfed in last few months? It feels less effective than before somehow.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

This reminds me did war spite AA get nerfed in last few months? It feels less effective than before somehow.

 

Maybe due to the complete rework of AA mechanics. I think it is decent enough though. Not a T6 AA fortress like an elite New Mex but quite okay for self-defense. Just take down a couple of torp bombers to alter the spread, then you can dodge reliably thanks to your absurdly low turning radius.

[Xerkics]

 

Maybe due to the complete rework of AA mechanics. I think it is decent enough though. Not a T6 AA fortress like an elite New Mex but quite okay for self-defense. Just take down a couple of torp bombers to alter the spread, then you can dodge reliably thanks to your absurdly low turning radius.

 

I had no idea Aa got reworked. How did it change? It seems weaker somehow

[deadly_if_swallowed]

 

I had no idea Aa got reworked. How did it change? It seems weaker somehow

 

Not sure which timeframe you mean by "last months". AA guns have been recalculated and released in patch 0.5.3 in February.

For some more background, you may want to check the patch FAQ http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/updates/Update-053-FAQ/#aa and release notes which you can still find on the WoWS newspage.

[Gojuadorai]

while i agree that with the +2 tiers matchmaking the warspites armor is lacking big time 

i really dont get why theres now a 3rd thread about the warspite and its state all 3 are named diffrently  but basically all discus various shortcomings of the ship .....

 

if we could discuss the state as a whole in one thread that would make it much simpler for all to follow the general consensus....

[Xerkics]

 

Not sure which timeframe you mean by "last months". AA guns have been recalculated and released in patch 0.5.3 in February.

For some more background, you may want to check the patch FAQ http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/updates/Update-053-FAQ/#aa and release notes which you can still find on the WoWS newspage.

 

thanks I haven't played since end of closed beta so I'll look into that.

[Archiee]

Picked her up a few days ago in the sale, and i love her guns.  But i have to say im underwhelmed with her armouring.  I have played a lot of battles in the NM and i know how to angle my armour in that ship, so i expected similar results with the Warspite considering her armour is that little bit thicker. However im finding im getting penned from angles i wouldnt have expected to be. Is this intended, or is somthing wrong with her armour?

[Gojuadorai]

from another thread :

coming from a russian  Q&A translation:

 

Carnotzet, on 02 April 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

Q&A. Source

 

4. Warspite seems to have extremely bad armour that can be penned by anything. Have you checked if there isn't any bug regarding her armour?

A. We checked and rechecked and nothing is wrong with her armour.

 

 

 so i dont think current armor will change .... 

 

[Akula971]

from another thread :

coming from a russian  Q&A translation:

 

 

 so i dont think current armor will change .... 

 

 

They didn't say that they hadn't changed it, just that nothing is wrong. Working as intended.

[Xerkics]

Warspite has overal nice armour but i think its citadel armour isnt very good.

[Gojuadorai]

They didn't say that they hadn't changed it, just that nothing is wrong. Working as intended.

 

well in another q&A from rus forums they said they even double checked it

while technically youre right i think they checked it because of lots of complaints

if they had changed it they would know what caused the complaints and therefore wouldnt have had to check the armor cause they would know it was their change  which sparked the complaints.

 

Warspite has overal nice armour but i think its citadel armour isnt very good.

 

i think citadel armor is good/ok unless you get shot at by 350mm guns

the probem i see is i take lot more pens than in say a new mex  and that hurts a lot each salvo.

 

 

[Sea_viper]

If you check the armour layout of the Warspite, you will find that most of the armour at the bow is only 6~10 inch thick. The reason why you can bounce 14 inch guns from the bow is mainly because they can't overmatch the 1 inch hull plating which is highly angled from the front.

 

 

[Todger_Fairmile]

If you check the armour layout of the Warspite, you will find that most of the armour at the bow is only 6~10 inch thick. The reason why you can bounce 14 inch guns from the bow is mainly because they can't overmatch the 1 inch hull plating which is highly angled from the front.

 

 

The problem is that Warspite and all the WWI British ships including Hood are from before they switched to the American all or nothing style of protection. As a result the armour is spread out and not concentrated around the vitals.