SR_FRIOL Players 219 posts Report post #1 Posted March 18, 2016 ... I don't know... when I first seen this announcement I felt disappointed. I was expecting for first premium CV the Enterprise (Yorktown class). So is there something going to make this Saipan special? Or is it going to be just another Independence class? What's the difference anyway if its low tier and possibly having the 1-1-1 setup or something similar to the others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonasnee Beta Tester 172 posts 11,436 battles Report post #2 Posted March 18, 2016 i'm pretty sure it will be tier 7 for 1 and it will from all i know have more aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] deadly_if_swallowed Players 1,678 posts 13,867 battles Report post #3 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Independence with 1-1-1 is a great moneymaker so I wouldn't mind getting a premium CV with similar setup. Edited March 18, 2016 by _Kyoshi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #4 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Saipan data from the test server, please have a look at: http://www.himmelsdo...full-datasheet/ This this information was found in the files of the current Public Test client. However, some things seem ‘odd’ to say the least. The fighters are upgraded Lexington (Tier 8) / stock Essex (Tier 9) planes, the AD-1 could potentially carry a torpedo but it was a post-war plane, introduced in 1946. That said, take these numbers with a pinch of salt as they’ll be very likely changed prior to release. Okay so if I'm reading this right it will be T7 with 5 squadrons. Each squadron will consists of three planes and the torpedo bomber squads are going to have the IJN torp spread. https://www.reddit.c...stserver_build/ DATA not FINAL! Edited March 18, 2016 by Trigger_Happy_Dad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44smok Players 4,367 posts 16,858 battles Report post #5 Posted March 19, 2016 Effectively 1/1,5/0 with good planes. Sounds interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] orlathebeast Beta Tester 630 posts 9,067 battles Report post #6 Posted March 20, 2016 2 fighters and 3 torpedo squad. 3 planes for squad. planes of essex. so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #7 Posted March 20, 2016 ... I don't know... when I first seen this announcement I felt disappointed. I was expecting for first premium CV the Enterprise (Yorktown class). So is there something going to make this Saipan special? Or is it going to be just another Independence class? What's the difference anyway if its low tier and possibly having the 1-1-1 setup or something similar to the others? How did you came to that conclusion. Its not exactly a secret that Saipan was allready modeled and tested (at least ship wise). While i understand the desire of Yorktown class I never expected to see it as tha 1st prem. Saipan allways was the perfect canidate. Not used in the curent techtree but allready Modled so dont takes much resorces others than playtesting its unusall planesetup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #8 Posted March 25, 2016 Supertesters are testing the Saipan in-game currently (imgur.com) [–]godzilla5549Hatsuduki best duki (godzilla5549@NA)[S] 11 Punkte vor 21 Stunden Loadout is 2/3/0 with 3 planes per squad https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/4bujop/supertesters_are_testing_the_saipan_ingame/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #9 Posted March 29, 2016 Saipan & Campbeltown Co-op Gameplay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #10 Posted March 29, 2016 reading the 0.5.4.1 patch notes it says: "Saipan aircraft carrier has been given additional flight control for Douglas AD2 bombers (besides the Vought F4U-4 fighters that were already being used on this carrier)." does this mean 2 - 3 - 1 ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #11 Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) reading the 0.5.4.1 patch notes it says: "Saipan aircraft carrier has been given additional flight control for Douglas AD2 bombers (besides the Vought F4U-4 fighters that were already being used on this carrier)." does this mean 2 - 3 - 1 ? Interesting! Maybe this gives the Saipan options for 2 different setups, likie 2-3-0 and 0-3-2? ;) Edited March 29, 2016 by Trigger_Happy_Dad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44smok Players 4,367 posts 16,858 battles Report post #12 Posted March 29, 2016 Oh boy 032 would be just cruel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Ictogan Players 1,841 posts 7,432 battles Report post #13 Posted March 29, 2016 Oh boy 032 would be just cruel Would be interesting to see. Due to the high tier planes it could probably just snipe the enemy carrier at the beginning of the game without getting a lot of planes shot down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #14 Posted March 29, 2016 would prefer a mix of fighters, TBs and DB's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OVanBruce Alpha Tester 2,543 posts 16,031 battles Report post #15 Posted March 29, 2016 Honestly, it's the most interesting premium ever released in WoWs imo. It's got such extreme weaknesses and strenghts that it will take an experienced player to bring the better of it. I ain't a CV optimate so I may be missjudging it but it will will be very versatile and very strong as top tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #16 Posted March 29, 2016 if it cannot carry any fighters in any of its loadouts then it is very weak. because all it takes is you to come up against an IJN CV and you are done completely. But yes in the hands of a competent player it is very powerful. was why i raced into a Shokaku before it was released Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,291 battles Report post #17 Posted March 30, 2016 3 planes per group? I dont know about that lads...Being a CV player myself. At that tier, planes get shot up pretty quickly by AA and not alot get through now-a-days. Having less per group means there is zero fudge factor involved. Who cares about the spread if you only have one left dropping stuff (if your lucky and they have no manual aim/perks). BB/CA captains wil love it tho, as there are less torps to dodge. Like Lankyland said, no fighter planes will kill it. I would go for the full strike 0-1-3 layout over this, as at least some of your torp planes will be left getting through. And i not a fan of Full Strike layouts at all! 2-2-2 for me Even the end game captain skill wont help it that much without fighters. Only extra bombers. EVERYONE aimes for the torp planes first. If you dont now, you should people! Well its all in the air so lets see what they bring out. I Belived they would bring out a US CV with more torp bombers (past treads), its the only way WG will sell it, and they will! Pay to play people. CVs are dead at the moment and they can see that. Thats why they got rid of the US Torp set up on higher tier CVs, clever WG, very clever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OMPG] Hauptbahnhof Beta Tester 1,198 posts 5,570 battles Report post #18 Posted March 30, 2016 3 planes per group? I dont know about that lads...Being a CV player myself. At that tier, planes get shot up pretty quickly by AA and not alot get through now-a-days. Isn't that the thing with the Saipan? Normally there will be 3 squads with a total of 9 torps incoming at the same time... That's more torps then both Tier 8 IJN ( Shokaku ) or any other USN CV can get their hands on. And they are very fast tier 9-10 planes in a T7 game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trigger_Happy_Dad Beta Tester 6,753 posts 7,907 battles Report post #19 Posted March 30, 2016 Isn't that the thing with the Saipan? Normally there will be 3 squads with a total of 9 torps incoming at the same time... That's more torps then both Tier 8 IJN ( Shokaku ) or any other USN CV can get their hands on. And they are very fast tier 9-10 planes in a T7 game... Old info. New info: News regarding Saipan. Source "Until now, the Saipan loadout (Mk7 mod1) consisted of 2 fighter squadron and 3 TB squadrons (consisting of 3 planes each) Her loadout will be modified to give players two options: Mk7 mod1: 3 fighter squadrons (3 planes each), 1 DB squadron (8 planes) Mk8 mod1: 2 fighter squadrons (3 planes each), 2 TB squadrons (3 planes each) The hangar capacity will remain as it currently is. The reason behind these changes was that, in her first iteration, Saipan could be played efficiently even by players who haven't touched CV's at all. Her first setup was adequate for a tier 8 ship, but not for tier 7. Now, we will make sure the new variants are in line with tier 7, as it was originally planned." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terios ∞ Players 119 posts 8,935 battles Report post #20 Posted March 30, 2016 Her loadout will be modified to give players two options: Mk7 mod1: 3 fighter squadrons (3 planes each), 1 DB squadron (8 planes) Mk8 mod1: 2 fighter squadrons (3 planes each), 2 TB squadrons (3 planes each) Noone should buy this ship with these layouts. 1x8 DB is joke, it's useless. It's going to be like a Bogue with the fighter setup. Just 1 press on damage control button and it's done. 2x3 TB with IJN drop pattern means 3-4 torp hits/strike that's also much weaker than Hiryu's 4-6, same as Ranger's 3-4, but both have additional DBs as well. Saipan in this form won't be competitive. If it stays like this I won't buy it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #21 Posted March 30, 2016 if they want to encouage people to buy it, this isnt the way to go 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #22 Posted March 30, 2016 can we not have fighters, torpedo bombers AND dive bombers, maybe a 2 - 2 - 1 or something. that would make some sense, or maybe even 2 - 2 - 2 of 3 planes each Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ton0kki Players 117 posts 7,003 battles Report post #23 Posted March 30, 2016 2x3 TB with IJN drop pattern means 3-4 torp hits/strike You need to practice your drops. It's relatively easy to hit them all. It should be 1 miss/squad at most in normal situations. I don't know if that layout is good enough, but last thing we need is more OP premiums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #24 Posted March 30, 2016 its not no, because at the same tier we have a Hiryu which has 2 2 2, which i think is a fantastic CV, it needs a squad of dive bombers to go with that. put that in and i am happy. The IJN drop when there is only 3 torpedo bombers in the squad is not actually too bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lankylad11_lankylad Players 765 posts 8,230 battles Report post #25 Posted March 30, 2016 the point here is that the Hiryu has tier 6 TBs and the Saipan has tier 10 TBs so they will be muuch faster and it will be harder for BBs to get out the way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
