Ibuki - Research points - Zao

[Crusherheads]

Greeting's, i aint here to comment about the machine itself but the research points he earns.

 

Not sure if any one has notice or probably is just me that even doing a "good game" you only earn around 2000-2400, "medium games" around 1500-1700 research points. 

The credits earn for this boat i find it quite okay, but what suprises me and makes me feel that the research points on this boat are "locked". yesterday i won and did a good game with rougtly gave me 450,000 credits but only 3900 points, i say to myself okay this game was "once a month match" but well.

 

What i trying to reach or say is even with Izumo or a Destroyer at same tiers, i could earn alot more research points that this boat. And izumo you mostly earn research points by doing heavy damage and with destroyer the capping and damage are accountable for it. 

 

Theres games that i manage to do 70k-120k with ibuki and i havent yet surpass the 4000 research points. Ofc i using Premium but no flags. And me and friend with his roon on a platon we did a game with he earned roughtly 3800+ and me only 2500+ on a match with i has on top of the team score and he on 4º ...

 

So its just me? Knowing Zao is a great machine and his popularity is at scale.

 

Did appreciate ur opinions and thoughs/experience about it, i quite fine with this ship though the "research points earned" again seems to be locked or limited.

 

Any ways thx for ur attention, and sorry for the moaning, i forgot to screenshot the games scores, but i will eventualy put to prove what i wrote above.

 

P.s: Check the screenshot bellow, 170,000 damage and only 3900 research points and i won that game, that was my best games with ibuki so far.

[Panocek]

IIRC you do most of the exp by capping, which is usually DD domain or by knocking significant amounts of %hp ship, which is easiest to pull off with battleship. Cruisers outside random torpedo or somewhat rare cruiser brawling can't knock large amount of hp in short time from targets they can see (BBs and CA), nor they can cap safely under concealment with enemy DDs around.

 

So I guess welcome to hightier cruisers?

[waxx25]

FFS why are you crying about this? The Ibuki is a fantastic ship, the guns are great with dmg and range and the ship is very maneuverable. Its a joy to play and I will be sad to let iot go

[Crusherheads]

IIRC you do most of the exp by capping, which is usually DD domain or by knocking significant amounts of %hp ship, which is easiest to pull off with battleship. Cruisers outside random torpedo or somewhat rare cruiser brawling can't knock large amount of hp in short time from targets they can see (BBs and CA), nor they can cap safely under concealment with enemy DDs around.

 

So I guess welcome to hightier cruisers?

 

Yeah though so, mostly due we need play in a safer way due the higher tiers DD/BBs i guess, makes sence. Though did u saw the screenshot? you think 3900 research points is good enough for that match? aka 170,000 damage.

 

[Crusherheads]

FFS why are you crying about this? The Ibuki is a fantastic ship, the guns are great with dmg and range and the ship is very maneuverable. Its a joy to play and I will be sad to let iot go

 

read again... or u trolling. Ibuki is good. just the reduced Research points she earns it. But guess its due the gameplay she has not allowing you earning enough, with Panocek pointed out.

[Panocek]

 

Yeah though so, mostly due we need play in a safer way due the higher tiers DD/BBs i guess, makes sence. Though did u saw the screenshot? you think 3900 research points is good enough for that match? aka 170,000 damage.

 

 

Burning battleships might print you some nice damage values, but if you would focus on DD hunting or beating other cruisers would would score about the same exp with less damage, or by extension, more exp for the same damage.

 

Profile stats show highest earned exp/damage/kills, but they don't have to come up from the same battle.

[waxx25]

 

read again... or u trolling. Ibuki is good. just the reduced Research points she earns it. But guess its due the gameplay she has not allowing you earning enough, with Panocek pointed out.

 

not troliing, its a joy to play, why [edited]about low exp gain.

[shamelesscreature]

IIRC you do most of the exp by capping, which is usually DD domain or by knocking significant amounts of %hp ship, which is easiest to pull off with battleship. Cruisers outside random torpedo or somewhat rare cruiser brawling can't knock large amount of hp in short time from targets they can see (BBs and CA), nor they can cap safely under concealment with enemy DDs around.

 

So I guess welcome to hightier cruisers?

 

You rarely see BB games with 3000 base XP either. There's an effect of diminishing returns, dealing 5 times the damage doesn't give 5 times the XP. The same goes for capping, getting 5 caps instead of 1 doesn't give 5 times the XP. You'll generally have the best games (XP wise) by contributing in both categories. Not sure whether aircraft kills and cap defence would be further separate categories or factor into damage and capping.

[__Katniss__]

 

not troliing, its a joy to play, why [edited]about low exp gain.

Meh, Ibuki is crap. That armor is weak like hell. When you see incomming enemy salvo from BB you have to pray to RNGsus. Every hit hurts from every angle 

[Crusherheads]

Alright, much appreciate for the coments guys u the best \m/ 

 

[waxx25]

Meh, Ibuki is crap. That armor is weak like hell. When you see incomming enemy salvo from BB you have to pray to RNGsus. Every hit hurts from every angle 

 

Skvido confirmed weak armor

[__Katniss__]

 

Skvido confirmed weak armor

 

Yep, listen to him. I know him really well. He is clever guy. 

[Tyrendian89]

IIRC you do most of the exp by capping, which is usually DD domain or by knocking significant amounts of %hp ship, which is easiest to pull off with battleship. Cruisers outside random torpedo or somewhat rare cruiser brawling can't knock large amount of hp in short time from targets they can see (BBs and CA), nor they can cap safely under concealment with enemy DDs around.

 

So I guess welcome to hightier cruisers?

 

that's probably it, I'd been wondering why my Ibuki has a good bit less average XP than my Roon even though the average damage is slightly higher and number of caps felt similar - my Roon does a lot of her damage to Cruisers, while my Ibuki likes to shoot at Battlesheep and burn those to a crisp. But that obviously gives less %HP done... I feel rather silly now for not realizing that earlier

[mtm78]

FFS why are you crying about this? The Ibuki is a fantastic ship, the guns are great with dmg and range and the ship is very maneuverable. Its a joy to play and I will be sad to let iot go

 

If you think Ibuki has good guns, wait till you get Zao <3

 

If I didn't dislike the current meta at tier X I could easily see that being my main ship atm. 

[Kurbain]

FFS why are you crying about this? The Ibuki is a fantastic ship, the guns are great with dmg and range and the ship is very maneuverable. Its a joy to play and I will be sad to let iot go

 

Letting the Ibuki go is nothing to be sad about, because it means you have unlocked the Zao, which is a stronger Ibuki. 

 

Meh, Ibuki is crap. That armor is weak like hell. When you see incomming enemy salvo from BB you have to pray to RNGsus. Every hit hurts from every angle 

 

Well, that's more or less true for all cruisers. Ibuki is one of the better ships to dodge BB salvos with, though, because of the low profile.

 

Greeting's, i aint here to comment about the machine itself but the research points he earns.

 

Not sure if any one has notice or probably is just me that even doing a "good game" you only earn around 2000-2400, "medium games" around 1500-1700 research points. 

The credits earn for this boat i find it quite okay, but what suprises me and makes me feel that the research points on this boat are "locked". yesterday i won and did a good game with rougtly gave me 450,000 credits but only 3900 points, i say to myself okay this game was "once a month match" but well.

 

What i trying to reach or say is even with Izumo or a Destroyer at same tiers, i could earn alot more research points that this boat. And izumo you mostly earn research points by doing heavy damage and with destroyer the capping and damage are accountable for it. 

 

Theres games that i manage to do 70k-120k with ibuki and i havent yet surpass the 4000 research points. Ofc i using Premium but no flags. And me and friend with his roon on a platon we did a game with he earned roughtly 3800+ and me only 2500+ on a match with i has on top of the team score and he on 4º ...

 

Hm, each ship has different credit and XP modifiers. The Ibuki is quite a strong ship, which means Ibuki's XP modifier might be on the lower end of the scale, but personally I haven't felt that its low. I tend to get a lot of XP for the damage I do.

 

I assume you are probably too busy burning BBs to a crisp, which as Panocek pointed out doesn't reward much XP and credits. Attacking cruisers and destroyers is a better choice.

 

I've had several rounds with above 2500 base XP in my Ibuki so far and in some of them I didn't even do 100K damage. Killing DDs is a much more efficient way to gain credits and XP.

I'm at 2294 average XP with the Ibuki per match.

Assuming you have unlocked Concealment Expert, the Ibuki is one of the best cruisers to "hunt" DDs with because of the torpedoes and 9,7 KM concealment.

[Panocek]

Meh, Ibuki is crap. That armor is weak like hell. When you see incomming enemy salvo from BB you have to pray to RNGsus. Every hit hurts from every angle 

 

And how exactly that differs from other cruisers?

[BadGene616]

I ran Baltimore and ibuki at the same time. Difference in average damage, about 10% in favour of Baltimore.

 

Average exp for Baltimore was double ibuki.

 

Hadn't noticed that before and admittedly my stats in them aren't stellar but felt i underperformed in ibuki more due to final exp ranking in team.

[B010011A]

My average on Ibuki was 40K damage while on zao skyrocketed to 80K, so yeah. Whatever skills you choose you'll be a beast. I dont have demo expert nor a 5th skill of concealment expert and yet I have 11km detection range. You just rekt people and is still easy to set people on fire with this ship.

[__Katniss__]

 

And how exactly that differs from other cruisers?

 

Try to play with Baltimore and you will see. 

[BadGene616]

 

Try to play with Baltimore and you will see. 

Yup it's quite a narrow ship compared with the ijn CAs. I really didn't expect to like it but if I'm honest found it more reliable than the ibuki.

[Crusherheads]

Yup it's quite a narrow ship compared with the ijn CAs. I really didn't expect to like it but if I'm honest found it more reliable than the ibuki.

 

yeah i dont remember citadeling a Baltimore from the front with my yamato/amagi or tirpitz, it never happened to me. now with ibuki i had in 1 salvo from montana 2 citadels from him even with my ship on angle aka V format... 

[Kurbain]

Yup it's quite a narrow ship compared with the ijn CAs.

 

The most important factor regarding the superior survivability may be the lower amount of turrets on the high-tier US CAs. Baltimore uses 3 turrets and Ibuki 5.

That means the Ibuki has 5 magazines that can be hit by a ship to deal citadel damage (or even detonate it) and the Baltimore only got 3.

Furthermore I think the magazines are located higher up on the IJN CAs.

[Panocek]

Panocek, on 03 April 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

 

And how exactly that differs from other cruisers?

 

Try to play with Baltimore and you will see. 

 

Last time I've played with my Balti its armor was equally ineffective against 406+ shells as in Pensacola. it shrug off cruiser/DD AP just fine tho. Still it was abysmal ship to play

[Crusherheads]

THis is what i talking about, check the screenshots bellow, and this game just gave 3.648 research points? seriously? on a BB or a DD this did be 4.500 or 5000+ research points, something is wrong overhere, i am certain that Wargaming nerfed the research points earning from this cruiser.

 

On credits note, i find it okay and balanced, but about the research points earned from this ship is totaly nerfed, they greatly reduced the earning on this ship. And this is with a Premium account.

 

Heres the replay of the game that i did for the curious people: http://wowreplays.com/Replay/3341-Crusherheads-Ibuki-North-Winter

[Kurbain]

Seems fine to me. You dealt 130K damage to various targets and received 2.4K base XP for it.

In a DD you would have received more XP for it indeed, simply because they have a better XP modifier due to their lower statistical average damage.

There's no way you would have gotten close to 4500/5000 XP for this feat in a BB, though.
I've had plenty of 150K+ damage matches in my BBs and I usually receive 2000 to 2300 base XP for those on a win, even in the Tirpitz.
Maybe you use XP flags on your other ships or play a lot of premiums, which gave you warped perspective of XP gains?

Either way, don't forgot that your choice of targets greatly influences your XP gain.
I had a recent match in my Ibuki where I dealt 116K damage and got 2711 base XP. That's 300 more experience than you even though I dealt 14K damage less, because I focused more on killing DDs and most of my targets were T10.