PROPOSAL: Full German Destroyer Line (DD)

[1MajorKoenig]

There is some interesting speculating on the US forum on which line is the fourth one to be released in 2016. Hot candidates seem to be British battleships and German destroyers.

 

The latter would be awesome! I hope WG takes a look at this proposal just in case:-)

[SplatterFest]

 

Where i just read it.....

 

I am also a big Fan of a potential Tier II Premium-"DD". The S-100 Class Schnellboot (E-Boat).

It would be an E-25 on the water. Very fast, very small, good Camo but less HP and no armor. As main-armament it would have only two fixed Torpedotubes in the bow (but with good RoF). 

 

It would be total different to all other ships, but i think, it would be very funny to play. 

 

 

 

 

PS: I have written to Walther for the Hamburg-Question.

 

 

Yes YES YEEEES!!!

 

A E-boat is a must, WG fix this as a early prem DD

 

[Dampfboot]

I can smell a premium ship approaching....

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/videos/142-z32/

 

I would say, Tier 7 maybe? What do you think?

[Userext]

I can smell a premium ship approaching....

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/videos/142-z32/

 

I would say, Tier 7 maybe? What do you think?

 

farewell scharnhorst i wont be buying you 

[Krizmuz]

GIB!!!!!!!!!!

[mr3awsome]

I can smell a premium ship approaching....

 

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/videos/142-z32/

 

I would say, Tier 7 maybe? What do you think?

 

Tier 7 sounds about right.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Tier 7 sounds about right.

 

​MrA: what would be your Tier 7/

[mr3awsome]

​MrA: what would be your Tier 7/

For German DDs?

 

Type 36 A, or one of the Mobs depending on what the preferred AA fit would be. 

[Userext]

 

 

A serious question here guys. WG labeled german destroyers as cruisers in disguise. Now i know they have 150mm canons and little bigger than average destroyer but what could they add to seperate soviet destroyers from kriegsmarine destroyers

[1MajorKoenig]

Darth Glorious said the German DD is being worked on. Apparently from some Chinese source. If that is true this would be awesome news!

 

The line's style? I guess bigger artillery @ 150mm (no AFT?). If this is enough to differentiate from the Soviet ships? I don't know but am inclined to think yes

[Userext]

Darth Glorious said the German DD is being worked on. Apparently from some Chinese source. If that is true this would be awesome news!

 

The line's style? I guess bigger artillery @ 150mm (no AFT?). If this is enough to differentiate from the Soviet ships? I don't know but am inclined to think yes

 

Having 20mm higher calibre guns doesnt really make the diffrence. Look how diffrent the USDDs from SNDDs. 

[JapLance]

Only a couple of classes will feature 150mm guns (Type 36 A). German destroyers also used 88mm and 105mm (in WW1) and 127mm.

[Comrad_StaIin]

Only a couple of classes will feature 150mm guns (Type 36 A). German destroyers also used 88mm and 105mm (in WW1) and 127mm.

 

the 127mm guns are 128mm

[1MajorKoenig]

Hope there will ne some Kaiserliche Marine Torpedo boats in their famous all-black camo!

[Snowyskies]

Hopefully, yeah. I would really like to see some of the WW1 german destroyers ingame, but I don't agree that the Großes Torpedoboot 1916 is good enough for T5. Neither the guns nor the torpedoes are from what I've gathered anything extraordinary and due to its size you'd assume it wouldn't be that well concealed either. Hamburg is on the other hand much too new and an unnecessary addition to the tree, I don't understand exactly what drawback you see with the Zerstörer 1945 class that would put it at T9 instead of T10? Even the Zerstörer 1944 would be sufficient for T10 in my opinion when compared to Gearing (with the right torpedo/torpedo setting).

 

Here's my own take (copied from a post { http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/80491-german-destroyers-a-choice-between-light-vs-heavy/page__st__20__pid__1976223#entry1976223 } I did on the NA forum):

 

Tier 2

Großes Torpedoboot 1913 (V 25) - 33 knots, 3x1 88 mm, 2x2 centerline, 2x1 sides 500mm G6/G7 torpedo

Großes Torpedoboot 1916 Mob (G 96) - 32 knots, 3x1 105 mm, 2x2 centerline, 2x1 sides 500mm G6?/G7 torpedo

 

Tier 3

Großes Torpedoboot 1914A (G 101) - 33 knots, 4x1 105 mm, 2x2 centerline, 2x1 sides G6?/G7 torpedo

Großes Torpedoboot 1914R (B 97) - 36 knots, 4x1 105 mm, 2x2 centerline, 2x1 sides G6?/G7 torpedo

 

Tier 4

Großes Torpedoboot 1916 (S 113) - 34 knots, 4x1 150 mm, 2x2 centerline 600 mm H8 torpedo

Großes Torpedoboot 1918 Mob (V 170) - 35 knots, 4x1 105 mm, 2x2 centerline, 2x1 side 500 mm G7 torpedo

Torpedoboot 1923/1924 - 32-34 knots, 3x1 105 mm, 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7/G7a torpedo

Torpedoboot 1935/1937 - 35 knots, 1x1 105 mm, 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

 

Tier 5

Flottentorpedoboot 1939 - 32 knots, 4x1 105 mm, 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

Flottentorpedoboot 1941 - 34 knots, 4x1 105 mm, 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

 

Tier 6

Flottentorpedoboot 1940 - 35 knots, 4x1 128 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

Flottentorpedoboot 1941 A - 34 knots, 3x2 105 mm (DP), 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo - paper, required machinery that wasn't available

Flottentorpedoboot 1944 - 37 knots, 2x2 105 mm (DP), 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo - ordered but cancelled

 

Tier 7

Zerstörer 1938 B - 36 knots, 2x2 128 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo - ordered but cancelled

Zerstörer 1942 - 36 knots, 4x1 128 mm, 2x3 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

 

Tier 8

Zerstörer 1936 A - 36 knots, 4x1 150 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo - without the upgrade to the twin 150 mm

Zerstörer 1934/1934 A - 38 knots, 5x1 128 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

Zerstörer 1936/1936 B - 36 knots, 5x1 128 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

 

Tier 9

Zerstörer 1936 A Mob - 36 knots, 3x1 1x2 150 mm, 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

Zerstörer 1936 C - 37 knots, 3x2 128 mm (DP), 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

 

Tier 10

Zerstörer 1944 - 37 knots, 3x2 128 mm (DP), 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo

Zerstörer 1945 - 39 knots, 4x2 128 mm (DP), 2x4 centerline 533 mm G7a torpedo - paper

 

(Mostly, but not exclusively, based on navypedia stats.)

T5 is actually the most problematic tier as none of the ships really fit all that well there in my mind. I have to say that overall destroyers are very reliant on soft stats though and the exact torpedo/torpedo setting so its generally pretty easy to shift things around somewhat.

 

[Comrad_StaIin]

I agree with Z45 being tier 10

[Comrad_StaIin]

German DDs when want nao 

 

 

[1MajorKoenig]

I agree with Z45 being tier 10

 

Z45 would also be fine. I somewhat prefer the 101 but Z45 is more likely I guess. If WG intends to make the destroyer "heavy" gunboat style with 150mm MA even the large ocean going paper concepts such as the Spaehkreuzer could appear on T10. I hope for the lighter ones with Z45/101 on top though

[Comrad_StaIin]

upgrade to Hermelin guns would be awesome

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

german DDs could be effective light cruisers or gunboats.

 

atm, the german cruisers are like a hybrid of cruisers, battleships and destroyers. at least they feel like that. atm, cruisers are squishy but have good guns. the Problem is AP. you either need close ranges (low archs) in combination with good angles or superiour range and Patience (ballistic shells).

 

the first condition is either suicide (poorest survivability) or very, very situational (ambush).

 

if ze germans get destroyers and battleships, cruisers need a revamp to make them fit their role and not all three.

[1MajorKoenig]

Darth Glorious posted that the German destroyers are being worked on. Apparently from a Chinese source. That is exciting!

[creamgravy]

Awesome! What premium destroyers should we get? Z32 is the obvious one but what about tier 2? How about SMS G42 as a tier 3 premium? They had a very eventful WW1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_G42 

 

Oh and I did this torpedo conversion table a while back from Navweaps for German DDs.

 

 

Tier	Torpedo	Range (km)	Speed (Knots)	Detection (km)	Damage	Number	Reload	Ship Concealment	Launch distance	Time to Target (s)	Time in water (s)	Reaction time (s)	Vigilance (s)
T2	45cm C/03	4	47	0.8	9328	na	na	6	6	52.4	30.3	6.5	8.2
T2-3	50cm G/6 D long	8	48	0.8	8692	na	na	6	6	51.3	67.3	6.4	8.0
T2-3	50cm G/6 D	4	56	1.2	8692	na	na	6	6	44.0	24.0	8.2	10.3
T4	50cm G/7 long	9	48	0.8	10140	na	na	7	7	59.3	74.5	6.4	8.0
T4	50cm G/7	4	58	1.2	10140	na	na	7	7	49.1	26.5	8.0	9.9
S-113	60cm H8	6	57	1.2	10920	na	na	7	7	49.9	40.5	8.1	10.1
S-113	60cm H8 long	14	51	0.9	10920	na	na	7	7	55.8	105.6	6.8	8.5
T6-10	53.3cm G7a T1	6	65	1.3	13720	na	na	7	7	43.8	35.5	7.7	9.6
T6-10	53.3cm G7a T1 mid	8	61	1.2	13720	na	na	7	7	46.7	50.4	7.6	9.5
T6-10	53.3cm G7a T1 long	14	51	0.9	13720	na	na	7	7	55.8	105.6	6.8	8.5

 

• Overall they're fairly low accuracy but very stealthy. I would reduce reaction times by a second for a historic national trait.
• Higher tier could use 70cm or 75cm prototypes 'found' in archives or they could just alter stats completely, like IJN type 92 torpedoes.
• Navweaps is often utterly useless but WG use it, what can you do...

[byronicasian]

Darth Glorious posted that the German destroyers are being worked on. Apparently from a Chinese source. That is exciting!

 

 

Apparently they're aiming for those to be done by the end of this year.

[Comrad_StaIin]

want

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

Z45 would also be fine. I somewhat prefer the 101 but Z45 is more likely I guess. If WG intends to make the destroyer "heavy" gunboat style with 150mm MA even the large ocean going paper concepts such as the Spaehkreuzer could appear on T10. I hope for the lighter ones with Z45/101 on top though

 

101 would be glorious, but it doesn't fit the timeframe and is impossible to balance with only 4 100mm guns...