Guess the upcoming ship!

[Trainspite]

I have my doubts about creating this, and I am quite tempted to keep it secret for longer, but I think you guys may be interested in it.

 

Either way, in the developer diaries video about the soviet cruisers, a ship was seen being modeled at 3:58 to 4:00. I happen to know what this ship is, but I will leave it to the community to leave their best guesses for it.

 

Many thanks to mr3awsome for pointing out an earlier mistake that I made when trying to identify the ship!

 

But here is the ship, or one view of it:

 

And I will leave you a hint should you need it:

 It doesn't technically appear in my tech tree

[Trainspite]

~Post reserved for the answer~

Okay, that lasted a whole 10 minutes ^^

 

 

Minotaur Design Z4A: 

Displacement: 15'080t

 

Armament: 10x6" 16x3" 4x4 Torpedo Launchers

The 6" DP guns are the Mk.V - capable of 20RPM.

The 3" DP secondaries are also capable of 90RPM. 

 

Speed: 31.5 knots

 

AA: Brilliant

 

Armour: Not so brilliant. Overpens expected.

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

Also dieses Design?

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/47097-kreuzer-der-royal-navy/page__pid__919656#entry919656

 

:-) ?

 

 

 

 

source

[Sonic_157]

 

The Minotaur-class had a different gun layout.

Is this a paper ship?

 

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

The Minotaur-class had a different gun layout.

 

Is this a paper ship?

 

 

 

Keyword "Design" ;)

[RamirezKurita]

Looks like one of the Dido AA cruisers to me with that turret and funnel layout plus the boxy main turret shapes, the "British Atlantas" with their 2x5 5.25" guns.

 

Edit: just realised the second turret isn't superfiring, so it can't them.

[Sonic_157]

 

Keyword "Design" ;)

 

 

Hmm... Interesting. Why did they chose to model this one and not the original?

 

 

 

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

 

Hmm... Interesting. Why did they chose to model this one and not the original?

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe they thought the original is not powerful for the tier they are planning this ship for - no idea, sry.

 

I don't even know if it's the correct guess, but the gun arrangement looks similar, and "technically" it doesn't appear in Trainspite's tech tree ;)

[piritskenyer]

I was originally gonna go with Dido-class, but then I realised the turret arrangement isn't okay.

 

If it's indeed the 'ZA' design with 5 double 6" DP mounts, then we have 5x2x15-17 (even as high as 20r/m/b) rpm for a total of 150-170 (200!!) rounds a minute. Talk about excess.

 

Source on the QF 6"/50 Mk V / Mk N5

[SBS]

Not sure if it is that design Trigger. From the looks of the one in the video and the one from the design, they appear to have a different conning tower (I believe that is what it is called), also I am not sure if the one in the video have the smaller guns on the sides of the hull, but maybe they haven't been modeled in yet. 

But I do think you are right, that it is a paper ship, and not one that actually served.

 

 

My first guess was a Dido class cruiser, untill I realized the forward gun turrets aren't placed right. 

 

 

[RamirezKurita]

 

Hmm... Interesting. Why did they chose to model this one and not the original?

 

They need to fill out the necessary tiers, and the historical 1940s Minotaurs were T7 material at most (even the Towns are T8 at most), so obviously they have to go into some paper designs to fill out the top tiers. I'd imagine they have something else planned for the upper-middle tiers considering the abundance of ships and designs that would work in the T6-8 region.

[T0byJug]

Looks like one of the Dido AA cruisers to me with that turret and funnel layout plus the boxy main turret shapes, the "British Atlantas" with their 2x5 5.25" guns.

 

Edit: just realised the second turret isn't superfiring, so it can't them.

 

defiantly no!! all the turrets on Didos were stacked! this pick has 2 front turrets same level 

[RamirezKurita]

 

defiantly no!! all the turrets on Didos were stacked! this pick has 2 front turrets same level 

 

Hence the edit I made pointing out my derpy mistake.

[T0byJug]

 

They need to fill out the necessary tiers, and the historical 1940s Minotaurs were T7 material at most (even the Towns are T8 at most), so obviously they have to go into some paper designs to fill out the top tiers. I'd imagine they have something else planned for the upper-middle tiers considering the abundance of ships and designs that would work in the T6-8 region.

 

its funny CV they could do complete tech tree with no paper ships

DD easy no paper ships

BB Tier  9 or 10 would need to be paper (depending where they put HMS Vanguard)

CA mmm a struggle with not so many ships between 6 and 10

so they go CA first

[T0byJug]

 

Hence the edit I made pointing out my derpy mistake.

 

was already typing when you edited...  easy mistake you made there!!! 3 AA turrets forwould!! dido obviase conclution,, dont blame you for that

[Trainspite]

~snip~

 

 

Well, that lasted a long time. Yes, it is Minotaur Design Z4A (at least be my reckoning - and defklo's)

Well done to you for getting it right so quickly!

 

And yes, at first I thought it was Dido with it's front turret arrangement messed up, I guess I was too used to using Design Z4C in my tech tree with it's 3 super firing turrets 

 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

 

Well, that lasted a long time. Yes, it is Minotaur Design Z4A (at least be my reckoning - and defklo's)

Well done to you for getting it right so quickly!

 

And yes, at first I thought it was Dido with it's front turret arrangement messed up, I guess I was too used to using Design Z4C in my tech tree with it's 3 super firing turrets 

 

 

Excellent, now where's the rest of the Royal Navy! ;) 

 

(sry, out of likes for today)

 

[Trainspite]

 

Excellent, now where's the rest of the Royal Navy! ;) 

 

(sry, out of likes for today)

 

 

SoonTM 

 

But this does mean we are more than likely to get an entire line of Light Cruisers for the RN (although Minotaur is anything but light..) so take you guesses for which CLs will appear... seeing that Chungking (ex-HMS Aurora) is rumoured to be around for a Pan-Asian prem, I would put my bets on Arethusa and Leander, at tiers 5 and 6 respectively.

[Takemikazuchi_1121]

.. seeing that Chungking (ex-HMS Aurora) is rumoured to be around for a Pan-Asian prem, I would put my bets on Arethusa and Leander, at tiers 5 and 6 respectively.

 

And maybe HMIS Dehli (ex-HMS/HMNZS Achilles) in the Pan-Asia-Tree too. 

[Aotearas]

So, t7 premium? I'd be thinking if it really gets that high rpm with that caliber, it'd be more like a t8, but there's already the Kutuzov.

[Trainspite]

So, t7 premium? I'd be thinking if it really gets that high rpm with that caliber, it'd be more like a t8, but there's already the Kutuzov.

 

Tier 7 premiums to me are: Blake (Tiger class), and any sub-class (Except Edinburgh, Belfast and Surrey) of the Crown Colony's, Towns or Swiftsure classes.

 

Minotaur with it's beastly RoF (same as Tiger, but with 10 guns instead of 4) is a definite tier 10 candidate. A 6" shot ever 0.3 of a second has no place at tier 8...

[Combat_Hamster]

would have thought  Arethusa  at  tier 4 ( is small )  and   Leander  at 5,   as is directly comparable to Konigsberg and  Omaha

[RamirezKurita]

So, t7 premium? I'd be thinking if it really gets that high rpm with that caliber, it'd be more like a t8, but there's already the Kutuzov.

 

I'm thinking it would likely be closer to T9, if not T10, considering the firepower they would throw out as well as the crazy AA capabilities. 10 guns at 20 RPM pretty much gives them twice the firepower of a standard high tier CL (in fact, more than double the Mogami's 90 RPM), while the AA suite would likely put the Des Moines to shame considering the Des Moines class has 24x 3"/50s plus the 12x 5"/38s while the Minotaur design had 16x 3"/70s plus the 10x 6"/50s.

[Combat_Hamster]

I think it is Worcester,  also  Arethusa  at  tier 4 ( is tiny )  and Leander  at 5,  directly comparable  to Omaha  and Konigsberg

[Aotearas]

 

Tier 7 premiums to me are: Blake (Tiger class), and any sub-class (Except Edinburgh, Belfast and Surrey) of the Crown Colony's, Towns or Swiftsure classes.

 

Minotaur with it's beastly RoF (same as Tiger, but with 10 guns instead of 4) is a definite tier 10 candidate. A 6" shot ever 0.3 of a second has no place at tier 8...

 

 

I'm thinking it would likely be closer to T9, if not T10, considering the firepower they would throw out as well as the crazy AA capabilities. 10 guns at 20 RPM pretty much gives them twice the firepower of a standard high tier CL (in fact, more than double the Mogami's 90 RPM), while the AA suite would likely put the Des Moines to shame considering the Des Moines class has 24x 3"/50s plus the 12x 5"/38s while the Minotaur design had 16x 3"/70s plus the 10x 6"/50s.

 

I'm pretty sure WG wouldn't want to do t9 premiums and I'm most certain they absolutely won't do t10 premiums.

 

Plus the 20rpm is a figure that needn't necessarily make it into the game.