WG please make MatchMaker to mirror number of DDs in "Domination" game mode!

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

I had 7 "Domination" games today - in all of them my side had 1-2-3 less DDs by MM...

 

We were at HUGE disadvantage at the start and, of course 6 of those 7 games were lost despite the best effort...

 

So, WG, please make DDs MIRROR in "Domination" game mode because it is simply not fair to be fighting almost certain losing battle - the number of DDs is what counts in "Domination" mode!

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[mtm78]

We really needed another thread on the subject, thanks!

 

[Mayv]

We really needed another thread on the subject, thanks!

 

 

But what else would we do on the forum but complain about DDs?

[Agantas]

I don't think it needs to be mirrored, but MM could do better than putting 5 DD vs 3 DD.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

I don't think it needs to be mirrored, but MM could do better than putting 5 DD vs 3 DD.

 

oh please , i doubt u know more then me , and i can agree about this , special on high tiers 6 dds each team but 4x t10 dd vs 1 or 2 , or 3 vs 6 , like there was some talks in ru forum about DD Mirror MM this should be very fine

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

We really needed another thread on the subject, thanks!

 

 

 

"Mtm78", In almost all other threads about DDs people complained in general - but this is very specific for "Domination" game type only!

 

 

It is really not fun at all:

 

#1

"Ocean" map

Domination

3 CAPs

One side has 1 DD - the other has 3 DDs

 

#2

"Tierra del Fuego" map

Domination

3 CAPs

One side has 1 DD - the other has 3 DDs

 

#3

"North" map

Domination

4 CAPs

One side has 2 DD - the other has 4 DDs

 

etc.

 

 

If the teams are equally bad/good there is almost no chance in hell that side with less DDs win the above examples...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[mtm78]

I agree, but the point is mentioned in all the other threads about DD MM / balance, so it just didn't seem as needed to make yet another one. You might have a point though

 

[loppantorkel]

I noticed this issue the other day on, I think it's called 'Trap'. 3 caps. It was me the only dd vs 3 other. 1 cv in each team. The opposing tier 9 cv found me in the area we were capping and threw all he had at me until I died. Then they won.

 

I agree, it's a bit of an issue in Domination. 3 vs 5 might be ok, but not 1 vs 3.

[Admiral_noodle]

I don't usually like "mirroring" because I like variety. And the side with more DDs doesn't always win if they are dealt with by cruisers etc.

 

However there ought to be some kind of "moderating" influence In MM. I've seen 1v5 DDs before and it's not a "good game" usually - because it becomes all about the DDs. Either the team with the DDs gets all the caps and it's over too fast, or the DDs die and the team is quickly destroyed.

 

In short few vs. Lots of DDs leads to short, often unfulfilling games.

[zappori]

Just sayin' ... 3 vs 7 DDs

 

[Agantas]

Just sayin' ... 3 vs 7 DDs

 

 

The 2xPepsi & Nagato division on green side threw off the MM there. It seems to be balancing tier 9 and tier 7 BB vs 2 x tier 8 BB, also by putting all free tier 9 ships to green team to offset the 3 tier 9 ships in red team. Would the teams be fairer if Red team got Hipper and Kutuzov from green team and green team got Mahan and Hatsuharu from red team in exchange? Or perhaps that tier 7 division going to red team with reds giving Tirpitz, Hatsuharu and Mahan to green team? Either of those a better option for you?

[zappori]

 

The 2xPepsi & Nagato division on green side threw off the MM there. It seems to be balancing tier 9 and tier 7 BB vs 2 x tier 8 BB, also by putting all free tier 9 ships to green team to offset the 3 tier 9 ships in red team. Would the teams be fairer if Red team got Hipper and Kutuzov from green team and green team got Mahan and Hatsuharu from red team in exchange? Or perhaps that tier 7 division going to red team with reds giving Tirpitz, Hatsuharu and Mahan to green team? Either of those a better option for you?

 

I think you are missing the point. There is no math equation to be solved here except 7 DDs. Even if it was 7v7 DDs it would still suck.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Ahhh... really really bad MM lately... law of large numbers... I understand that... but still... one always wonders about other things as well in such situations...

 

It seems that in almost every game I play lately (and I kid you not) my team is 1 BB and 1-2-3 DDs short... in CAP games (i.e. "Domination" mode) this is as good as 100% certain loss at the start... the cruisers simply can't replace missing DDs for CAPing in the beginning which is where the points are made or lost (if cruisers try to CAP they will get spotted immediately, targeted from multiple enemy ships and, finally, almost immediately destroyed)... <SIGH>

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[VC381]

I know people moan and groan about DD complaint threads but this is a specific issue. I said it before, I don't have a problem with DDs generally the only thing that doesn't make any sense to me about the MM is when there is an even number of DDs in the match, more often than not it gives one side 2 more than the other instead of splitting them equally. Always 2v4, 3v5, easy balance problem thrown away for no reason. To me that's just stupid given the unique ability of DDs to impact the capture game. MM already forces equal carriers, BBs and cruisers you can argue that +/-1 can be balanced by higher tiers on the other team. But you can't balance DDs by tier vs. number because there is no substitute for having invisible threats in multiple places at once.

[FaceFisted]

For mirrored teams - play coop.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Another set of "fun" games at Tier VII / VIII / IX on huge maps in "Domination Mode" with 4 CAPs...

 

It is really really almost impossible task to win when you have such huge maps with 4 CAPs and 3:4 or 2:4 in DDs...

 

 

WG this is real problem - and it can be fixed - please look at this!

 

 

Please please just check the statistics for games on big maps in "Domination Mode" with 4 CAPs when there is disadvantage for one side due to MM...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[wongman66]

Do not agree with mirroring but MM was changed for the better in 5.3 I.e not stuff say 3 Atagos on one side (unless a 3 division) but split them 2:1 plus it was much better with evening the tiers. Since 5.4 it appears to take gone back to the real old way. The imbalance in dds is very noticeable of 2/3/4.

One of the easiest solutions to help the MM is to fix divisions, they already have a cv limit but for all other classes it should be Max 2 and prevent fail divisions with Max spread of 1. You increase your chances of meeting fellow divs if counting down together if you are mixed.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

This is really really becoming ridiculous...

 

 

How on Earth can my team win in "Domination" (4 CAPs) in this huge map with 1 Dd against 4 Dds?

 

 

WG please do something about "Domination" and disparity in DDs!!!

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Kruzenstern]

I'd be happy if they just allowed me to disable Domination altogether... Even with balanced DDs the battles end far too soon far too often...

[ColonelPete]

1v3 is not that good on Domination, but 2v4 is fine.

Focus on what you have, not what you could get.

[robihr]

 

But what else would we do on the forum but complain about DDs?

 

complain about CV-s?

[Krikkio82]

I do agree with you man !! Mirror DD is fair in domination mode. There is so much work to do for a perfect MM....easy stuff also....

[AnotherDuck]

I don't think a complete mirroring is necessary, but reducing the discrepancy to at most one DD more on one team (if there's an uneven number of them) would probably be beneficial.

[vonBlashyrkh]

Why just DD's, why should not all classes / tiers be mirrored in all matches?

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

1v3 is not that good on Domination, but 2v4 is fine.

Focus on what you have, not what you could get.

 

 

My latest example (please see picture above) was 1 vs. 4 in 4 point CAP "Domination" mode...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"