HMS Campbeltown

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

Yep interesting thread but it shouldn't replace this one which is about trying to find out why WG has decided to discriminate against a whole bunch of people on the EU server who would really like to BUY the HMS Campbelltown...

 

 

Why would anyone want to buy that ultra-weak ship?

 

For historical reasons?

 

Buy a book about that story, or a painting, or a model of the ship -  wanting to have it in your digital port only for "historical resaons" is pretty dumb imho....

[HMS_Worcester]

 

Yep interesting thread but it shouldn't replace this one which is about trying to find out why WG has decided to discriminate against a whole bunch of people on the EU server who would really like to BUY the HMS Campbelltown...

 

AND yes I know the it's a POS but it is at least another ship that can be used to train RN Captains.

 

No I'm not saying it should replace this thread, I was just showing where my post was from.

 

 

Why would anyone want to buy that ultra-weak ship?

 

For historical reasons?

 

Buy a book about that story, or a painting, or a model of the ship -  wanting to have it in your digital port only for "historical resaons" is pretty dumb imho....

 

Then I'm dumb, anything else while you are here?

[piet11111]

 

because then they would not be able to gave it out for collecting 12mio diamonds during ongoing event 

 

Actually i expect it to be the profintern based on it being a tier 5 like the kamikaze R also being a tier 5.

A tier 3 dd that is very weak will get them some complaints if that is the reward they are going for.

[T0byJug]

 

Why would anyone want to buy that ultra-weak ship?

 

For historical reasons?

 

Buy a book about that story, or a painting, or a model of the ship -  wanting to have it in your digital port only for "historical resaons" is pretty dumb imho....

 

 

Ok please explain why its ULTRA WEAK?

 

T0byJug, on 02 May 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

OK i have not played the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

thing is Flamu review is flawed. 

Less of the same guns makes the Wickes a better gunboat.

Wakatake DPM is about 15% higher than Campeltown But the turret rotation is way slower. Also chance of fire Almost the same in both ships. The reason i say this is because the higher rate of fire means more shell down range. (fire chance for 1 min of firing in Jap ships is 120% Assuming all shells hit and in RN ship its 105%

 

Torps

 Tube arrangement is a not ideal! but at Much longer range and substantially more Damage on a hit than Wickes or Dirski and RN ship also has the chance to launch without exposing herself to incoming fire. 

 

Wakataki loads faster and torps are almost identical and she can launch 4 in a broadside  instead of just 3. But at Jap ship can get 12 torps in water in 2 mins! Just the same as the RN ship.

 

With 20% more hit points and same DPM give me Campeltown in a gun fight against Jap ship any time! also in a turning fight RN ship will win hands down with guns

 

Campeltown will probably lose a gun fight against Russian or USN DD but her torpedo ability is way better.

 

Flamu Finds the ship underwhelming and she may be.

 

But on paper at least she is a better gun boat than Jap ship and better Stealth torpedo boat than USN or Russian ships. She is an All rounder

 

 

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

 

Ok please explain why its ULTRA WEAK?

 

 

 

 

I don't agree with your view of that ship, sry.

 

For me it's easily the worst tier 3 DD.

[HMS_Worcester]

 

I don't agree with your view of that ship, sry.

 

For me it's easily the worst tier 3 DD.

 

Still does not explain why you feel the need to come to the thread and basically insult those of us who do want her in the game.

[Hanszeehock]

 

I don't agree with your view of that ship, sry.

 

For me it's easily the worst tier 3 DD.

 

I've got her in my Port. Although she is UP, those 7.5km torps get a lot of hits at Tier 3. 

 

To me she is the perfect low tier premium, challenging to do well in for experienced players. We don't all want low tier seal clubbing machines, it's just not fun, for anyone.

[Mayv]

 

 

Ok please explain why its ULTRA WEAK?

 

 

 

 

This is coming from the guy who said the Kuma would be unplayable after the skill changes.

[von_Boeg]

. We don't all want low tier seal clubbing machines, it's just not fun, for anyone.

No, that is reserved for Russian ships...

[von_chom]

No, that is reserved for Russian ships...

 

not only, iwaki and tacobana works well also, with proper capt. ofc 

[Vistulus]

 

I've got her in my Port. Although she is UP, those 7.5km torps get a lot of hits at Tier 3. 

 

To me she is the perfect low tier premium, challenging to do well in for experienced players. We don't all want low tier seal clubbing machines, it's just not fun, for anyone.

 

Well seems half the world has been "given" this ship (which is not a dig at you Hanszeehock) maybe that is where I am going wrong I just want to [edited] give WG money in return for being able to have the ship in my harbor..

 

My question remains...... 

[T0byJug]

 

This is coming from the guy who said the Kuma would be unplayable after the skill changes.

 

Think i said Yubari!!! Not Kuma!

 

and all i am asking is why he thinks she is weak

[Mayv]

 

Think i said Yubari!!! Not Kuma!

 

and all i am asking is why he thinks she is weak

 

I meant THD.

[T0byJug]

 

I meant THD.

 

Aaaaaarrrr I would never slag of the Kuma!! to many Forumites would kill me!!!! Thats why your statement confused me!!!  

 

[creamgravy]

Here's my current top list of low tier destroyers. (Tier 4 destroyers see a fairly big power creep, they get classed with mid tier ships)

 

1. Tachibana (Benson)

2. Storozhevoi (Kiev)

3. Umikaze (Kagero)

4. Derzki (Tashkent)

5. Wakatake (Mutsuki)

6. Wickes/Sampson (?)

 

Sampson and Wickes are fairly unique, they're the only true yolo DD specialists in the game. (I really need to try them out again)

 

Can Smith or Campbeltown top the Banana? Can't wait to find out! (No battleships will get hurt in the process... tehehe)

[piet11111]

Finally the end of ww2 in Europe specials bring us what we all have been waiting for namely discounts on the Atlanta and the Atago :-(

[T0byJug]

Finally the end of ww2 in Europe specials bring us what we all have been waiting for namely discounts on the Atlanta and the Atago :-(

 

Atlanata and Atago are on offer for the Battle of coral Sea not end of WW2 in Europe! to be honest VE day is not that significant in a naval game as the war at sea had been over for months if not a year.

 

Personally I think Wargaming missed an opportunity here. The 3 Closed beta ships (Yubari,Sims and Gremyashchy) were promised at the time that they would not be available for at least 1 year. Well we are passed that, Yubari and Sims took part in the Battle of Coral Sea

[HMS_Worcester]

 

Atlanata and Atago are on offer for the Battle of coral Sea not end of WW2 in Europe! to be honest VE day is not that significant in a naval game as the war at sea had been over for months if not a year.

 

Personally I think Wargaming missed an opportunity here. The 3 Closed beta ships (Yubari,Sims and Gremyashchy) were promised at the time that they would not be available for at least 1 year. Well we are passed that, Yubari and Sims took part in the Battle of Coral Sea

 

Excellent point, WG really have missed an opportunity there.

 

And you are right, VE Day in a naval game does not really make much sense.

[ilhilh]

 

Atlanata and Atago are on offer for the Battle of coral Sea not end of WW2 in Europe! to be honest VE day is not that significant in a naval game as the war at sea had been over for months if not a year.

 

Personally I think Wargaming missed an opportunity here. The 3 Closed beta ships (Yubari,Sims and Gremyashchy) were promised at the time that they would not be available for at least 1 year. Well we are passed that, Yubari and Sims took part in the Battle of Coral Sea

 

As long as they don't start selling the Gremy again.  I like the look of envy on people's faces as I kill them with it

[HMS_Worcester]

 

As long as they don't start selling the Gremy again.  I like the look of envy on people's faces as I kill them with it

 

What is the best way of using the Gremy, I can't seem to get her to work for me? (Yes, I really am that bad!)

[TheCinC]

 

Why would anyone want to buy that ultra-weak ship?

 

For historical reasons?

 

Buy a book about that story, or a painting, or a model of the ship -  wanting to have it in your digital port only for "historical resaons" is pretty dumb imho....

 

*goes to stand in a corner with a dunce cap*

 

I am currently trying to collect all ships that actually existed, at this point there is already no way I can play them all on a regular basis.

I am a huge military history nerd and especially the Royal Navy battleships are VERY dear to me, I've been fascinated with them since I was about 11 (and am a bit older now, if you catch my drift).

So if affordable, I would want her, but I'd prefer to play Umikaze for instance.

As for the comparison with a ships model, I haven't even built the models that I own, I know they won't come out as nice as I'd want them to be.

But being able to view these ships in 3D in game, they are beautifully detailed, I really commend the artists involved on their work.

When I look at my Torpitz, I am amazed at the level of detail and without checking my books, I really can't find any fault with her.

I checked video online of the Bismarck model, she is different from Torpitz in all the right places as far as I could see, even had the correct camo.

I am looking forward to Hipper finally getting her Atlantik bow at some point.

So yeah, I'd get Campbeltown just to give her the odd spin and look at her in game, but she'd never be my favorite ship.

Maybe she will surprise me and I'll play her a bit more than I'd expect, who knows?

[piet11111]

 

Atlanata and Atago are on offer for the Battle of coral Sea not end of WW2 in Europe! to be honest VE day is not that significant in a naval game as the war at sea had been over for months if not a year.

 

Personally I think Wargaming missed an opportunity here. The 3 Closed beta ships (Yubari,Sims and Gremyashchy) were promised at the time that they would not be available for at least 1 year. Well we are passed that, Yubari and Sims took part in the Battle of Coral Sea

 

Actually it is for the end of ww2 in europe.

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/special/special-fleetreview/

 

 Join us to celebrate the end of WWII in Europe with a boatload of bonuses, discounts and one exclusive mission.

 

And the ship discounts are not mentioned in the battle for the coral sea article

 

Also your absolutely right that this would have been a great opportunity to get the pre-order ships out again.

 

[TheCinC]

 

Excellent point, WG really have missed an opportunity there.

 

And you are right, VE Day in a naval game does not really make much sense.

 

Agreed with the first, but not the second.

There were many important naval battles in the European theater of war, from the Battle of the Atlantic and the sinking of the Bismarck to the Battle of the North Cape. One battle, the Battle of the Barents Sea, almost proved the end of the line for the entire German surface fleet! So why not celebrate that? Far more ironic is that we are celebrating this while hardly any European ships are in the game, but that is just the result of the release schedule.

[HMS_Worcester]

 

*goes to stand in a corner with a dunce cap*

 

I am currently trying to collect all ships that actually existed, at this point there is already no way I can play them all on a regular basis.

I am a huge military history nerd and especially the Royal Navy battleships are VERY dear to me, I've been fascinated with them since I was about 11 (and am a bit older now, if you catch my drift).

So if affordable, I would want her, but I'd prefer to play Umikaze for instance.

As for the comparison with a ships model, I haven't even built the models that I own, I know they won't come out as nice as I'd want them to be.

But being able to view these ships in 3D in game, they are beautifully detailed, I really commend the artists involved on their work.

When I look at my Torpitz, I am amazed at the level of detail and without checking my books, I really can't find any fault with her.

I checked video online of the Bismarck model, she is different from Torpitz in all the right places as far as I could see, even had the correct camo.

I am looking forward to Hipper finally getting her Atlantik bow at some point.

So yeah, I'd get Campbeltown just to give her the odd spin and look at her in game, but she'd never be my favorite ship.

Maybe she will surprise me and I'll play her a bit more than I'd expect, who knows?

 

I have heard quite mixed reviews of her, some bad, some quite positive. When I divisioned with Ectar and Deserte the other night, they said she was quite a fun, capable little ship. So I really don't think she is as bad as a number of people are making out.

 

As for THD's silly comment, for someone who seems to value karma points and "being helpful to people" he can be quite rude.

 

 

Agreed with the first, but not the second.

There were many important naval battles in the European theater of war, from the Battle of the Atlantic and the sinking of the Bismarck to the Battle of the North Cape. One battle, the Battle of the Barents Sea, almost proved the end of the line for the entire German surface fleet! So why not celebrate that? Far more ironic is that we are celebrating this while hardly any European ships are in the game, but that is just the result of the release schedule.

 

Oh no I did not mean we should not celebrate the great naval victories/campaigns of the European theatre, I just agreed that VE Day itself was a long time after the great naval battles. I think it is more appropriate to celebrate them on their individual dates.

[ilhilh]

 

What is the best way of using the Gremy, I can't seem to get her to work for me? (Yes, I really am that bad!)

 

EsaTuunen (think I just butchered his name - sorry!) is really the guy to speak to about it - he sent me a load of advice a while back.  I was also struggling massively with it to the point I hadn't taken it out for months but I had specced it as a torp destroyer when it is actually a gunboat so I swapped the modules and retrained the captain and I've never looked back.  Expert marksman for the lvl 2 skill is essential because the turret rotation is horribly slow and gets something like a 50% boost from it.

 

It has decent concealment meaning you can pick anc choose engagements and can invisi fire from about 11km away and that is without the level 5 concealment expert skill which means you can sit and annoy slow BBs and even CAs that can't even see you.  This is quite easy because it has nice firing arcs (much better than the USN DDs).

 

Mainly it is a case of using HE - you use it against DDs, BBs, CVs, angled CAs and most things above about 12km, I say angled because if a CA is 10km or less away from you then you can really punish it with AP because you are accurate and have a fearsome RoF - Just last night I killed a Phoenix in 3 salvoes (so about 12-15 seconds from when I opened fire) because it is citadel after citadel.

 

Whilst you need to be a little wary of some of the other gunboat DDs (nicholas, farragut etc) it is perfectly capable of taking on any DD it meets really.

 

And the torps - it might be a gunboat but it has great torps for its tier with decent range - you can easily stealth fire them and you can wreck lumbering BBs with them but it is situational.  I use them defensively against DDs and then I decide whether I will shoot at a BB or close in and torp... and then shoot.

 

So that is what it can do, but how best to do it?  Well, I still haven't perfected it - too often I get caught out fighting a DD I shouldn't as once you learn what it can do then you sometimes find it gives you too much confidence.  Often it depends on the map and team compositions.  If they have lots of IJN DDs then I will head to their likely locations so that I can bully them and then take it from there.  As I say ambushing cruisers at sub 10km range is a favourite pastime of mine as they think they are hunting you when they really are not.  But if there is too much 'heat' then you can just retreat and annoy them with accurate 10-13km fire.

 

EDIT:  My skills look like:

 

Level 1: Basic Fire Training (130mm guns mean faster reload) + Situational Awareness

Level 2: Expert Marksman (will eventually have Last Stand too)

Level 3: Superintendent (you could get vigilance I suppose, but parking in smoke and shooting people works really well if you have an ally to spot for you so more smoke = better)

Level 4: Advanced Fire Training (extra range)

Level 5: Concealment Expert