Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #76 Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Orlan? - good Novik? - excellent Bogatyr? - excellent Svietlana? - not bad! ;) (sry, low fps) http://wowreplays.com/Replay/3822 Edit: Done with the Svietlana, will have a look at the Kirov from tomorrow on... ;) Edited April 12, 2016 by Trigger_Happy_Dad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #77 Posted April 13, 2016 Something like the kirov will be hard to balance. On the one hand, it can do awesome damage. On the other hand, I cackle with glee everytime I see one, and that's regardless of what I'm in. I decided to charge at one in a destroyer the other day and try killing it with guns. 9 citadels later and it's sinking while I'm sailing away. If it can manage to remain unfocused for what ever reason it can be great. If it gets focused it dies quite quickly, quicker than other cruisers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Littlerift Players 83 posts 1,673 battles Report post #78 Posted April 13, 2016 I'm still not entirely convinced by the statistics. The Kuma is undoubtedly superior to the Svietlana and yet the Svietlana is outperforming it? Again, I think the reason we see such high win-rates (at least at the lower tiers) is because currently you have players of all quality using the Russian cruisers, whereas only new players are likely to be using the older ships. It's not that only the good players have progressed through the tree yet, it's that only new players are still grinding through the low tier IJN and USN ships. I'm not the most experience player, but in my view the Russian destroyers are fairly well balanced. The Novik is fun but not that powerful, the Bogatyr is perhaps overpowered, and the Svietlana, I felt, was a very bad experience. I'm on the Kirov now and I really like her, although she's incredibly fragile - I've received citadels from shots that landed on the last 3 feet of the ship's deck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLAN] KapteinSabeltann Players 232 posts 9,978 battles Report post #79 Posted April 13, 2016 As I said in MrConways thread, the Kirov is kick-[edited]. I don't know what you guys expect but imho she's a beast. She will tear ANY cruiser that shows her the side a new one and against T5 cruisers even penetrate through the front. Yes she is frail, thats what your rudder is for. Fact is, if the kirov had better armour she'd probably be OP. I maintain that she will beat any, Konigsberg, omaha (and it's various derivatives) and Furutaka in a 1v1 fight. She can take the same amount of damage if angled, and has better penetration than any of those. I have never landed the amount of high damage (up to 16k plus damage) broadsides with any other cruiser at T5. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #80 Posted April 14, 2016 As I said in MrConways thread, the Kirov is kick-[edited]. I don't know what you guys expect but imho she's a beast. She will tear ANY cruiser that shows her the side a new one and against T5 cruisers even penetrate through the front. Yes she is frail, thats what your rudder is for. Fact is, if the kirov had better armour she'd probably be OP. I maintain that she will beat any, Konigsberg, omaha (and it's various derivatives) and Furutaka in a 1v1 fight. She can take the same amount of damage if angled, and has better penetration than any of those. I have never landed the amount of high damage (up to 16k plus damage) broadsides with any other cruiser at T5. I get 6k salvoes with AP against Kirov in my Murmansk. From any angle. I dodged his return fire... I agree with your post but that rudder is slow and your luck will run out. Kirovs are my new mexicos new favourite food. So the nurnbergs can breathe a sigh of relief... But yea. Those guns. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #81 Posted April 26, 2016 Sorry I have missed preparing the stats for the week before last, had to change laptop due to a unforseen tea incident. Anyway, here are the stats for last week: Nation tier name players win exp damage caused JP 2 Chikuma 218 46.55 447 11897 KM 2 Dresden 467 47.86 418 12413 SN 2 Novik 121 46.4 377 11609 US 2 Chester 293 45.26 388 8802 JP 3 Tenryu 1160 47.6 509 14340 KM 3 Kolberg 1638 48.15 465 12887 SN 3 Bogatyr 1115 49.45 524 21576 US 3 St. Louis 2683 49.21 460 17188 JP 4 Kuma 1419 49.63 575 19718 KM 4 Karlsruhe 2010 48.24 512 13866 SN 4 Svietlana 2168 49.58 584 21560 US 4 Phoenix 1703 48.96 607 17169 JP 5 Furutaka 1496 48.82 718 18544 KM 5 Koenigsberg 2948 48.15 666 21634 SN 5 Kirov 2362 49.25 760 26261 US 5 Omaha 2129 48.75 691 20485 JP 6 Aoba 1326 48.72 853 23564 KM 6 Nurnberg 2594 47.21 761 20521 SN 6 Budyonny 1219 52.27 1097 34147 US 6 Cleveland 2479 49.67 811 23265 JP 7 Myoko 1872 49.48 971 31013 KM 7 Yorck 2364 48.04 915 24416 SN 7 Shchors 629 52.6 1301 38529 US 7 Pensacola 2152 48.02 991 26061 The Russian cruisers are still too strong compared to other silver ships, there is no question about that by now I would say. The incoming buff to the Kirov is ridicolous when we look at these numbers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #82 Posted April 27, 2016 Give them some time , bots afkers and red as a brick players need to grind to those "high leve" ships like kirov or bdionny or shchors then they will smahs their stats into the ground :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #83 Posted May 2, 2016 New week, new stats: tier name players win exp damage caused 2 Chikuma 248 45.17 447 11538 2 Dresden 531 47.53 449 13577 2 Novik 141 46.03 358 10969 2 Chester 322 44.34 389 9073 3 Tenryu 1322 47.6 499 13504 3 Kolberg 1801 47.81 453 12106 3 Bogatyr 1040 49.84 522 19920 3 St. Louis 2831 48.98 454 16051 4 Kuma 1555 49.42 590 19483 4 Karlsruhe 2141 48.11 522 13901 4 Svietlana 2034 49.33 593 20980 4 Phoenix 1728 48.4 612 16735 5 Furutaka 1531 48.32 741 18708 5 Koenigsberg 3216 48.57 695 22064 5 Kirov 2604 49.71 784 26298 5 Omaha 2291 48.91 712 20880 6 Aoba 1442 49.5 901 24412 6 Nurnberg 2789 47.45 802 21611 6 Budyonny 1483 52.09 1099 34299 6 Cleveland 2857 49.15 850 24329 7 Myoko 1890 49.81 1014 32136 7 Yorck 2403 48.45 956 25416 7 Shchors 712 52.71 1310 39631 7 Pensacola 2202 48.18 1042 26943 When will WG start to adress this? The Russian cruisers ARE BETTER then the other cruisers, there are no question about this. I guess after they have started to sell next OP Russian cruiser... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[INX] Omnichr0n Players 174 posts 9,582 battles Report post #84 Posted May 3, 2016 Whilst I didn't like the Kirov as much (although I liked it better than the Svietlana), I am currently using my Budyonny and... it's an insanely good ship. I mean, those cannons just feel so precise and even though they don't do a ton of damage, the consistent spam of shots just destroys anything. I've been in situations with that ship where the enemy has a clear 2:1 advantage in cruisers, and I feel confident I can handle the task of destroying them... and I was actually right. In comparison, in my Aoba (which I feel I've been somewhat unlucky with), I feel like I have to be much more careful and can't really dash out anything like the Budyonny... So yeah... I think that the cruiser line of the Soviets are too strong as they are now. I don't want my Budyonny to get nerfed, but seriously... it is just way too good as it is now imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONE] CavScorpion_2014 Players 186 posts 8,552 battles Report post #85 Posted May 3, 2016 Didn't note much special till the Kirov yesterday, but sub Tier V, who really cares anyway unless you are a serial seal clubber. The Kirov though - pure glass cannon sniper and it has much love from me, I can see how good players are OP with and poor players suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Unintentional_submarine [SPUDS] Beta Tester 4,052 posts 8,765 battles Report post #86 Posted May 3, 2016 Give them some time , bots afkers and red as a brick players need to grind to those "high leve" ships like kirov or bdionny or shchors then they will smahs their stats into the ground :p Those types are among those counted. Look at Bogatyr and Svietlana. Bogatyr beats out Seal-Clubber Extraordinaire St. Louis, and Svietlana just edges out the love-boat Kuma. When the Germans were introduced, this wasn't the result. Initially they did well, true. But after a month or so their low tier ships were dropping like stones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[INX] Omnichr0n Players 174 posts 9,582 battles Report post #87 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Totally balanced Replay here if interested Edited May 3, 2016 by Omnichr0n Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #88 Posted May 4, 2016 Am ok with Bogatyr and Svietlana. They are so much fun I use them to er seal club Kirov WR doesn't look too out of whack and I expect her damage to be higher because she's a badly armoured battleship WR is the key not damage. Buddy and Shchors look OP to me. It may be that experienced players are still affecting the stats (I'm experienced and I am up to Buddy) but generally the WR looks suspiciously high. Honestly do not thing Kirov needs a nerf. She *will* do more damage but she will also die more (or should. Stats?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #89 Posted May 4, 2016 I'm at tier 6 right now. In my opinion, Kirov could still have its guns slightly nerfed. Reload is really long, and damage I think is more or less correct for 180mm guns, so dispersion and shell speed are the only parameters that could be touched. It already has laughable armour, and the manoeuvrability is bad, so I don't think it is possible to make it worse in those aspects. Budiony is just more of the same, but with good armour (for a cruiser, nothing extraordinary) in exchange for slightly less OP guns at its tier. Being a paper ship, I can see more room for changes in this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
byronicasian Players 391 posts Report post #90 Posted May 4, 2016 I'm at tier 6 right now. In my opinion, Kirov could still have its guns slightly nerfed. Reload is really long, and damage I think is more or less correct for 180mm guns, so dispersion and shell speed are the only parameters that could be touched. It already has laughable armour, and the manoeuvrability is bad, so I don't think it is possible to make it worse in those aspects. Budiony is just more of the same, but with good armour (for a cruiser, nothing extraordinary) in exchange for slightly less OP guns at its tier. Being a paper ship, I can see more room for changes in this one. I don't think they can nerf the velocity any further. It's already down to 800 vs 920. Any further you're getting Cleveland quality arcs (with less guns), but with no RoF to compensate for the difficulty aiming (plus degraded pen performance b/c of the lower shell speed). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #91 Posted May 4, 2016 Honestly don't think Kirov needs any nerf. Damage is largely irrelevant so long as: - WR is around 48-49% - XP is amended for her higher than normal damage (just like a bb) For Buddyonny and Shchors if their WR stays above 50-51% consistently, they are OP and need the nerf bat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POPPY] Khitan Players 110 posts 25,911 battles Report post #92 Posted May 6, 2016 Just bought the kirov because of diamond mission and it is a nice ship. Massive glass cannon though. Doesn't need a nerf as it's guns are the only decent thing it has. I tend to play it like a red line BB until I know it's safe to proceed. It's too flimsy and unagile to go front/mid line skirmishing with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #93 Posted May 9, 2016 Just bought the kirov because of diamond mission and it is a nice ship. Massive glass cannon though. Doesn't need a nerf as it's guns are the only decent thing it has. I tend to play it like a red line BB until I know it's safe to proceed. It's too flimsy and unagile to go front/mid line skirmishing with. Oh it is the best Tier V cruiser, by far. I have played it quite a lot during GNB and I can go toe to toe with higher tier cruisers and BBs no problem. As long as you get the hang of it, it seems too strong and the stats supports that notion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #94 Posted May 9, 2016 New week, new stats. Is there anyone that can claim that the Russian cruisers are not the best line any more? I added what we have on the Molotov as well; it is not a lot yet but it is in line with what I suspected: tier name players win exp damage caused 2 Chikuma 185 49.93 602 12674 2 Dresden 482 48.64 559 13821 2 Novik 105 45.77 453 11011 2 Chester 251 45.31 522 9393 3 Tenryu 1276 47.21 611 12971 3 Kolberg 1843 46.67 556 11403 3 Bogatyr 1070 48.91 606 19026 3 St. Louis 3127 48.79 555 15244 4 Kuma 1885 49.57 680 19191 4 Karlsruhe 2724 46.84 597 13073 4 Svietlana 2526 49.69 695 20756 4 Phoenix 2276 48.29 697 15695 5 Furutaka 1840 48.06 849 18621 5 Koenigsberg 3824 48.44 801 21969 5 Kirov 3595 49.65 878 26620 5 Omaha 2764 48.11 834 20715 6 Aoba 1865 48.9 1027 24323 6 Nurnberg 3629 47.69 924 21562 6 Budyonny 2327 51.92 1154 33597 6 Cleveland 3613 48.94 965 23856 7 Myoko 1883 49.3 1150 31421 7 Yorck 2623 48.12 1074 25079 7 Shchors 1022 52.22 1315 37990 7 Pensacola 2086 48.09 1162 25671 8 Mogami 1422 48.96 1199 33478 8 Admiral Hipper 1633 47.91 1162 29388 8 Chapayev 394 53.07 1448 38908 8 New Orleans 1106 47.72 1234 28645 6 Molotov 3 68.33 1687 51171 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reizt Players 2 posts 272 battles Report post #95 Posted May 10, 2016 Wery bad localization. Svietlana - incorrect, correct Svetlana. It's russian girl's name. Moskva - Moscow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xytras Players 8 posts 3,138 battles Report post #96 Posted May 12, 2016 If I remember well, russian ships were absolutly crap compared to all others: even France had better ships! But it's much better to be competitiv with a ship for 60's with WW2 ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poster_2015 Players 695 posts Report post #97 Posted May 13, 2016 Honestly don't think Kirov needs any nerf. Damage is largely irrelevant so long as: - WR is around 48-49% - XP is amended for her higher than normal damage (just like a bb) For Buddyonny and Shchors if their WR stays above 50-51% consistently, they are OP and need the nerf bat Considering we dont have draws anymore, why is a 50-51% WR that bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pajosaurus Players 472 posts 3,545 battles Report post #98 Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) I just can't get into Kirov. Nice precise guns with good range, but she takes horrendous damage from everything and turns like a brick to boot. She's no fun to play at all. Doesn't fit my aggressive playstyle at all. Edited May 14, 2016 by Pajosaurus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #99 Posted May 16, 2016 New week, new stats: tier name players win exp damage caused 2 Chikuma 177 47.48 523 12271 2 Dresden 422 49.66 520 14933 2 Novik 110 50.32 423 11974 2 Chester 235 45.53 461 9322 3 Tenryu 921 47.16 534 12208 3 Kolberg 1259 46.82 485 10645 3 Bogatyr 756 49.12 521 18464 3 St. Louis 2107 48.14 490 14616 4 Kuma 1591 48.66 583 18298 4 Karlsruhe 2185 46.9 518 12460 4 Svietlana 1771 49.09 588 19346 4 Phoenix 1819 48.5 615 15491 5 Furutaka 1407 47.71 733 18100 5 Koenigsberg 3089 47.78 690 21082 5 Kirov 2444 49.17 761 25232 5 Omaha 2139 48.28 704 19770 6 Aoba 1490 48.87 907 24456 6 Nurnberg 3051 47.45 804 21228 6 Budyonny 2167 51.2 1063 33372 6 Cleveland 3070 49.05 858 24101 7 Myoko 1321 48.82 985 29896 7 Yorck 1867 46.81 912 23942 7 Shchors 919 51.27 1236 37614 7 Pensacola 1473 47.01 1011 25422 8 Mogami 998 49.03 1087 33230 8 Admiral Hipper 1158 46.84 1065 29274 8 Chapayev 368 50.86 1364 38080 8 New Orleans 800 47.35 1130 28183 The Russian crusers are still better then any other nations silver crusiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #100 Posted May 16, 2016 The Russian crusers are still better then any other nations silver crusiers. So ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
