Poster_2015 Players 695 posts Report post #51 Posted April 1, 2016 Well i dont want Saipan to be a copy of Ranger (well or to be more exact i just wont buy it - just i wont buy it right now). But there are ways to keep its uniqueness. Maybe buff the planes even more - by either giving it the 3M module access, or buffing the torp bombers to Midway level (its still a net nerf - id take 9 essex torpers over 6 midways anyday). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishiro32 Alpha Tester 2,303 posts 1,149 battles Report post #52 Posted April 1, 2016 What is bad about Ranger?!? Short Anwser: Hiryuu Longer Anwser: Ranger similary to Lexington simply does not have good balanced setup. You might have some success on random with strike setup, but it is not so strong to warrant it's lack of flexibility in the long run. Not to mention that Lexi has 1k DBs, not Ranger. Fighter setups are suboptimal playstyle in terms of winratio so that setup also goes into garbage bin. It's playable, but considering how much stronger IJN counterparts are I see both Ranger and Lexi straight up inferior. That's why I called it bad. Ranger is limited, but it's viable to play it in randoms with some success. Well i dont want Saipan to be a copy of Ranger (well or to be more exact i just wont buy it - just i wont buy it right now). But there are ways to keep its uniqueness. Maybe buff the planes even more - by either giving it the 3M module access, or buffing the torp bombers to Midway level (its still a net nerf - id take 9 essex torpers over 6 midways anyday). Saipan has a lot of things going for and against her. It is unique. I would wait before calling her useless until release. I am sure there will be a lot of reviews for you to make informed purchase then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DtXpwnz Beta Tester 1,160 posts 377 battles Report post #53 Posted April 2, 2016 Around 6 months since I stopped playing WoWs and Saipan is still not in game... looks like CVs are still WG's favouritest class Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #54 Posted April 3, 2016 Imho 3-0-1 (3x3 fighters + 1x8 bombers) setup is pretty unattractive, and 2-2-0 (2x3 fighters +2x3 torpedo bombers) doesn't look very strong either. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSN] Ragweek Players 309 posts 9,074 battles Report post #55 Posted April 3, 2016 Yes when you will be lurking around with your strike ranger 0-1-3 (6 tops + 7×3 bombers) 12 tier 9 planes just wil not stand a chance against 24 teir 7s. Not to mention your 27 planes. The 100 lb bombs mean squat if you have only one unit of tgem. It's thier fire starting capacity that makes them strong. If it comes to pass with this load out. I'm 100% not only not going to buy one. I'm going to join you and seal club the hell out them to farm flags. Then have free rein on the moaning bb captains that made sure it was under powered. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gefreiter_Fritz Players 617 posts 5,483 battles Report post #56 Posted April 4, 2016 Yeahhh, thats what I Keep my Ranger for. More T7 Saipan CV seals to clubb! The Saipan started as a really great idea, but now it seems like it will come as a pile of crap to the game... With 3-0-1 it is possible to get air supperiority, but with only one DB squad you will not make much DMG. And with 2-2-0, now lets say, I dont think I will pay for another Hosho... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #57 Posted April 4, 2016 LoL? Did you read what I wrote? There was many clashes between Saipan's fighter squad & Ranger's fighter squad (3xT9 vs. 5xT7) and the result is = Ranger won, Ranger won, Ranger won, Ranger won ... ... and Ranger won (with 1-2 planes alive). Not a single win for Saipan. What is here so hard to understand? You're kidding right? Your "proof" is a 5-game sample? With no facts or figures to back it up (relative player skill, if anyone had air supremacy, if there was ship AA involved). That's beyond a joke as far as statistical evidence goes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #58 Posted April 4, 2016 My friend just told this , its meh not even worth to buy this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #59 Posted April 4, 2016 Yeahhh, thats what I Keep my Ranger for. More T7 Saipan CV seals to clubb! The Saipan started as a really great idea, but now it seems like it will come as a pile of crap to the game... With 3-0-1 it is possible to get air supperiority, but with only one DB squad you will not make much DMG. And with 2-2-0, now lets say, I dont think I will pay for another Hosho... My Ranger captain is having fun on his brand new Lexington now, my old Bogue captain is enjoying the Ranger now..."only" 3 x 6 bombers but still strong! ;) Got a new 3 skill points captain for the Bogue, to earn that daily Clear Sky award... ;) Saipan....yea, we'll see.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ammattimies Beta Tester 450 posts 5,507 battles Report post #60 Posted April 5, 2016 Imho 3-0-1 (3x3 fighters + 1x8 bombers) setup is pretty unattractive, and 2-2-0 (2x3 fighters +2x3 torpedo bombers) doesn't look very strong either. Spot on. I'm not paying for it in this shape either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #61 Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/74789-where-is-the-saipan-update/page__st__60__p__1842162#entry1842162 A release of April 11 in NA apparently as confirmed by a Dev. with details appearing tomorrow. I really want to buy one, since my Midway is sat in port gathering dust until its returned to its former glory by WG, but it all depends on the flight control systems this boat is allowed to carry Edited April 7, 2016 by lankylad11_lankylad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,085 battles Report post #62 Posted April 7, 2016 The release of 11/04 seems to be only for NA server. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #63 Posted April 7, 2016 aye, but we will see the details of the boat tomorrow because I am assuming they will be the same across all servers. It also shows that the super testing period is over, and that we will get it soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSN] Ragweek Players 309 posts 9,074 battles Report post #64 Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) saw a video with one on the AS load out (3/0/1) There was only a few reserve fighters and they got wiped out fast. The 8 strong DB unit takes over 50 seconds to reload! I would save your money. Edited April 7, 2016 by Ragweek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gefreiter_Fritz Players 617 posts 5,483 battles Report post #65 Posted April 7, 2016 Here it is 2-2-0 with 5th AS skill. Seems to work... saw a video with one on the AS load out (3/0/1) There was only a few reserve fighters and they got wiped out fast. The 8 strong DB unit takes over 50 seconds to reload! I would save your money. Can you post a link to 3-0-1 video? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CKBK] Pupu_prpr Players 252 posts Report post #66 Posted April 7, 2016 Tried it out, not that impressed. Only 2/2/0 is worth using, and even then it doesn't offer anything I couldn't do better on the Hiryu. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,085 battles Report post #67 Posted April 7, 2016 Seems OP to me : he managed to kill almost all Hiryu's planes without even using straffing and lost only 1 TB to AA guns. And 8 (or 9) DB with 10 800 damage bombs that can atttack T5 cruiser or BB ? It's going to be fun to get OS by a squad a DB ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #68 Posted April 7, 2016 what on earth have wargaming got against US CVs ? First they hammer the only three properly good tier line ones, then they try and bring out a premium one which looks good, then hammer that into insignificance before release. Leaving IJN ones as being brilliant. Hmm I thought the US won WW2 in the pacific thus had better CVs not hugely inferior 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSN] Ragweek Players 309 posts 9,074 battles Report post #69 Posted April 7, 2016 Seems OP to me : he managed to kill almost all Hiryu's planes without even using straffing and lost only 1 TB to AA guns. And 8 (or 9) DB with 10 800 damage bombs that can atttack T5 cruiser or BB ? It's going to be fun to get OS by a squad a DB ... This video was probably uploaded because he had a good game in it. I would not post a video if I had a bad round,what would be the point. You have to remember he was a seasoned midway captain using it so he may make you think it is OP but if a noob goes out there,or you. You will find your going to have a totally different experience. And the end of the you will have 12 planes in the air vs 24. End of ! Yes they may be T8.5 but that will not cut it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Fafniroth Beta Tester 47 posts 12,954 battles Report post #70 Posted April 8, 2016 Seems OP to me : he managed to kill almost all Hiryu's planes without even using straffing and lost only 1 TB to AA guns. And 8 (or 9) DB with 10 800 damage bombs that can atttack T5 cruiser or BB ? It's going to be fun to get OS by a squad a DB ... Nah. I was on the stream, he tried both configurations a few times. He always did well, but it's Flamu - as he pointed out, it's nothing he couldn't have done with other carriers. The bombs are theoretically 10k damage each, but in practice he always got 3-5 hits for 8-10k damage. It's too RNG based - you might get oneshot once and it sucks, but on the long run from the CV's point of view the average damage is too low. Plus this configuration has very low fighter reserves - it cannot compare with the AS that a Ranger provides. Meanwhile, the torpedo config is mediocre at best, and while the planes are good, you need the T5 skill to overpower the Hiryu and the strike potential is much lower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ishiro32 Alpha Tester 2,303 posts 1,149 battles Report post #71 Posted April 8, 2016 Only 2/2/0 is worth using, and even then it doesn't offer anything I couldn't do better on the Hiryu. Key word. Better. Something which I do not disagree. I do not think premium are supposed to be better than other ships on that tier, they are supposed to be different. Saipan does have couple things over Hiryuu, which comes from the fact how superior speed and low reload times interact with the other ships on that tier. It does change the gameplay and you have to play differently with that ship. Which I think is the most important aspect when talking about Premium ship.Anyway, it’s still not the time for me to talk about Saipan. I will wait until NA release. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,085 battles Report post #72 Posted April 8, 2016 I was talking about Noblus video. Flamu is able to do well with any ship, but Noblus is having a really basic CV gameplay on his Saipan : no straffing (in fact 1, but he completely missed it), just click on the enemy planes to eradicate them. He was able to kill the fighter escort and then catch up the fleeing TB & DB to kill most of them. And how many games can you have with Hiryu in a T7 game where you only lose 1 TB to AA guns ?? I did the math : even without Air superiority skill, Saipan Fighters still win versus Hiryu fighters (but will certainly have more loss than in Noblus video). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #73 Posted April 8, 2016 Hiryu has 2/2/2 which is fantastic, I loved that boat. Of course its got two more torp bombers per strike but the Saipans are better, Saipan wins on fighters. Hiryu is limited to tier 6 torpedo bombers, so can struggle against North Carolinas and Iowas to get anything done. I suspect Saipan will be able to do more damage in hits against these high tier BBs than the other tier 7 CVs due to faster planes with more health. I just think it could do with a 2/2/1 i.e a 3 or 4 man dive squadron to give it a chance of DoT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSN] Ragweek Players 309 posts 9,074 battles Report post #74 Posted April 8, 2016 Hiryu is limited to tier 6 torpedo bombers I thought It had Tier 7 TB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poster_2015 Players 695 posts Report post #75 Posted April 8, 2016 Well watching flamu video just enforces my opinion to not buy it. I was hyped for it, but the nerf from 3 to 2 torp groups simply ruined it. Like i said before, its not even cutting the attack power by 33% (insane nerf level anyay), but about 50%, when you count the inevitable loses. They said "it was too good with 3 torp groups", and i said i could eventually believe it, but in fact i doubt it. The 8 DB AS setup is also silly. It means you have 0 chance of actually putting things on fire. Make it 2x4 DB and maybe it would be worth it. This ship desperately needs a buff. Only positive thing i got from this video - the CV itself is even smaller and harder to hit as a result then expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
