New tier 7 premium carrier Saipan (5.14)

[fnord_disc]

 

And how are you going to lose planes ?

 

Saipan TB have HPs and speed of a T9 CV, so you don"t really fear AAA, and enemy fighters can only catch them if they are carrying a torp (otherwise they are 30 knots faster than any fighter of a T7 CV).

 

Saipan fighteres are the greatest speed, DPS and HP at T7 (they are the fighters of ESSEX !!). Even with 3 per squad, they shred Hiryu's fighters in pieces and just need Air superiority to be on par with Ranger. Plus they choose the terms of engagement as they are faster.

 

Yes, the fighters are competitive, but you have less strike potential.

 

Having great torpedo bombers is useful and crapbut they still do the same damage.

 

I think it's a strong ship and competitive in the right hands but I don't think the average player will outperform a Hiryuu. You're comparing stats that deliberately make the Saipan look good.

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Weren't they per plane? Might have had a brain fart then. 

 

Per plane is 70 for Saipan, 58 for Hiryu and 56 for Ranger

 

[Darth_Glorious]

The thing that seems to be good about Saipan are the planes speed and the health of the TB squadrons planes. They can probably get in and out without being affected too much by AA, but as they only have 3 planes and it can not be incriesed by captain skill and we do not know how the torpedo spread is, we can't say too much. 

 

They have convergent spread like Jap torpedoes.

[SBS]

 

Yes, the fighters are competitive, but you have less strike potential.

 

Having great torpedo bombers is useful and crapbut they still do the same damage.

 

I think it's a strong ship and competitive in the right hands but I don't think the average player will outperform a Hiryuu. You're comparing stats that deliberately make the Saipan look good.

 

It certainly has it's potential, with 3 squadrons you can attack with some to start flooding and then attack again when they use damage control. The question is the spread and how much it will be affected by defensive fire from cruisers.

 

Edit:

 

They have convergent spread like Jap torpedo bombers

 

That is good to know. 

[julmatar]

 

They have convergent spread like Jap torpedoes.

 

oh that's bad that jpns torpedo spread is horrible

they should be tight

[RamirezKurita]

For people saying about how it only has 3 fighters per squadron to a Hiryuu's 4 and Ranger's 7, it would actually be 4 for the Saipan in practice as the standard thing to do would be to bring highly skilled captains from the upper tiers while the majority of T7 carriers won't have skilled captains unless they are serious seal clubbers.

[Takeda92]

Having 15(+2) planes when the enemy at the same tier has 24(+4) is a big problem and the reserves are small. 48 planes, guys. 48.

 

It's an okay ship if you know what you're doing, but an average player will perform much worse in this ship than in a Hiryuu or a Ranger.

 

I would like to see you perform consistently better in this ship than in a Hiryuu and I'm pretty sure you won't.

 

It's not the average player I'm worried about.

[Hanszeehock]

 

It's not the average player I'm worried about.

 

Totally agree with this. In the hands of a good CV captain this thing is OP. Forget about the 3 TB squadrons, where this hurts is when all three are put together and you have nine accurate torps heading your way. 

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

Totally agree with this. In the hands of a good CV captain this thing is OP. Forget about the 3 TB squadrons, where this hurts is when all three are put together and you have nine accurate torps heading your way. 

 

12 with Air Supremacy skill.... ;)

[SBS]

 

12 with Air Supremacy skill.... ;)

 

That skill does not work for TB squadrons. Only fighters and DB.

[Exocet6951]

I had forgotten how much AA the Saipan has...

38 40mm Bofors guns total

30 20mm guns total

 

Those Bofors are going to make sinking it with planes difficult, especially if the captain has skills to boost AA....

[SBS]

I think it's total AA DPS is somewhere along the Rangers. The Ranger has less 40mm, but more 127mm and 20mm.

[Ton0kki]

So t7 CV with t9 torpedo bombers with IJN spread and USN torpedo damage? That's outright OP. It can just delete ships as it isn't that hard to score 9 hits and as it's premium it can also dominate air due to t5 skill. 

[SBS]

OP or not, lets wait and see untill we actually get our hands on it. So far all is just theory crafting on our part.

[Gojuadorai]

So t7 CV with t9 torpedo bombers with IJN spread and USN torpedo damage? That's outright OP. It can just delete ships as it isn't that hard to score 9 hits and as it's premium it can also dominate air due to t5 skill. 

 

well see but i fear youre right (if the player is skilled)

[fnord_disc]

Food you cook is always colder once you eat it.

[Myrmix]

And I was just getting happy to be soon on the Hiryuu

But with this T7-premium-beast there won't be a lot of possibilities to counter them (it's like a merged fighter and strike-setup..best of both, can't even take them out fast due to their AA).

The speed will be a huge problem if they don't balance it. So much faster planes equal higher damage and huuuge tactical advantage.

[Hanszeehock]

OP or not, lets wait and see untill we actually get our hands on it. So far all is just theory crafting on our part.

 

Not on my part 

[SBS]

 

Not on my part 

 

Well, not all of us can be a supertester 

[Spellfire40]

The thing that seems to be good about Saipan are the planes speed and the health of the TB squadrons planes. They can probably get in and out without being affected too much by AA, but as they only have 3 planes and it can not be incriesed by captain skill and we do not know how the torpedo spread is, we can't say too much.

 

The Saipans can't engage a Hiryu or Ranger 1 on 1, and most rangers with fighters probably went fighrer loudout and Hiryu allways has at least 2 fighter squadrons, so the Saipan fighters are not that good.

 

Really, it is the speed of the planes that is the Saipans only advantage. Also, as I said earlier, if they loose one TB or fighter, they loose 1/3 of their power.

 

Edit:

 

I think it only takes the plane tier in to account and not CV. So yes, it should work really well if those are tier 9 planes.

 

And who still have the has the fighter skill when its on the same level as the Torpedo speed skill and you meet higher CV only iwhen there is more than 1 CV per side and even then its crap since figter meta with 1 tir difference is still decided by who can use figter barage sucessfull and who not?

[Darth_Glorious]

So t7 CV with t9 torpedo bombers with IJN spread and USN torpedo damage? That's outright OP. It can just delete ships as it isn't that hard to score 9 hits and as it's premium it can also dominate air due to t5 skill. 

 

It's T7 CV with T9 fighter and T10 torpedo bomber, Its torpedo bomber is better than the stock torpedo bomber of Midway

[22cm]

 

It's T7 CV with T9 fighter and T10 torpedo bomber, Its torpedo bomber is better than the stock torpedo bomber of Midway

 

So, an OP premium CV was much needed, huh?

[D7v]

Yeah certainly op Can scout and flood both with fast planes Hiryu and Ranger are pretty obsolate

[gr0pah]

The main problems as I see it is that it really needs to be balanced around a 15 point (ok let's be honest, 18 point ) captain. So WG has to make it balanced for a normal 10 point captain, and not extremely OP for the Midway-players unleashing their TB-nerf rage on unsuspecting newbs in their Rangers.

 

I was really excited about the idea of a Premium carrier in the beginning, but I admit I'm now starting to fear the toxicity this boat is going to generate.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

That skill does not work for TB squadrons. Only fighters and DB.

 

Derp, true.