Braincage Players 5 posts 20 battles Report post #1 Posted March 31, 2016 My second 6 kill game of the day in this ship. The HE is great and the AP tears ships up. The final game of the stream and we pull off an incredible win from being far behind. Probably the hardest carry I've ever made. https://www.twitch.tv/braincage/v/57703980 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MATREKUS Players 377 posts 4,311 battles Report post #2 Posted March 31, 2016 Its not. And king of what? I did better in Kirov and in Nurnberg TBH. I would say ships like Pensacola, Konigsberg, Nurnberg, Kirov and Budyonny are very rewarding to experienced players. Thats the catch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,389 battles Report post #3 Posted March 31, 2016 Does it still blow up like the Kirov? Fragile ships punish poor play so I doubt the global stats will end up looking good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azalgor Beta Tester 1,046 posts 19,583 battles Report post #4 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Sometimes you get to play against teams worse than bots, most times you get them on yours, i remember killing both Kirov and Buryoni in a single battle in Nurberg as thei aired, it all depends on teams. Its the same as watching some reviews on ships, oh look i made 5 kills, but you look at the game an pretty much noone even fired at him, he was doing whatever he wanted, in most cases when its you - you get molested the moment you show up from behind an island. Situational stuff. Edited March 31, 2016 by Azalgor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #5 Posted March 31, 2016 ☭Budyonny is stronk ship tovarich☭ That was my 3rd game and the ship is very capable. It is actually very reminiscent of CBT Cleveland, although with 1 less turret and bigger citadel but with short range torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MATREKUS Players 377 posts 4,311 battles Report post #6 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) ☭Budyonny is stronk ship tovarich☭ That was my 3rd game and the ship is very capable. It is actually very reminiscent of CBT Cleveland, although with 1 less turret and bigger citadel but with short range torps. yeah I can put such screen for almost every ship in my port...Like I said I did better with nurnberg and kirov... Everybody can put a screenie with his best matches....its ridiculous and means nothing... Edited March 31, 2016 by Tvrdi1976 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feign_Death Beta Tester 81 posts Report post #7 Posted March 31, 2016 Sometimes you get to play against teams worse than bots, most times you get them on yours, i remember killing both Kirov and Buryoni in a single battle in Nurberg as thei aired, it all depends on teams. Its the same as watching some reviews on ships, oh look i made 5 kills, but you look at the game an pretty much noone even fired at him, he was doing whatever he wanted, in most cases when its you - you get molested the moment you show up from behind an island. Situational stuff. ofc you always get more bad players on your team then that of the enemy. And unicorns fly out and about and the moon is made of cheese. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P4ID] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #8 Posted March 31, 2016 Bodyonny is a great ship, but i find the Tier7 far more superior. The 3 extra guns and the extra range mean a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,377 battles Report post #9 Posted March 31, 2016 With the same number of battles as Aoba is the past week (and by this point, I doubt only the good players are playing it) the ship seems more than just a "good ship." None of the other Soviet cruisers show such disparity compared to the other cruisers like this one does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MATREKUS Players 377 posts 4,311 battles Report post #10 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) 1) Winrate means nothing regarding this particular topic 2) Budyonny was in this short period, mainly used by VERY experienced players. Other ships arent. 3) Where is kill to death ratio? Kirov and Bud are very easy to oneshot... Edited March 31, 2016 by Tvrdi1976 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #11 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) With the same number of battles as Aoba is the past week (and by this point, I doubt only the good players are playing it) the ship seems more than just a "good ship." None of the other Soviet cruisers show such disparity compared to the other cruisers like this one does. Yeah it looks insanley OP, but Tier III-V looks way too good as well. EDIT: From Tier III to Tier IX, the Russian cruisers does most damage AND gets the most frags among the silver ships, this is clearly the same as with the Russian DDs they had to nerf after a while. The Russian bias is strong with WG, as expected by now, but it is strange that all the supertesters and video makers and such could not see this? Edited March 31, 2016 by von_Boeg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,377 battles Report post #12 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Yeah it looks insanley OP, but Tier III-V looks way too good as well. Not as good as this one. Kirov only manages 54% WR, Svetlana 52%. Shchors is doing just as good as Budyony but at least it has way less number of battles so it has the benefit of not being statistically relevant, but it still only has 56% winrate to Budyony's 58% (and only 2k more damage for 33% more firepower). Also, Kirov does 8k more damage than the best next ship. Budy does 15k more damage. Edited March 31, 2016 by Takeda92 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #13 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Not as good as this one. Kirov only manages 54% WR, Svetlana 52%. Shchors is doing just as good as Budyony but at least it has way less number of battles so it has the benefit of not being statistically relevant, but it still only has 56% winrate to Budyony's 58% (and only 2k more damage for 33% more firepower). Also, Kirov does 8k more damage than the best next ship. Budy does 15k more damage. Sure, Tier VI is an exception, just as Tier VII was one among the Russian DDs, but the whole line was clearly too strong before the nerf, just as here. The real question here is: Why do they do this? Is it pure Russian nationalistic pride, or is it some kind of ruse to focus on grinding a new line? I would logically suspect the latter, but then again, this did not happen with the German ships, so I do not dismiss the former out of hand. Edited March 31, 2016 by von_Boeg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 12,975 posts 13,551 battles Report post #14 Posted March 31, 2016 Is it pure Russian nationalistic pride, or is it some kind of ruse to focus on grinding a new line? I would logically suspect the latter, but then again, this did not happen with the German ships, so I do not dismiss the former out of hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,377 battles Report post #15 Posted March 31, 2016 Sure, Tier VI is an exception, just as Tier VII was one among the Russian DDs, but the whole line was clearly too strong before the nerf, just as here. The real question here is: Why do they do this? Is it pure Russian nationalistic pride, or is it some kind of ruse to focus on grinding a new line? I would logically suspect the latter, but then again, this did not happen with the German ships, so I do not dismiss the former out of hand. It's most likely an oversight from the devs and insufficient testing. There's no way they will leave a ship OP like that if it continues to perform like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #16 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Got a point there, and it also makes a great argument for more Russian ships: "Hey, lets make all Russian ships very powerful so more folks will play them and we can say that we have to produce more Russian ships since they are so popular!" It's most likely an oversight from the devs and insufficient testing. There's no way they will leave a ship OP like that if it continues to perform like this. No, I also think that there will be a nerf, no question about that. But I do not think it is an oversight. Edited March 31, 2016 by von_Boeg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XTHD Players 341 posts 8,322 battles Report post #17 Posted March 31, 2016 Sure, Tier VI is an exception, just as Tier VII was one among the Russian DDs, but the whole line was clearly too strong before the nerf, just as here. The real question here is: Why do they do this? I'm not sure what you're smoking, but the Russian DDs with the exception of Kiev were not even close to being "too strong". Decent is a better term, and hilariously useless is how you could describe them after. Kiev was only slightly too good, and the absolute smashing with the nerf sledgehammer it received wasn't needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #18 Posted March 31, 2016 Is it pure Russian nationalistic pride, or is it some kind of ruse to focus on grinding a new line? I would logically suspect the latter, but then again, this did not happen with the German ships, so I do not dismiss the former out of hand. Nationalist pride, that must be why RU DDs have only received nerfs since being introduced (and even before that). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #19 Posted March 31, 2016 Nationalist pride, that must be why RU DDs have only received nerfs since being introduced (and even before that). They are getting buffed next patch from what I've heard though? Add that to the fact that they are about the only DDs that dont get affected by Radar that much and they are still not bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #20 Posted March 31, 2016 I'm not sure what you're smoking, but the Russian DDs with the exception of Kiev were not even close to being "too strong". Decent is a better term, and hilariously useless is how you could describe them after. Kiev was only slightly too good, and the absolute smashing with the nerf sledgehammer it received wasn't needed. Before the usual "funny" comments about smoking you might look at the stats; the only Tier where RU DDs are inferior then all the others at the moment is Tier II. Tier VII is still silly strong, even stronger then the premium Polish tub. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MATREKUS Players 377 posts 4,311 battles Report post #21 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Before the usual "funny" comments about smoking you might look at the stats; the only Tier where RU DDs are inferior then all the others at the moment is Tier II. Tier VII is still silly strong, even stronger then the premium Polish tub. I have both ships, you really dont know what the f are you talking about.. I expect you to play RU DDs, specially Kiev and Tashkent....but you arent right? Cause they are so f*****g OP Edited March 31, 2016 by Tvrdi1976 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 12,975 posts 13,551 battles Report post #22 Posted March 31, 2016 Got a point there, and it also makes a great argument for more Russian ships: "Hey, lets make all Russian ships very powerful so more folks will play them and we can say that we have to produce more Russian ships since they are so popular!" Its no secret WG always focused on their "homeland" playerbase. Also I guess having easier access to national archives to dig in tank/ship projects can help up with releasing new stuff. Although looking at QA topic "glass cannon long range spammer" cruisers aren't exactly RU flavor - looking at tanks they are mostly "in your face" kind of players, so I guess brawler battleships would earn warmer greeting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #23 Posted March 31, 2016 Guys guys, the thread is about the tir 6 Buddy. And As Im sure you will be able to notice, it is downright OP. Its max armor is 140 and gives it great protection, even better than the one of the tier 7 and 8. And it has great firepower and neat mobility. Now, I haven't played it, but I base my observation on looking at its stats ingame and the posted statistics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #24 Posted March 31, 2016 I have both ships, you really dont know what the f are you talking about.. Good for you, but that does not tell us anything. Look at the stats if you want to be informed instead of throwing insults, it makes you look like you have no argument if you have to resort to that kind of language. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sterbu1 Players 49 posts 5,133 battles Report post #25 Posted March 31, 2016 1) Winrate means nothing regarding this particular topic 2) Budyonny was in this short period, mainly used by VERY experienced players. Other ships arent. 3) Where is kill to death ratio? Kirov and Bud are very easy to oneshot... I think point 2 is valid, probably a risk for biased stats now considering grinders have it and the average playerbase havent researched it yet. Its probably a good ship for tier but we will have to wait a while longer for confermation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
