German technology tree

[Deamon93]

I was wondering, where is it possible to place the WWII-era Bremse training ship? At 2000 tons (full load) and 29 knots it appears to be a small destroyer, but it doesn't have torpedoes. Low tier (premium?) cruiser? How low?

 

Speed aside seems like a tier I candidate.

[Ainene]

Speed aside seems like a tier I candidate.

Asked about her. Way too fast. But ofc, Artillerieschulschiffe as level 1 could be logical. =)

 

 

 

[RedBear87]

Asked about her. Way too fast. But ofc, Artillerieschulschiffe as level 1 could be logical. =)

 

Did you ask it here on the EU forum? As for Artillerieschulschiffe, are you referring to Brummer? She appears too weakly armed to compete against other tier I cruisers.

 

Incidentally I thought about this ship after seeing that picture on this Russian blog. There are really many beautiful pictures I never saw before. He appears to lament that Bremse couldn't take 350 mines like some sources say, doesn't he?

[Deamon93]

Asked about her. Way too fast. But ofc, Artillerieschulschiffe as level 1 could be logical. =)

 

 

 

 

Indeed she is too fast since the other tier Is have a maximum speed of around 20 knots. We'll see which one will be considered for tier I

 

Did you ask it here on the EU forum? As for Artillerieschulschiffe, are you referring to Brummer? She appears too weakly armed to compete against other tier I cruisers.

 

Incidentally I thought about this ship after seeing that picture on this Russian blog. There are really many beautiful pictures I never saw before. He appears to lament that Bremse couldn't take 350 mines like some sources say, doesn't he?

 

Isn't Brummer still too fast? She had a maximum speed of 28 knots, right?

[RedBear87]

Isn't Brummer still too fast? She had a maximum speed of 28 knots, right?

I'm talking about this Brummer, the Artillerieschulschiffe.

[Deamon93]

I'm talking about this Brummer, the Artillerieschulschiffe.

 

Ah ok, i thought the WWI one. She could be fine although the 105 mm may be a bit weak.

[RedBear87]

Ah ok, i thought the WWI one. She could be fine although the 105 mm may be a bit weak.

This one is probably the ship identified as tier I in the currently known tech tree. But indeed the armament is weak, the other two tier I have 152mm/6-in guns.

[Kampfgruppe_H]

We will never let His Lordship John "Jackie" Fisher rest in peace, won't we?

 

 

The last thing that could be associated with Jackie Fisher is "peace".  He was a restless man full of energy - the only person who ever tired him out was Churchill I think.  I don't think he'd require rest now he's in the grave!

[Adwaenyth]

 

Your looking at high tier Battleships! Up to tier 4 or 5 the German navy has lots of choice! Remember up till 1918 they were the second or 3rd biggest navy in the world. after that there is a problem, as you say high tiers there is very little choice for the Germans and almost nothing for the Russians.

 

Well the guess is that they will fill the gaps with concepts and design studies like in WoT. tier 3-5 will most likely be "Nassau", "Kaiser"/"König" and "Bayern" class battleships. Then we'd have a gap at tier 6 that would needed to be filled and could continue with "Scharnhorst" at 7 (for example these could be upgunned with the 6x38 cm guns and pe perfectly valid at tier 7) and "Bismarck" at 8 with H39 and H41 being tier 9 and 10 battleships. So the battleship line would be quite easy to accomplish.

 

Question is how would you classify the Moltke, Seydlitz and Derfflinger class WWI battlecruisers and the Deutschland-class Panzerschiffe. The first ones were rather compareable to battleships of their time (and even engaged in battleship fleet action like Jutland rather effectively considering the odds) while the later ones were rather concepts for heavy raider vessels that were strong enough to fend of enemy cruisers with their powerful primary artillery but not powerful enough to engage WWII battlecruisers or battleships. So while the british called them "pocket battleships" these were clearly cruisers - however armed with rather battlecruiser/battleship sized main guns - although only 6 of these.

[mr3awsome]

 

Well the guess is that they will fill the gaps with concepts and design studies like in WoT. tier 3-5 will most likely be "Nassau", "Kaiser"/"König" and "Bayern" class battleships. Then we'd have a gap at tier 6 that would needed to be filled and could continue with "Scharnhorst" at 7 (for example these could be upgunned with the 6x38 cm guns and pe perfectly valid at tier 7) and "Bismarck" at 8 with H39 and H41 being tier 9 and 10 battleships. So the battleship line would be quite easy to accomplish.

 

Question is how would you classify the Moltke, Seydlitz and Derfflinger class WWI battlecruisers and the Deutschland-class Panzerschiffe. The first ones were rather compareable to battleships of their time (and even engaged in battleship fleet action like Jutland rather effectively considering the odds) while the later ones were rather concepts for heavy raider vessels that were strong enough to fend of enemy cruisers with their powerful primary artillery but not powerful enough to engage WWII battlecruisers or battleships. So while the british called them "pocket battleships" these were clearly cruisers - however armed with rather battlecruiser/battleship sized main guns - although only 6 of these.

 

Bayern will likely be a tier 6, being very comparable to the other known ones (QEs, Rs & Fuso)

Same applies to the Konig's and tier 5.

The Kaiser's would be tier 4, with the Nassau's at tier 3.

 

Regarding battlecruisers, they can be tiered equally with the battleships. The same applies for all nations.

 

The Deutschlands are an unknown.

[Dexxas]

Yeah...

I know this names. What i wrote was meant otherwise. In game we have (meanwhile) only 4 classes. In WoT are 5 classes.In WoWp are 4 classes. I tried to classify ships as best they can to the closest class + Germans have really poor choice of vessels. I take into account only to the current situation. At the moment are permissible only two classes of ships for Germany. Battleships and carriers hardly, perhaps as a premium.

 

Schnelboot would be able to diversify and I think it would be fun to play with them. Naval mines would be very "uncomfortable"

 

Here is picture 

 

What german have Poor classes, Russia come before german ? I don't know any big sea fight on Russia. And I don't know that Russia had any Battleship in WWII there build on their own.

 

German Battleships:

H-class

Scharnhorst class

Bayern class

König class

Kaiser class

Helgoland class

Nassau class

Deutschland class

Braunschweig class

Wittelsbach class

Kaiser Friedrich III class

Brandenburg class

Cruisers:

Gazelle class

Bremen class

Königsberg class

Dresden class

Kolberg class

Magdeburg class

Karlsruhe class

Graudenz class

Pillau class

Wiesbaden class

Königsberg class

Brummer class

Cöln class

Emden

Königsberg class

Leipzig class

M class

Destroyers: watch at Wiki

And I find some Carrier classes drawings on the internet.

 

 

I thing there are more than enough classes  fore Germany mutch more than Russia I thing.

And I find some Carrier classes drawings on the internet.

So Germany was an impotent naval power in WWII much more than Russia.

[mr3awsome]

Germany wasn't an important naval power in World War II.

However, it was a larger naval power than the USSR or Russia.

[JohnQuincyAdams]

Germany wasn't an important naval power in World War II.

 

He said "impotent" though, so I guess y'all agree then?

[nafnist]

Loose lips sink ships.

[Conquerorship_SEA_2014]

From the Q&A with Ivan Moroz on 23/1/2015,The Kriegsmarine Navy will become the fourth tech tree in WoWs,after the Russian Navy  although both of them will be incomplete and the Royal Navy will be released around next year.
 

So its a yay    for the Kriegsmarine Navy fans and a nay    for the RN fans.Personally I still want to see the RN to be third in WoWs  but WG as usual business        .However,at least  WG will have more time to work on the RN tech tree and release them completely with all the cruiser,BB,DD and CV classes and release them in high quality ,so its not a totally bad news over all .
 

 

[RedBear87]

From the Q&A with Ivan Moroz on 23/1/2015,The Kriegsmarine Navy will become the fourth tech tree in WoWs,after the Russian Navy  although both of them will be incomplete and the Royal Navy will be released around next year.

*Insert sh!tstorm meme here*

Would you mind giving us the timing for this particular question?

EDIT: Found it at 25:24. It actually seems to say that Germany would be the 3rd followed by Russia during the same year. Am I hearing bad?

[Conquerorship_SEA_2014]

*Insert sh!tstorm meme here*

Would you mind giving us the timing for this particular question?

EDIT: Found it at 25:24. It actually seems to say that Germany would be the 3rd followed by Russia during the same year. Am I hearing bad?

 

I think so,here is a summary about that Q&A stream  from the Asia forum :http://forum.worldofwarships.asia/index.php?/topic/1695-picked-up-some-things-from-the-wows-stream/

[RedBear87]

I think so,here is a summary about that Q&A stream  from the Asia forum :http://forum.worldofwarships.asia/index.php?/topic/1695-picked-up-some-things-from-the-wows-stream/

Thanks. I'm quite surprised this hasn't been discussed before on either this forum or the American one.

[mr3awsome]

We kept discussion to private.

Needless to say there are angry people.

And happy too, but "wehraboos" are everywhere.

 

Anyway, have some Big Cruisers

http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/SM_Studienentwurf/

[Conquerorship_SEA_2014]

Thanks. I'm quite surprised this hasn't been discussed before on either this forum or the American one.

Actually this has been discussed on the American one but its in the  section  so I cant tell you  much about it due to NDA.

[RedBear87]

We kept discussion to private.

That's a shame, I don't think there's anything that prevents this from being discussed publicly, even though it doesn't probably make much of a difference given the current percentage of alpha testers between the active forum population. RE-EDIT: I mean, that video and post in the Asian forum are publicly accessible.

Anyway now that I think about it I guess that's what Super was referring to the other day.

Actually this has been discussed on the American one but its in the  section  so I cant tell you  much about it due to NDA.

Found the topic now actually.

EDIT: *grabbed my popcorn*

[mr3awsome]

Found the topic now actually.

EDIT: *grabbed my popcorn*

 

The one beginning with a Churchill quote or the other one?

[Ainene]

Found the topic now actually.

where?)

[RedBear87]

The one beginning with a Churchill quote or the other one?

The one talking about Russian ships at the beginning. Is there another one? Hints? Or just send a PM to me and Ainene perhaps. Found it, it's the "We shall fight on the beaches" one, isn't it? Almost done reading the first one, then I'll move to that other one.

where?)

General alpha section of the NA forum.

[mr3awsome]

The one talking about Russian ships at the beginning. Is there another one? Hints? Or just send a PM to me and Ainene perhaps. Found it, it's the "We shall fight on the beaches" one, isn't it? Almost done reading the first one, then I'll move to that other one.

General alpha section of the NA forum.

 

Indeed.