[AXS] sovergein Players 60 posts 14,484 battles Report post #1 Posted March 31, 2016 What the hell is this. WG devs no read tech information or its big lairs ? New Mexico armament - 12 × 14-inch/50 caliber guns (4×3) 22 × 5-inch/51 caliber guns (soon reduced to 14 × 5 inch/51 caliber guns.) 2 × 21-inch torpedo tubes Where is the torpedos ? I read one topic to beta WOWs where one lead dev say,, World of Warships is the best realisctic battles on water." Wau. The sooner we eventually as a lie. In the moment, this game reminds Battlefield 4 on water. One shoot citadels hits and deaths ( BF4 is called headshot) I feel that some ships do not even have armor. Extra classes are destroyers.Invisibility to 2 km without fog. Dont shoot strategy only torpedo spam every min. This game and all ships must be rebalanced and destroyers OP must by decreased. Tordedo damage reduced, invisibility reduced, torpedo loading time increased. If this game wants to attract new players must be completely in some aspects of this game modified. I look forward as there is in me throw stones People who play destroyers. And as extra classes will be beta testers refutes all these crap. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devantejah Alpha Tester 1,049 posts 2,356 battles Report post #2 Posted March 31, 2016 Uh.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC Players 1,139 posts Report post #3 Posted March 31, 2016 OK, the new patch (0.5.4.1) that went on in the early hours of this morning, had some fixes.....and other stuff. You do know what day it is tomorrow? Take a chill pill, and keep your eyes open for other silliness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAVOC] Niibler Players 723 posts Report post #4 Posted March 31, 2016 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] principat121 Modder 6,023 posts 11,475 battles Report post #5 Posted March 31, 2016 Ok, lets do it. And lets give Sovergein a job as super supervisor for head game development! He deserved it! He prooved his skills with this undeniable statemate to the current gameplay and he also showed superior competences as historical research professional. Damn it, I have to admit, I love that guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OVanBruce Alpha Tester 2,543 posts 16,031 battles Report post #6 Posted March 31, 2016 Somebody must make a bingo for this kind of threads 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #7 Posted March 31, 2016 Started off reasonable asking about BB torpedo tubes, (submerged tubes won't be added in game) but then goes on about "OP" DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiery_Kathy Beta Tester 1,022 posts 3,947 battles Report post #8 Posted March 31, 2016 Uh.. Uh... indeed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AXS] sovergein Players 60 posts 14,484 battles Report post #9 Posted March 31, 2016 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #10 Posted March 31, 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,143 battles Report post #11 Posted March 31, 2016 So what ? Kongo Fuso and Nagato all had torpedo armaments in real... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_Die Players 930 posts 9,329 battles Report post #12 Posted March 31, 2016 So what ? Kongo Fuso and Nagato all had torpedo armaments in real... Hmmm is there a record of a BB actually ever using its torpedoes in a real battle? an i dont mean for scuttling hulks.... I have to agree with Lesta on this one....Adding those tubes would just tempt stupid people to try and use them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,143 battles Report post #13 Posted March 31, 2016 Hmmm is there a record of a BB actually ever using its torpedoes in a real battle? an i dont mean for scuttling hulks.... I have to agree with Lesta on this one....Adding those tubes would just tempt stupid people to try and use them... With that kind of thinking Tirpitz torps should be removed too. I don't think all should get tubes but some could be allowed to. And it is already good balanced in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #14 Posted March 31, 2016 Hmmm is there a record of a BB actually ever using its torpedoes in a real battle? an i dont mean for scuttling hulks.... I have to agree with Lesta on this one....Adding those tubes would just tempt stupid people to try and use them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #15 Posted March 31, 2016 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perrinu Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 104 posts 3,921 battles Report post #16 Posted March 31, 2016 Gonna give the straight answer. Lots of pre second world war had submerged torpedo tubes. They almost all got removed before the war came about during modernisations or refits. So even if they were included you'd only see them on stocks hulls.Secondly they aren't there because it very hard to use them as the aiming wouldn't be much like a couple of degrees either way but even then it's different for each ship. Also it's hard to balance a BB when it suddenly gets torps as well. It'd be another thing you'd have to weave and such for in almost every fight. tl;dr Balance (and actually historical) is why you don't see them etc. HMS Rodney against the Bismarck used it's tubes. Whether or not they hit is still debated but they were still used in battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_Die Players 930 posts 9,329 battles Report post #17 Posted March 31, 2016 With that kind of thinking Tirpitz torps should be removed too. I don't think all should get tubes but some could be allowed to. And it is already good balanced in the game. Well, Tirpitz doesnt have fixed launchers like those underwater ones on older ships so people dont actually have to steam towards someone head on.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #18 Posted March 31, 2016 Gonna give the straight answer. Lots of pre second world war had submerged torpedo tubes. They almost all got removed before the war came about during modernisations or refits. So even if they were included you'd only see them on stocks hulls. Secondly they aren't there because it very hard to use them as the aiming wouldn't be much like a couple of degrees either way but even then it's different for each ship. Also it's hard to balance a BB when it suddenly gets torps as well. It'd be another thing you'd have to weave and such for in almost every fight. tl;dr Balance (and actually historical) is why you don't see them etc. HMS Rodney against the Bismarck used it's tubes. Whether or not they hit is still debated but they were still used in battle. If I'm not mistaken, the aiming for the torpedoes shot from these tubes was done by setting the gyros for each torpedo to the target's estimated position, so after it was launched it would turn accordingly. The tubes were fixed and couldn't move at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_Die Players 930 posts 9,329 battles Report post #19 Posted March 31, 2016 If I'm not mistaken, the aiming for the torpedoes shot from these tubes was done by setting the gyros for each torpedo to the target's estimated position, so after it was launched it would turn accordingly. The tubes were fixed and couldn't move at all. yeah its the same way sub torpedoes were aimed to produce spread on subs with unguided torpedoes but its was usually just a few degrees to either side.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #20 Posted March 31, 2016 With that kind of thinking Tirpitz torps should be removed too. I don't think all should get tubes but some could be allowed to. And it is already good balanced in the game. Game developers have been very Specific!! Non directional Torpedo tubes will not be in game!! So Tirpitz is Fine!!! Yubari on the other hand may have to lose her torpedo tubes!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #21 Posted March 31, 2016 Hmmm is there a record of a BB actually ever using its torpedoes in a real battle? an i dont mean for scuttling hulks.... I have to agree with Lesta on this one....Adding those tubes would just tempt stupid people to try and use them... Yes and no!!! There is 1 case of these NON directional underwater Torpedo tubes being used that I know of to sink a ship! But it was not a BB but the SMS Emden (the one in game). The torpedo was launched at a Anchored Russian Cruiser in WW1. apart from that i cant think of any other case by any class of Surface ship! Pretty sure that why the hole idea was abandoned and they were removed from any ship that had them after WW1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perrinu Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 104 posts 3,921 battles Report post #22 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, the aiming for the torpedoes shot from these tubes was done by setting the gyros for each torpedo to the target's estimated position, so after it was launched it would turn accordingly. The tubes were fixed and couldn't move at all. Well I can't remember the ship that as trainable (more than a few degrees, like only 5) so for lack of evidence call me out on BS. Though if you could trainable gyro style in game all I could see is bad TK as the torp twists through the water at a curve Now a German ship of some name did has it's tubes set at angle to shoot straight at a target so when you did your typical gunnery dual it was shot ahead and met the enemy. DO NOT USE THIS AS EVIDENCE FOR TRAINABLE TUBES THIS IS PREDDREANOUGHT AND ITS ABOVE WATER. Edited March 31, 2016 by Perrinu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Battledragon Beta Tester 615 posts 1,251 battles Report post #23 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Yes and no!!! There is 1 case of these NON directional underwater Torpedo tubes being used that I know of to sink a ship! But it was not a BB but the SMS Emden (the one in game). The torpedo was launched at a Anchored Russian Cruiser in WW1. apart from that i cant think of any other case by any class of Surface ship! Pretty sure that why the hole idea was abandoned and they were removed from any ship that had them after WW1 The HMS Rodney did fire a total of 12 torpedoes at the crippled Bismarck, only one hit though and it wasn't the killing blow (It's open for debate wether that was the ship's scutling charges or the salvo of cruiser torpedoes which hit at about the same time). But as the original question was if any BB ever used its torpedoes in actual combat, HMS Rodney would count as a yes. Edited March 31, 2016 by Battledragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #24 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) The HMS Rodney did fire a total of 12 torpedoes at the crippled Bismarck, only one hit though and it wasn't the killing blow (It's open for debate wether that was the ship's scutling charges or the salvo of cruiser torpedoes which hit at about the same time). But as the original question was if any BB ever used its torpedoes in actual combat, HMS Rodney would count as a yes. Very True But DJ_Die, on 31 March 2016 - 09:10 AM, said: Hmmm is there a record of a BB actually ever using its torpedoes in a real battle? an i dont mean for scuttling hulks.... I have to agree with Lesta on this one....Adding those tubes would just tempt stupid people to try and use them... By this stage of the battle Rodney was 3000M away and the Bismark was a Hulk And as for how the Bismark Sunk its not open to any debate any more. When Bismark was found by Robert Ballard and the wreck surveyed it found non of the torpedoes breached the Torpedo Belt She sunk because the hull was breached by scuttling charges and the fact the sea Cocks had been opened. That said this is academic as ok the RN did not sink the Bismark but they Defiantly Destroyed her If you can find it i recommend this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Robert-Ballards-%2522Bismarck%2522-Battleship-Surrenders/dp/1844256677/ref=sr_1_28?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1459419988&sr=1-28 He has a hole series of them including Midway and Wrecks of the Pacific! they are fascinating reads and full of pics and artist painting of the wrecks. IF i can drag myself away from the game this weekend i may scan and post some of them here. Edited March 31, 2016 by T0byJug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #25 Posted March 31, 2016 The HMS Rodney did fire a total of 12 torpedoes at the crippled Bismarck, only one hit though and it wasn't the killing blow (It's open for debate wether that was the ship's scutling charges or the salvo of cruiser torpedoes which hit at about the same time). But as the original question was if any BB ever used its torpedoes in actual combat, HMS Rodney would count as a yes. Hmmm... As you said it yourself, the Bismarck by then was crippled... hardly a target capable of firing back or maneuvering. In my opinion it's not that significant, regardless of the damage that those torpedoes may have done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
