[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #1 Posted March 19, 2016 The last few months things are getting worse... Have been playing since CBT and I have to say I am an average player. I do not think I am the best but not the worst either out there. However I have noticed several times in the recent past, that if you are part of a team that looses, the next games are always the same or worst, no matter how good you play, because you are part of a team with very very bad players. Please see below picture Now I can upload several same stats on continuous recent days and I can not accept even if I am the worst player in the world, that statistically my teams, are not able to score at least one victory... So the only explanation is that WG is assembling teams based on their stats on the game (at least daily stats I guess..) and that is why continuous streaks of defeats appear. If that is the case WG should correct this injustice immediately and place players equally on matches with MM. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted March 19, 2016 You are wrong. It is just bad luck. I agree that MM could be better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #3 Posted March 19, 2016 You are wrong. It is just bad luck. I agree that MM could be better. Pete I do not believe that bad luck has a pattern, that appears over and over again... Please notice that if you score a couple of victories you are suddenly part of better and better teams over and over again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #4 Posted March 19, 2016 Mate, what would be the logic of that? On what grounds would Wargaming put you in losing teams all the time? What stats do you think are responsible for you being put into losing teams? May be it's rather that teams are pretty evenly matched but that some people just have to be that tiny bit better / lucky during battle so their team wins? Nevermind that if you bother to use XVM or similar mods, you'll notice that teams often are relatively balanced stats-wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #5 Posted March 19, 2016 Mate, what would be the logic of that? On what grounds would Wargaming put you in losing teams all the time? What stats do you think are responsible for you being put into losing teams? May be it's rather that teams are pretty evenly matched but that some people just have to be that tiny bit better / lucky during battle so their team wins? Nevermind that if you bother to use XVM or similar mods, you'll notice that teams often are relatively balanced stats-wise. Takru I agree with the logic of what you say, but things speak for themselves... I do not believe WG does it on purpose. I believe that the automated MM is somehow responsible in assembling teams with bad stats together... I guess has something to do with MM programming... and can be improved! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #6 Posted March 19, 2016 Takru I agree with the logic of what you say, but things speak for themselves... I do not believe WG does it on purpose. I believe that the automated MM is somehow responsible in assembling teams with bad stats together... I guess has something to do with MM programming... and can be improved! I fail to see the logic of your reasoning. May be it really is down to that last bit of more effect on the battle on your side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #7 Posted March 19, 2016 Please, why would they want you to lose? You' re not even on the median. All these ' MM is against me threads ' are making my head implode. So.. OP... just tell me, why do I have so much more 'luck' with the MM then you have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #8 Posted March 19, 2016 So.. OP... just tell me, why do I have so much more 'luck' with the MM then you have? I'll throw it in before anybody else does: SUPERTESTER BIAS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #9 Posted March 19, 2016 Please, why would they want you to lose? You' re not even on the median. All these ' MM is against me threads ' are making my head implode. So.. OP... just tell me, why do I have so much more 'luck' with the MM then you have? I am not saying they want me to loose. I am saying that if you loose a couple of times, MM puts you on teams with members with poor statistics. I do not say it is a WG conspiracy... Only that MM programming can be improved! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #10 Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) I fail to see the logic of your reasoning. May be it really is down to that last bit of more effect on the battle on your side? Do you think that of all the people and all ship types, my contribution is the critical one every time? Have you ever won a battle while your internet was suddenly down, or had connection problems? Where was your contribution then? I say it is a MM problem...I am not one of those guys that say OP, OP, OP all the time and complain about everything. I love the game and I love ships, I just want to see the game improve. Edited March 19, 2016 by greylordgr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #11 Posted March 19, 2016 I'll throw it in before anybody else does: SUPERTESTER BIAS! You got me <serious>But actually, I don't think that if certain people would in the future be a part of the ST team, they would get better stats suddenly. Remember that even in ST we have people from most 'skill categories' </serious> I am not saying they want me to loose. I am saying that if you loose a couple of times, MM puts you on teams with members with poor statistics. I do not say it is a WG conspiracy... Only that MM programming can be improved! Your argument is flawed, simply because if it were true, from everyone who starts losing a large part will statistically keep losing, resulting in many people with win rates well below the current distribution amongst the playerbase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #12 Posted March 19, 2016 Do you think that of all the people and all ship types, my contribution is the critical one very time? Have you ever won a battle while your internet was suddenly down, or had connection problems? Where was your contribution then? I say it is a MM problem...I am not one of those guys that say OP, OP, OP all the time and complain about everything. I love the game and I love ships, I just want to see the game improve. 1) Yes. It always matters and more often is not critical to the outcome of any battle. 2) The contribution came before the shutdown or after I regained connection. 3) There is no conspiracy. There is no flawed parameters in the Matchmaker. Make screenshots of your battles and look up the stats of those who fought with you, or just install XVM for a comparable impression. There's people with "beter" stats and worse stats on both teams, all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #13 Posted March 19, 2016 Your argument is flawed, simply because if it were true, from everyone who starts losing a large part will statistically keep losing, resulting in many people with win rates well below the current distribution amongst the playerbase. I am no programmer, but I can say that if you disconnect from the game... your daily stats or hour stats maybe reset or something? Or there is some other filter for MM... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #14 Posted March 19, 2016 There is no flawed parameters in the Matchmaker. I think that what you say by definition is wrong. There is no such thing as a non flawed system... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #15 Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) I am no programmer, but I can say that if you disconnect from the game... your daily stats or hour stats maybe reset or something? Or there is some other filter for MM... If there was a filter, you'd assume that Wargaming had made that a deliberate decision where they certainly have not. Nevermind that you're moving away from your argument of a flawed Matchmaker and begin to accuse Wargaming of putting you into "worse" teams deliberately. However, when you bother to look up who is making up the teams you play with and against, you'll notice that they'll be fairly balanced most of the time from stats point of view. Edited March 19, 2016 by Takru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #16 Posted March 19, 2016 3) There is no conspiracy. There is no flawed parameters in the Matchmaker. Make screenshots of your battles and look up the stats of those who fought with you, or just install XVM for a comparable impression. There's people with "beter" stats and worse stats on both teams, all the time. Please let me repeat myself... I do not say it is a WG conspiracy... Only that MM programming can be improved! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #17 Posted March 19, 2016 However, when you bother to look up who is making up the teams you play with and against, you'll notice that they'll be fairly balanced most of the time from stats point of view. So you have looked in to it??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #18 Posted March 19, 2016 So you have looked in to it??? Do it for yourself. Or install XVM or a comparable mod to see stats and ratings of people in your battle. No matter what I write here, you'll want to see for yourself anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #19 Posted March 19, 2016 I am still not sure what OP think the problem is. He said something about that if you loose you get paired with worse players in subsequent games which makes no sense off course. But is he now really asking US to validate that his claims are [edited]? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #20 Posted March 19, 2016 I am still not sure what OP think the problem is. He said something about that if you loose you get paired with worse players in subsequent games which makes no sense off course. But is he now really asking US to validate that his claims are [edited]? Nevermind that he switches from saying "I do not say it is a WG conspiracy... Only that MM programming can be improved!" to "your daily stats or hour stats maybe reset or something? ...Or there is some other filter for MM..." So he starts out with some flaw in the MM algorithm and suddenly switches to deliberate mechanics of said algorithms.... It is of course much easier to blame supposedly secret mechanics than to consider what one could have done better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #21 Posted March 19, 2016 Nevermind that he switches from saying "I do not say it is a WG conspiracy... Only that MM programming can be improved!" to "your daily stats or hour stats maybe reset or something? ...Or there is some other filter for MM..." So he starts out with some flaw in the MM algorithm and suddenly switches to deliberate mechanics of said algorithms.... It is of course much easier to blame supposedly secret mechanics than to consider what one could have done better... We all have the right to say what we think my friend. And I think that the contribution of an individual to victory, is not critical all the time in every game in all ships and tiers in order to have streaks of defeats.\ You call it bad luck I call it poor algorithm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #22 Posted March 19, 2016 We all have the right to say what we think my friend. And I think that the contribution of an individual to victory, is not critical all the time in every game in all ships and tiers in order to have streaks of defeats.\ You call it bad luck I call it poor algorithm... Yes, you can express your thought, but I can also express when I think you are wrong. Nevermind that the logic you apply does not seem terribly logical to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_Die Players 930 posts 9,329 battles Report post #23 Posted March 19, 2016 Why exactly would the MM make YOU lose? besides if you suffer from loss streaks all the time how do you explain your 48,56% win rate? you win slightly less than half your games which corelates nicely with your other stats... Besides if the game made you lose all the time then there would have to be people who win all the time with no regard to their contribution...doesnt that sound a bit strange? Yes one ship may not mean much in some cases but it still has some 8,3% influence of its team performance...if we talk about average players that is...it may be more or less depending on the player in question and his teammates and of course the opposition.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Thursday Players 18 posts 2,036 battles Report post #24 Posted March 19, 2016 Maybe WG should focus on improving the almost non-existent BOT/AFK detection. While some teams are just stuffed with bad players, others are ruined due by BOTs and AFK'ers. Maybe thats WG's main motivation for hiding players stats... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMCS] _Chief_Engineer Beta Tester 40 posts Report post #25 Posted March 20, 2016 Why exactly would the MM make YOU lose? besides if you suffer from loss streaks all the time how do you explain your 48,56% win rate? you win slightly less than half your games which corelates nicely with your other stats... Besides if the game made you lose all the time then there would have to be people who win all the time with no regard to their contribution...doesnt that sound a bit strange? Yes one ship may not mean much in some cases but it still has some 8,3% influence of its team performance...if we talk about average players that is...it may be more or less depending on the player in question and his teammates and of course the opposition.... Maybe you can explain... second day in a row... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
