The flawed concept of "kill stealing"

[DaWyrm]

Got accused of kill stealing again last night. I do not understand how people reason when they accuse others of kill-stealing. Do they expect me to hold my fire and just let that 250HP battleship get another broadside off against me or someone else just so someone else should get a nice kill-mark? I think not. I try to as often as possible chose the target that is quickest to kill as my primary in order to remove enemy guns from the battle. If as in this game I am in a Nagato, I have a ship and guns that take quite a while to aim. If I get something in my sights that I can hit I will not hesitate to fire.

 

Gah, I get so annoyed sometimes with the manners, or rather lack of manner of some players. There is no 'I' in "teamwork"

 

Though I have to admit it is sometimes frustrating to have damaged an enemy battleship down to 70HP and have a DD kill it with a snap-shot, but it is still I who will get the exp and credits for all the damage. Not the DD

[Devantejah]

I guess it's some sort of status to have numbers next to your name.

 

Personally, I don't care as long as the vessel goes down.

[cro_pwr]

there is no kill stealing here... always go for the target with the lowest hp cause BB with 1k hp hits as hard as BB with full hp (as do all the ships for that matter)...

[Naveey]

Just one of those things - when I've virtually destroyed another ship and then one blast from someone else comes in and claims the kill I think 'oh darn' - I don't go off on one!!!!  I just think that the position will also be reversed sometimes and it will be me that get the kill with just one salvo - its a game after all.

[ParEx]

This behaviour is enforced by WGs "kill XX Ships of YY Class" or like the currend missions where you have to kill 100Ships or whatever.

Seen this a lot in the last days, you damage a ship to almost death and while your last salvo which might kill the ship is still in the air someone else catches the kill. Someone who hasnt fired on that target before. Might be coincidence, but if that is true there may be a lot of coincidents the last days.

Some people just wait with their salvo untill there is a high chance of killing the enemy when there is someone else firing.

My 2 cents.

[Eternus_Damnatio]

Got accused of kill stealing again last night. I do not understand how people reason when they accuse others of kill-stealing. Do they expect me to hold my fire and just let that 250HP battleship get another broadside off against me or someone else just so someone else should get a nice kill-mark? I think not. I try to as often as possible chose the target that is quickest to kill as my primary in order to remove enemy guns from the battle. If as in this game I am in a Nagato, I have a ship and guns that take quite a while to aim. If I get something in my sights that I can hit I will not hesitate to fire.

 

Gah, I get so annoyed sometimes with the manners, or rather lack of manner of some players. There is no 'I' in "teamwork"

 

Though I have to admit it is sometimes frustrating to have damaged an enemy battleship down to 70HP and have a DD kill it with a snap-shot, but it is still I who will get the exp and credits for all the damage. Not the DD

Agreed as far as I am concerned there is no such thing as kill stealing.

This is a team based combat game the quicker an enemy ship goes down the less incoming fire for your team to deal with.

Doesn't stop me shouting NINJA on ts when I nab one though 

[Admiral_noodle]

It is the missions mostly. I'm stuck needing a BB kill and I just can't get one. This leads others in the same position to get frustrated and vent at you for kill stealing. It's annoying but when people need kills they will get frustrated.

[Pastaiolo]

It's just about some egocentric guys who feel important if they have a kill. Everybody can get a kill. Let me shoot at a dying Yamato with HE shells and then i can claim i killed a Yamato with my x ship.

A different thing entirely is actually damaging the enemy ship.

 

I will always go for a kill if i can, no matter who was on that target already. Reason is simple, the sooner the enemy ship dies the sooner she is not able to fire and damage me and my team mates.

If i want to look at my performance at the end of the battle, i will mostly look about damage anyway.

[shulzidar]

Oh... There is killstealing, and it's quite damaging. Just 2 recent examples. With my Kagero:

 

- Mogami "supporting" my advance. Engage 2 enemy DD, Fubuki and Kagero (Not at the same time, but consequtively)... I engage into a gunnery duel... BOTH times, he didn't shot a single round until the current DD was at less than 20% hp left... The 2nd one, the Kagero, sank me while the Mogami was "covering" himself on an island... After my fire crippled him and it was with the engine damaged he literally showed to perform the last shot (in this case a distant NC was supporting me, this time for real, or I'm sure that the Mogami would just had fled away).

 

Or this one with my Fubuki:

 

- Friendly Shokkakku paired with Riujo. Enemies got exactly the same... After 4m in the fight, the enemy Shokkaku was sniped. I thought, nice T8+T6 vs T6... Time to roam around freely!.... WRONG!!!... I was sunk because the enemy CV trolled me with his fighters, and our BBs kept on receiving torpedo attacks. When I focus my attention on what our CVs were doing... Friendly figther squads on auto doing nothing 1 or 2 quadrants away from were we were attacked or trolled. After complaining about CV fitgher passivity in chat... Our shokkaku scored a Kraken and replied "I'm useless, sure"... To what I had to reply "With your fighters absolutely, 10m of air superiority, 2 DD lost to figther trolling and 2 BBs crippled by torpedo runs by a single T6 CV". You can guess what the scoreboard did shown... The Shokkaku was 5th from the top (I did an average battle and was 4th, higher than him, even dying at around half the battle) and only killed 11 enemy planes... On a 2x2x2 configuration, 5 ship kills and so low score... The guy just put his fighters on "follow" around some friendlies and spend the entire battle picking up "about to die" targets... I suppose that "useless" is a relative term.

[_FTD_]

Agreed as far as I am concerned there is no such thing as kill stealing.

This is a team based combat game the quicker an enemy ship goes down the less incoming fire for your team to deal with.

Doesn't stop me shouting NINJA on ts when I nab one though 

reported, kill stealer

[EsaTuunanen]

Got accused of kill stealing again last night. I do not understand how people reason when they accuse others of kill-stealing.

You should have asked for copy of receipt for having bought that ship kill.

 

And you doing the damage so that those bad average damage/rear hiding players who can't do damage consistently can get that final hit is what they expect.

 

 

Though I have to admit it is sometimes frustrating to have damaged an enemy battleship down to 70HP and have a DD kill it with a snap-shot, but it is still I who will get the exp and credits for all the damage. Not the DD

Have to admit once having done that last hit against cruiser.

 

It's understandable if Omaha shows citadel for stealthed DD... but not when there's New Mexico behind me.

So while pondering WTF that Omaha player was doing (preparing to launch torps at out of range BB?) I switched to APs.

When taking final aim New Mexico fired just before I fired... And got two citadel hits for last 3½k damage and kill.

Don't know if that Omaha player learned anything...

But New York behind him suddenly run out of courage to continue attack.

[Tugnut]

its not kill steal they just failed to kill secure!

[SgtTincan]

 

..... Though I have to admit it is sometimes frustrating to have damaged an enemy battleship down to 70HP and have a DD kill it with a snap-shot, but it is still I who will get the exp and credits for all the damage. Not the DD

 

be my guest every time i shoot a hostile ship down with Amagi to less then 2k to finish him off mate, saves me a reload cycle and removes his sorry arse from the match 30 seconds sooner.

[cro_pwr]

tl;dr

 

you do understand that you get credits/xp based on dmg dealt, not on number of kills...

so as long as there are players that will wait for the last shot, as much as irritating that is, its their loss in the end...

and as soon as people understand that its not about kill stealing, but about dealing damage, the better...

[Admiral_noodle]

Deliberately not firing in order to kill secure is stupid and uneccessary. I've never seen anyone do it mind.

 

Finishing off low HP targets is a good thing and should be encouraged IF you are best placed. When in my BB I request people to "kill secure" for me.

[Unintentional_submarine]

I have been accused of kill stealing with torpedoes at long range. Yeah...

[txtspeak]

I have been accused of kill stealing with torpedoes at long range. Yeah...

 

ok thats kinda funny. 

[Aotearas]

There is no kill stealing, only kill helping.

 

If I'm playing BB, I welcome kill helping. If a slavo of mine left a ship on a sliver on health, it's just not economical to waste more shots on him that I could put into more healthy targets, so cruisers should by all means finish the enemy. The only time I'd actually go on a low health killshot is when nothing else is around to shoot at and if I don't get the kill, meh. I did the damage anyway and that's what gives me credits/XP.

 

Most of the time, I feel like this:

[Zathras_Grimm]

Kill the enemy as fast as possible; win the game. 

I find the 'Kill Steal' term is used too often to discribe the exact opposite - some idiot who would let a team mate take fire because they will not fire until they think they will get the last shot. Kill Steal? More like Kill Team! (Metophorically speaking of course ).

 

 

[txtspeak]

Kill the enemy as fast as possible; win the game. 

I find the 'Kill Steal' term is used too often to discribe the exact opposite - some idiot who would let a team mate take fire because they will not fire until they think they will get the last shot. Kill Steal? More like Kill Team! (Metophorically speaking of course ).

 

 

this. I see USN and SN DDs do this far too much, abusing their concealment get as close to the enemy as possible (reducing shell travel time) to act as a cruiser but only firing when they can kill the enemy in one salvo,

[44smok]

There should be some kind of kill stealer achievement ingame. Would farm those

 

[Larky2k]

It Kill securing but i will say it is very frustrating when missions say you got to kill X number of a certain type of ship and every man and his dog is doing it it and also i will rage about kill stealing when you have spent good portion of time to whitle away at the health of a ship and your just about to pull the final trigger to send them to the bottoms and some comes around the corner and takes the kill. I think why people scream kill stealing is when the accuser has done all the hard work and damage on a ship and some has taken away the satisfaction of getting the kill yes they did all the hard work and will get a load of XP and credits but it doesn't feel right when the kill is snatched away from you and nothing to show your hard work except the XP and credits.

Would it be fair if there was as system that monitors who does what damage to whom and lets say one player has done 90%+ damage to a ship and the ship is killed by someone else then the kill is awarded to the guy who did 90% of the damage and the other guy gets and Kill assist for the final blow. 

[shulzidar]

you do understand that you get credits/xp based on dmg dealt, not on number of kills...

 

And you understand that in BOTH cases I died because:

 

- a) A lamer on a CA didn't apply his entire firepower, thus, increasing the time BOTH were exposed to damage.

 

- b) A CV was focused on doing the same letting a totally suppressed enemy CV to cause casualties and unnecesary damage.

 

That's the deal... I couldn't care less on who gets the kill credit... I care because some ppl is not performing at 100% and because of that... I get sank. The case of the Shokkakku is even more worrying... The guy REALLY thought he was doing the right thing... So no, I don't think EVERY1 playing WoWS understands how WG rewards certain activities on the default mechanism (Even WG Devs that worked at WoT took a LOOOOONG time to realize that rewarding too much the killing blow was harming teamplay... Finnally, over the years, they changed and added more teamplay encouraging rewards... But the initial reward model on WoT was as blunt and stupid as some ppl seems to think is the case on WoWS)...

 

...Another thing are the specific goals WG likes to place for their missions that may encourage this... But that could explain some "periods" of this happening...

 

...The concept of scoring the kill is well entreched into the minds of a lot of PvPers, been rewarded or not, and as with stat farming, you will always have ppl that are proud of showing off a given number... Even if it's counterproductive for the team as a whole.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

there is no kill stealing here... always go for the target with the lowest hp cause BB with 1k hp hits as hard as BB with full hp (as do all the ships for that matter)...

 

This.

 

Dead id dead and win is win. ;)

[Unintentional_submarine]

Indeed. When in a battleship I drop an enemy to low HP, I always call him out to the team and hope someone will kill secure him, so I don't have to 'waste' another salvo on him (and lets be honest here, trying to be economical and fire one turrets at a time is too risky).

 

Kill stealing is a none-issue outside of those missions. Even then, it is rather rare to run into those d-bags that will happily sit there and not shoot for several minutes until the enemy is low. They exist of course, as any game have d-bags, but they are incredibly rare. Personally I haven't run into any of them yet, though I have to assume those who mention them are honest.

I do get annoyed when a kill is 'stolen' out from under me, but never in a "MINE MINE MINE MINE" way. Feel free to focus the same target I'm shooting at if you are in a game with me.