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[xeransa]

 

 

 

I don't believe in skipping tiers but I played the tier 2 and 3 on the NA server so skipped them for 4 on EU.

Tier 2 was fine but the arc was painful

Tier 3 was fine with the same arc as the 2

Tier 4 is pretty decent really enjoying it but I see a lot of bad players slating it

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1st Kirov game where I wasn't matched against Tier 7's I get detonated with the very first shell (or bomb in this case) that hits me. Done with the game for today. I can't make the ship perform against ships that have twice the health, armor and guns consistently. Not to mention the fact that I feel like the Russian ships are being focused cause they're new and people are trying to figure out their weaknesses, I had 4 BB's shooting at me 15km away when no less than 7 friendly ships were between me and them, the closest ones being DD's no more than 4km away from them. Crazy. 

 

It feels like a good ship, but there's only so much anyone can do when every game you're put against ships that are simply better.

[OldGrandad]

Please tell me it gets better than the kirov.

 

4km torps and a 14 second reload on tier 5? What the hell, come on.

 

Weak guns too.

 

You really should grind the ships instead of freeing XP to go up the tree as you will better understand the shortcomings of the RU CA line (there are a lot!). Still on the Svietlana and now knowing it stay at safe distance and use its 15 guns to best use, Torp angles are awesome  and are a saviour when chasing or running. Kirov has the best HE and AP damage until you get to tier 9! 

[von_Boeg]

First day of playing of the Russian cruisers, let us see how they are doing on warships.today so far. Remember, this is not any definite judgement of the cruiser line, many things can still change when more and more players starts to grind them, but it might give us a small indication on where they will end up:

 

Tier 2:

Novik ends up in the bottom of the pack with low damage and low WR.

 

Tier 3:

Bogatyr is ending up as the leader of the pack so far, with higher WR then the other regular cruisers and WAY better damage then even the St. L.

 

Tier 4:

Svietlana ends up on top together with the Kuma in damage, and is leading in WR. Not even close to the trailing Phoenix and Karlsruhe.

 

Tier 5:

Kirov ends up closer to the premium Murmansk in both WR and damage compared to any other silver cruisers

 

Tier 6:

Budyonny gets 10% higher WR and 10K more damage then any other cruiser of the tier.

 

I think we stop there since later ships do not even have a 1000 played games in them yet. As I said before, it is way to early to draw any definite conclusions yet, but I think we can say that the line is not massivley underpreforming as some have suggested...

[von_Boeg]

Did the same for the RU forum, since they might have more games in the ships and a larger playerbase for each ship, let us see how it differs:

 

Tier 2:

Novik ends up in the bottom of the pack with low damage and low WR, just as on EU. 20K  games vs 13K on EU.

 

Tier 3:

Bogatyr is ending up in the top together with the St. L so far. Essential the same damage and WR. 22K vs 17K

 

Tier 4:

Svietlana ends up on top together with the Kuma in damage, and is leading in WR. Not even close to the trailing Phoenix and Karlsruh, 4gets beaten in both by the premium Yubari. 9,5K vs 9,5K

 

Tier 5:

Kirov ends up closer to the premium Murmansk in both WR and damage compared to any other silver cruisers. 4,6K vs 7,3K

 

Tier 6

Budyonny gets 13% higher WR and 15K more damage then any other cruiser of the tier. 1K vs 1,8K

 

The result between the servers are so far quite similar, but it is interesting to see that more EU games have been played on the higher tiers compared to the RU ones, while the RU server have a higher number of low tier games. I wonder why?

[Pastaiolo]

 

 

The result between the servers are so far quite similar, but it is interesting to see that more EU games have been played on the higher tiers compared to the RU ones, while the RU server have a higher number of low tier games. I wonder why?

 

Less people willing to spend money to get free experience most likely.

[kfa]

Did the same for the RU forum, since they might have more games in the ships and a larger playerbase for each ship, let us see how it differs:

 

Tier 2:

Novik ends up in the bottom of the pack with low damage and low WR, just as on EU. 20K  games vs 13K on EU.

 

Tier 3:

Bogatyr is ending up in the top together with the St. L so far. Essential the same damage and WR. 22K vs 17K

 

Tier 4:

Svietlana ends up on top together with the Kuma in damage, and is leading in WR. Not even close to the trailing Phoenix and Karlsruh, 4gets beaten in both by the premium Yubari. 9,5K vs 9,5K

 

Tier 5:

Kirov ends up closer to the premium Murmansk in both WR and damage compared to any other silver cruisers. 4,6K vs 7,3K

 

Tier 6

Budyonny gets 13% higher WR and 15K more damage then any other cruiser of the tier. 1K vs 1,8K

 

The result between the servers are so far quite similar, but it is interesting to see that more EU games have been played on the higher tiers compared to the RU ones, while the RU server have a higher number of low tier games. I wonder why?

 

Do not forget, that on the first days the better and more hardcore players are playing these ships especially tier5 and above. I would be really surprised if after a month or two, the Budyonny would be a better ship than the Cleveland and Aoba.

[von_Boeg]

 

Do not forget, that on the first days the better and more hardcore players are playing these ships especially tier5 and above. I would be really surprised if after a month or two, the Budyonny would be a better ship than the Cleveland and Aoba.

 

That is totally correct, and the reason we can not use this stat as anything else then a very early indication yet. However, I would say that at Tier 3 and 4 it seems like the Bogatyr and the Svietlana will be very good ships.

[Noobsplatter]

Kirov was ok, stronk guns that citadelled kongo without trouble.

 

But, oh behold lads! T7 is a beast that I will be keeping in my port.

 

If you use it to ambush cruisers from beyond islands, it just deletes them. 

 

 

[RogDodgeUK]

moved to Ships / Cruisers

[gravelbelly]

Kirov was ok, stronk guns that citadelled kongo without trouble.

 

But, oh behold lads! T7 is a beast that I will be keeping in my port.

 

If you use it to ambush cruisers from beyond islands, it just deletes them. 

 

 

How did you get on with the Budyonny, do you think the Shchors is better?

[Ruuti_]

 

Here's my brief impressions of the Russian/Soviet cruisers so far. Notice that I don't claim any of the following to be absolute truth, it's just how I feel about the ships at the moment of writing this. Your experience with the same vessels may differ greatly from mine. Also, there's nothing here that hasn't been said elsewhere before.

 

1. Bogatyr (T3)

Decent tier 3 ship. Lots of guns. Feels similar to Aurora or St. Louis. If you like either of those ships, you probably like this one as well. And just like Aurora and St. Louis, Bogatyr does not fare well if MM places you into a battle with higher tier ships. In a match against same or lower tier opponents it can be a fun vessel to fight in.

 

2. Kirov (T5)

I haven't had much success with Kirov so far (WR only 17%!), so my impression of it is a bit mixed.  Kirov has good guns, but feels fragile (Same can be said about other ships of this line as well). Even if you come out top in a duel against an enemy ship, you may suffer too much damage. That said, Kirov's 180mm guns are delightfully devastating when using AP against enemy ships that expose their broadside to you! In the hands of a better player than me, Kirov is probably quite lethal.

 

3. Budyonny (T6)

I have fared much better with Budyonny than Kirov (WR 71%). Budyonny's guns are smaller caliber than Kirov's, but it can still dish out decent damage thanks to its good rate of fire (7,5 rounds per minute!). It feels somewhat similar to Cleveland, but with better shell arcs, and torpedoes. All in all, a good ship.

 

4. Shchors (T7)

Shchors is a slightly improved Budyonny with extra turret. In my opinion, it feels even more like Cleveland than its predecessor. And again I must point out that the shell arcs are better than in Cleveland or US cruisers in general, making it much easier to hit enemies. If you liked Budyonny, you will probably like this one too, even if it faces higher tier opponents than its predecessor.

 

5. Dmitri Donskoi (T9)

Dmitri Donskoi is my current favorite in Russian/Soviet line. It has well balanced characteristics:  twelve 180mm guns, nice shell arcs, decent torpedoes (compared to other Russian/Soviet ships), and decent maneuverability. Of course it is big and not stealthy at all, and takes you to Citadel City if you expose your side to enemies. Even with those drawbacks I can't help but like this ship! Recommended.

 

6. Moskva (T10)

Moskva is a big brittle brick with excellent guns. Ah, those lovely, lovely guns, with superb shell arcs! Unfortunately Moskva also has the visibility and maneuverability of a battleship, but without the durability! Everyone can see this ship, and dodging anything with it is very frustrating to say the least. Moskva is therefore another mixed bag, and compared to Dmitri Donskoi, I would claim that Dmitri is better ship overall. My current advice is: don't rush to get this one. 

 

If we compare ships stats, Moskva should be about as maneuverable as Dmitri, but for some reason it feels much much worse.

 

[Sp4wN_2k7]

You guys do realize that the Moskva has half the rudder shift time of a BB, right?

[Noobsplatter]

How did you get on with the Budyonny, do you think the Shchors is better?

 

I did not, because I have tapped into the dark arts of free xp visacraft.

 

[LakeTheAce]

I just got tier 6 cruiser and so far fragility has been pretty much theme with these ships.

Tier2 Novik or Novograt??! What ever it is. Was absolutely painfull ship. Shell arc was so awfull that those maybe 3 games what i played with it, i didnt get the hang of it. Not sure are those guns ment for duck hunting or what?

Tier3 was nice ship. Good guns after you upgrade them to 130mm. Remainds me of St. Luois, lots of guns all around ship, not nearly as much HP but around 5 knots faster speed. Not really my kinda ship as is not St. Louis.

Im more of an Tenryui guy ;)

Tier4 Svietlana is absolutely fantastic ship. It went straight for my favorites. You can have, if i remember correctly 5 guns on target with very minimal ancle. Almost front of the ship, if you will. Then just slight turn and you'll get 5 guns from other side of the ship. Like this wiggling you can go bow towards enemy firing all times.

Torpedoes are pretty much same. Ancles are great! Just lurking behind islands and torp everything what tries to get you. Reload rate is 35sec on those.

Bad things about this ship is main battery and more of its range wich is 11.4km is i remember correctly. Good thing about those is they are 130mm so Advanced Firing Training will give you 20% more range. Armor isnt best either. It will do but dont show your side. 45° is way too much, you will get penetrated. That wiggling tactic works well on this ship becouse of the lack of armor. Its pretty much same as on any other tier4 ship but better you make use of it, longer you live . 

Tier5 Kirov. This ship defines fragility.. its like new standard. It doenst matter how you ancle this ship it is going to be penetration. If BB shoots at you its miracle if i take less than 50% of my HP.

Guns are nice thou. I feel like accuracy/velocity isnt good enough for 16km range. I can make those guns work in 10-12km range very well. HE does around 2500-6000 per salvo against BB. But further you go and more nearer to max range less dmg i do, even BB can avoid my shots if he tries even little. Max range salvo average is maybe 3 hits out of 9 with 2000 max damage. Its not good enough to make me feel usefull for my team. Reload on those guns is 15sec... so if you do 2000 damage every 15sec with 3 shells what haves 13% fire chance even getting that lovely fire is quite minimal.

And try to avoid Fuso Kirov turns somewhat slowly so if Fuso shoots at you its pretty much atleast 1 citadel everytime.

Tier6 Budyonny. I've played about 5 games in this ship unupgraded. I hated every second on it hopefully it gets better with upgrades. But yea cant really say much about it with 5 games(bad ones) behind. Guns seems nice! ;)

[von_Boeg]

So now I have upgraded the Tier 3, and it is totally awesome. I bet this ship will be better then the St. L when we have more stats.

[lafeel]

Just completed the Novik in a total of four games. Might not be the most spectacular tier 2, but she was a largely painless, even might go as far as to say a pleasant, expirience.

 

Didn't keep her, but I won't look back on her with anger either.

[Dampfboot]

I love the Tier 6 & 9. Nice guns and damage. You have to drive the very carefully though, similar to Königsberg & Nürnberg. Also AA is decent but not as OP as Kutusov.

 

Anyone got experience with T7 &T8?

[lafeel]

Ironically all of two games later i one shot killed a enemy Novik. Must have nailed his magazine with that single 152mm shell (from my St Louis)

[von_Boeg]

So, shal we guess how long it will take for the Russian cruisers to be nerfed? Right now they look like the Russian DDs just after release, and the stats for at least Tier III-V seems silly strong compared to other silver ships. Above that there is not enough players, I guess.

[ApesTogetherStronK]

I don't know if it's a thing across all Russian Cruisers. But so far in my Kirov I've been matched against Tier 7's in 15 of my 17 games. She's stronk for sure, but there's nothing you can do about that most games. And honestly while the avg. stats are high right now that's for two reasons. 1. A lot of good players are working their way up, pushing the averages higher. 2. They are very powerful. 

HOWEVER. 

They are citadeled more easily than the Germans, and in most situations where I die it is because I have been forced to show my broadside to at least one enemy ship because I'm hiding it from 5 others. I'm only in these situations because everyone at low tiers are complete lemons and I'm forced to take the lead as I always do, when a Kongo should be fulfilling that role at tier five. 

[T0PDAWG]

I don't know if it's a thing across all Russian Cruisers. But so far in my Kirov I've been matched against Tier 7's in 15 of my 17 games. She's stronk for sure, but there's nothing you can do about that most games.

 

I have been matched 3/4 of my games with Kirov with T7. In the Budyonny it continues. I have to fight as the lowest Tier in Tier 8 matches too. And I dunno why! Atleast I am still perform better in my Buddy then my teammates...

[Comrad_StaIin]

Í like to be put in Tier 8 games with my Buddy 

it is a Kutuzov with better armor 1 less turret and worse AA 

you get tons of XP in those games

 

also angle with Buddy and no cruiser will penetrate you

[von_Boeg]

I don't know if it's a thing across all Russian Cruisers. But so far in my Kirov I've been matched against Tier 7's in 15 of my 17 games. She's stronk for sure, but there's nothing you can do about that most games. And honestly while the avg. stats are high right now that's for two reasons. 1. A lot of good players are working their way up, pushing the averages higher. 2. They are very powerful. 

 

Yes you are right about the best players reaching the top tiers at this time, but the stats on the lower tiers are insanley good at this moment in time. If we look at the stats for last weeks battles on Warships Today it is obvious that the Tier 2 is an awful tub, but the rest is frankly more OP then even I suspected:

 

On Tier 3 the Bogatyr is totallt CRUSHING any opponent, she scores between 4-12 K more damage then ANY other cruiser, including the OP St. 

 

On Tier 4 the Svietlana is best among the silver ships. Not by as much as the former, but still the best ship.

 

On Tier 5 the Kirov is yet again crushing the opponents; she is way closer to the OP Murmansk then any other silver ship.

 

On Tier 6 the Budyonny is a bad joke, she does 15K more damage then the next best silver ship.

 

Higher up we do not have the similar amount of games played in each ship last week, so I let it be for the moment, but we can say that it looks like only the Moscow will be in line with the other Tier peers.

 

At least for me, this leads to two interesting questions:

 

1. Is this intentional from WGs side, or are they not better at testing the ships? If it is the former we know we can not trust anything they say about "balancing", and if it is the latter they have to work hard to get their act together.

 

2. Are the supertesters and community contributors and such that tested the ships ready to eat some humble pie and apologise to all they have ridiculed for thinking to Russian cruisers will be OP?

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Yes you are right about the best players reaching the top tiers at this time, but the stats on the lower tiers are insanley good at this moment in time. If we look at the stats for last weeks battles on Warships Today it is obvious that the Tier 2 is an awful tub, but the rest is frankly more OP then even I suspected:

 

On Tier 3 the Bogatyr is totallt CRUSHING any opponent, she scores between 4-12 K more damage then ANY other cruiser, including the OP St. 

 

On Tier 4 the Svietlana is best among the silver ships. Not by as much as the former, but still the best ship.

 

On Tier 5 the Kirov is yet again crushing the opponents; she is way closer to the OP Murmansk then any other silver ship.

 

On Tier 6 the Budyonny is a bad joke, she does 15K more damage then the next best silver ship.

 

Higher up we do not have the similar amount of games played in each ship last week, so I let it be for the moment, but we can say that it looks like only the Moscow will be in line with the other Tier peers.

 

At least for me, this leads to two interesting questions:

 

1. Is this intentional from WGs side, or are they not better at testing the ships? If it is the former we know we can not trust anything they say about "balancing", and if it is the latter they have to work hard to get their act together.

 

2. Are the supertesters and community contributors and such that tested the ships ready to eat some humble pie and apologise to all they have ridiculed for thinking to Russian cruisers will be OP?

 

wait until all the srubs get the ships

the stats will even out fast