New tier 7 premium carrier Saipan (5.14)

[terios]

The IJN spread with 3 planes isn't good enough, unless WG gives a better spread for TBs, only few people will buy it... So trust me they will add a better spread, cause WG loves the money.

[gr0pah]

As far as im concerned it will be a welcomed addition coming from a causal part time player.

 

Pretty sure it's the "causal part time players" that are going to suffer most at the hands of Saipan, but sure.

 

You don't seem to understand that noob captain != noob player. A noob captain is any captain in a (premium) CV that doesn't have +15 points. And trust me, there will be MANY +15 points captains in Saipain shrekking casual part time players with noob captains.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

Not that many though, because only about 10% of WoWS players play CVs... ;)

[Drunken_Jedi]

Totally getting this . It's got small squad size but imagine trapping ships with three torp bomber squads they would have no where to turn .

[Poster_2015]

Except the three torp bomber squads turned into two right now

 

[Ragweek]

I wouldn't worry It now has terrible load outs as it stands so only noob captains will buy it as there is no reason for any one else to buy it at the minute.

[SV_Kompresor]

I wouldn't worry It now has terrible load outs as it stands so only noob captains will buy it as there is no reason for any one else to buy it at the minute.

 

Well the complete noobs won't be able to buy it, but I get your point

[Phlogistoned]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but it is about the Saipan.

 

The offer on her is running out pretty soon, and I'm still on the hedge on whether to buy her or not.

 

I don't really want to know if Saipan is OP or not, but is it FUN to play Saipan? What do you Saipan owners say?

 

In case it influences the decision; I'm a complete noob CV captain (13 games in Hosho, 77% win rate so far, but I know - still too few games to make something out)

 

But no, I don't intend to play her immediately. In the case that I buy her, I will progress until T6 US CV before I take her out to randoms.

 

[gr0pah]

In the case that I buy her, I will progress until T6 US CV before I take her out to randoms.

 

Can't answer the "is it fun"-part, but you will get more mileage from playing IJN CV to get ready for Saipan. It plays much more as IJN than USN CV.

[Cadelanne]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but it is about the Saipan.

 

The offer on her is running out pretty soon, and I'm still on the hedge on whether to buy her or not.

 

I don't really want to know if Saipan is OP or not, but is it FUN to play Saipan? What do you Saipan owners say?

 

In case it influences the decision; I'm a complete noob CV captain (13 games in Hosho, 77% win rate so far, but I know - still too few games to make something out)

 

But no, I don't intend to play her immediately. In the case that I buy her, I will progress until T6 US CV before I take her out to randoms.

 

 

Let's take a look at some numbers : http://wows-numbers.com/ship/3763320816,Saipan/

 

Scroll down a bit at the "Statistics of same tier and type warships".

 

Curently, Saipan is the worst T7 in terms of winrate. Now select the 50% mark, it'll show the winrate of the best 50% players in terms of winrate (it means that you take everyone's winrate, you keep the better half, and you calculate average winrate for them). Now Saipan is displayed as the best T7 CV out there. To me it means that Saipan is very strong, (at least stronger than is silver counterparts), but only in skilled hands. Imho you should avoid her before having a captain with air supremacy and before you're confident in your piloting skills.

 

I'm sailing Hiryu currently and I'm far to be good with her, but most Saipan are easy targets even for me, because they're unexperienced.

[Phlogistoned]

Thanks for the info. I got into a game with 2 saipans - one on each side, and both thought it was great fun, so it looks like I'll buy it.

[silence5]

The air speed makes it op for me. Decent CV drivers know how ot utilize the most powerfull ascpet of a ship. 

Unless I catch a figther unit after a barage I cant catch them and even when I do I have to comit another fighter squad to it or I will loose all my planes. And If you have to focus so hard just to get one squad of his fighters ... I cant do decent torp and bomb runs on enemy ships at the same time.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Let's take a look at some numbers : http://wows-numbers.com/ship/3763320816,Saipan/

 

Scroll down a bit at the "Statistics of same tier and type warships".

 

Curently, Saipan is the worst T7 in terms of winrate. Now select the 50% mark, it'll show the winrate of the best 50% players in terms of winrate (it means that you take everyone's winrate, you keep the better half, and you calculate average winrate for them). Now Saipan is displayed as the best T7 CV out there. To me it means that Saipan is very strong, (at least stronger than is silver counterparts), but only in skilled hands. Imho you should avoid her before having a captain with air supremacy and before you're confident in your piloting skills.

 

I'm sailing Hiryu currently and I'm far to be good with her, but most Saipan are easy targets even for me, because they're unexperienced.

On EU server. Saipan has THE BEST winrate best exp and best air kills. Has better dmg than Ranger And slightly worst than IJN. 

 

https://warships.today/vehicles/eu

 

 

[Reckie]

Had my Ryujo in figther spec and attacked one Saipan fighter squadron with three of mine.
Didnt do any harm on his planes even though he was heavely outnumbered.

Suddenly the Saipans second fighter squadron turns up in a barrage attack. Within seconds my three squadrons fell from the sky.
 

One of his planes subjected to the barrage actually survived.

I mumbled OP and stayed away from him. 
 

[SV_Kompresor]

 

Had my Ryujo in figther spec and attacked one Saipan fighter squadron with three of mine.

Didnt do any harm on his planes even though he was heavely outnumbered.

Suddenly the Saipans second fighter squadron turns up in a barrage attack, killed all my three squadrons.

 

One if his planes subjected to the barrage actually survived.

I mumbled OP and stayed away from him. =)

 

 

Well that's what a saipan is....an idiot proof ship....it's extremely difficult to play against, even with a tier 7 CV

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Had my Ryujo in figther spec and attacked one Saipan fighter squadron with three of mine.

Didnt do any harm on his planes even though he was heavely outnumbered.

Suddenly the Saipans second fighter squadron turns up in a barrage attack. Within seconds my three squadrons fell from the sky.

 

One of his planes subjected to the barrage actually survived.

I mumbled OP and stayed away from him. 

 

You got clearly outplayed. Why atackk one squad with 3??  

 

And he strafe you and wtfpwnd you. 

 

That is a difference in captains an has nothing with ships. 

 

 

[Cadelanne]

It's still very cancerous when you are playing a T7 CV with squads of 4 T7 planes and that you get matched against squads of 4 T9 planes. That's exactly like fighting versus an AS setup, but knowing that your opponent also have a very good strike force.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

It's still very cancerous when you are playing a T7 CV with squads of 4 T7 planes and that you get matched against squads of 4 T9 planes. That's exactly like fighting versus an AS setup, but knowing that your opponent also have a very good strike force.

It is not fair to compare ship with full captain against ship with new captain. 

 

In fact if compare ships in same ovo you have 10 fighters vs 8 fighters And 8 Tb+10 bombers vs 6 TB.....

 

There is nothing OP in Saipan. 

 

 

[Spellfire40]

It is not fair to compare ship with full captain against ship with new captain. 

 

In fact if compare ships in same ovo you have 10 fighters vs 8 fighters And 8 Tb+10 bombers vs 6 TB.....

 

There is nothing OP in Saipan. 

 

 

Others then it anoys the hell out of thease strike rangers that now sudenly have TBs stiting next to them before their planes have done much but geting their strikes discupted anyway. Well the Price you pay in a suicide Setup ,-)))

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Others then it anoys the hell out of thease strike rangers that now sudenly have TBs stiting next to them before their planes have done much but geting their strikes discupted anyway. Well the Price you pay in a suicide Setup ,-)))

Well that is the price in USA CV (except Saipan)  if you go full strike you have Great dmg But some games you got bitchslaped  been there

[Cadelanne]

It is not fair to compare ship with full captain against ship with new captain. 

 

In fact if compare ships in same ovo you have 10 fighters vs 8 fighters And 8 Tb+10 bombers vs 6 TB.....

 

There is nothing OP in Saipan. 

 

 

 

Of course it's usually unfair. But you know that most of Saipan captains are TX players. You'll almost never encounter a Ranger / Hiryu player with a level 5 captain, while it'll be common with Saipan pilots.

 

Not to mention that 10 T7 fighters versus 8 T9 fighters is nowhere close to "fair" anyway.

[Spellfire40]

Well that is the price in USA CV (except Saipan)  if you go full strike you have Great dmg But some games you got bitchslaped  been there

 

Dont need to Tell me i played IJN before the Nerv up tp Shokaku. Calculate risk. ,-))))

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Of course it's usually unfair. But you know that most of Saipan captains are TX players. You'll almost never encounter a Ranger / Hiryu player with a level 5 captain, while it'll be common with Saipan pilots.

 

Not to mention that 10 T7 fighters versus 8 T9 fighters is nowhere close to "fair" anyway.

If we do the math and calculate dps and survivability 10t7 fighters have slight  edge over 8t9. (but Basicly it will be RNG because stats are close)  

 

But eaven if you lose you will lose by margin. You and he must go "home" meanwhile your 8 TB and 10 Bombers are free to do their yob. And you have greater potential than 6 of his TB

[Cadelanne]

If we do the math and calculate dps and survivability 10t7 fighters have slight  edge over 8t9. (but Basicly it will be RNG because stats are close)  

 

But eaven if you lose you will lose by margin. You and he must go "home" meanwhile your 8 TB and 10 Bombers are free to do their yob. And you have greater potential than 6 of his TB

 

Mebe you are right I suppose I have the wrong feeling because those encounters with lvl 5 captains. However it's right that I often beat Saipans when they have a regular captain.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Mebe you are right I suppose I have the wrong feeling because those encounters with lvl 5 captains. However it's right that I often beat Saipans when they have a regular captain.

Probably. Also T5 captains strafe alot, the are more experienced players. If he straf eaven a half good he will have advantage and beat you easily. 

 

But you can do that to him Also