PROPOSAL: Full German Capital Ships Line (BB/BC)

[scharnhorst43]

All those paper ships...I have say to I don't care one bit about them and that goes for all the lines.....as long as we get the few real ones first. The kriegsmarine was just a small fleet for goodness sake.

The pocket-battleship Graf Spee/Lutzow, batllecruiser Scharnhorst/Gneisenau and battleship Bismarck is all that the Kriegsmarine needs added to WoWs.

So that means just 3 ships...plz wargaming save the paper ships for last (when you run out of ideas)!

[Takemikazuchi_1121]

.... is all that the Kriegsmarine needs.

So that means just 3 ships...plz wargaming save the paper ships for last (when you run out of ideas)!

 

If you only look at the Kriegsmarine..........

 

 

[Deamon93]

All those paper ships...I have say to I don't care one bit about them and that goes for all the lines.....as long as we get the few real ones first. The kriegsmarine was just a small fleet for goodness sake.

The pocket-battleship Graf Spee/Lutzow, batllecruiser Scharnhorst/Gneisenau and battleship Bismarck is all that the Kriegsmarine needs added to WoWs.

So that means just 3 ships...plz wargaming save the paper ships for last (when you run out of ideas)!

 

Most of the BB/BC lines will be made of WWI era designs, the Kriegsmarine will just cover a relatively small percentage.

[1MajorKoenig]

All those paper ships...I have say to I don't care one bit about them and that goes for all the lines.....as long as we get the few real ones first. The kriegsmarine was just a small fleet for goodness sake.

The pocket-battleship Graf Spee/Lutzow, batllecruiser Scharnhorst/Gneisenau and battleship Bismarck is all that the Kriegsmarine needs added to WoWs.

So that means just 3 ships...plz wargaming save the paper ships for last (when you run out of ideas)!

 

I tried to build a line with as Little paper ships as possible. The BB/BC line only contains the Mackensens (which were almost completed), the successors Ersatz Yorck which were at least laid down and of Course paper on Tier 9 + 10 as there are no real designs to fit there.

[Comrad_StaIin]

i like that you dont call the "BCs" "BCs" as they are more of a fast BB

[506_Mephisto]

The only real papership will be H41. H39 hat construction started.

The Imperial Fleet had enough ships, to make it into Tier 6/7 without a problem.  In addition, with the exception of the Yamato all Tier 10 ships will be papers. If you look at the other nations BB trees you will realize, that ships below Tier 8 were WW1 or pre treaty ships as well. The only difference is, that Germany scuttled their fleet, to prevent it from being seized by the enemies  so they were not around in WW2 unlike the vessels of the allies.

The Kriegsmarine as rather small, with only 4 battleships indeed, but the Imperial Navy was one of the largest in the world.

It wouldn't be much of a problem, gameplay wise, to place some flaks here and there to make them viable.

[Historynerd]

The Kriegsmarine as rather small, with only 4 battleships indeed, but the Imperial Navy was one of the largest in the world.

 

If I'm not mistaken, during WWI the Kaiserliche Marine remained the second strongest navy, although perhaps the USA were trying to close the gap and maybe leapfrog them.

[506_Mephisto]

They came quite close, especially since construction of 2 battleships and 7 battlecruisers were stopped.

 

If I remember correctly both nations had 19 BBs comissioned at the end of WW1, but Germany had in addition 4 battlecruisers (Lützow and Goeben do not count, since Lützow was scuttled and Goeben was under turkish command).

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

<- me want

 

[1MajorKoenig]

<- me want

 

Most beautiful warship of all time 

[506_Mephisto]

Derfflinger is absolutely a keeper. Even if WG ruins her. She looks great, best looking warship indeed, and was a very sucessfull capital ship.

She might not be as large as Yamato, but at least she sank two enemy battlecruisers and took out a third... Yamato did... well nothing.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

If secondaries worked as they did IRL, a DD skipper trying to torpedo a BB would get only a free ticket to return to port in half a minute. I believe it's unnecessary to explain why those thing work differently in the game. Still, doesn't mean that they should be only coreography. 

Besides, they're not exactly useless as of now. I currently have a puny 243 battles under my belt, yet I've somehow managed to destroy two ships with my secondaries. It's little, but something.

 

Similar here, 7 destroyed after some 600 battles. Not huge and mostly finishing of the last 20 hitpoints. You Can pretty much ignore them apart from the fact they might irritate attacking DDs in close quarters. But I wouldn't count on that 

[1MajorKoenig]

Ladies and Gents,

 

 

our heavies are approaching: whispers tell for Gemescon.

 

Knowing that there will be for sure only one line for a LONG time (if ever) I am asking myself: which ships do we want to see in the release tree? There are at least multiple possible positions on each Tier apart from the (boring & paper) high tiers.

 

T3 Nassau or Von der Tann?

T4 Kaiser or Moltke? Or maybe Seydlitz?

T5 König, Derfflinger or Mackensen?

T6 Bayern or Ersatz Yorck?

T7 Gneisenau or L20a ("Schlesien")?

T8+ no doubt here (Bismarck, Götz von Berlichingen, etc.)

[Phlogistoned]

Von der Tann

Seydlitz

Derfflinger

Bayern

Scharnhorst <- Armament feels a bit weak for T7 though. Even with planned 6x38xm upgrade. Also, I *really* hope we get her with atlantic bow.

Bismarck

H39

H41

[Xerkics]

Its funny i think there is a very similar thread on the ru forums.

http://forum.worldofwarships.ru/index.php?/topic/52453-%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%83%D0%B5%D0%BC-%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA/

[1MajorKoenig]

Its funny i think there is a very similar thread on the ru forums.

http://forum.worldofwarships.ru/index.php?/topic/52453-%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%83%D0%B5%D0%BC-%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA/

 

Do you speak russian? What are they talking about? Was only able to real "Derfflinger "...

[506_Mephisto]

So far WG has already mentioned Nassau and Kaiser if I remember correctly in their plans for 2016, obviously being the Tier 3 and Tier 4 battleships. On the other hand however, they said, that Yavuz (Ex SMS Goeben) won't be in the game, since Turkey has, unlike for example Poland, a rather small playerbase. However they said, we will get SMS Moltke, Goeben's class leader ship, sometime. Since both,  Moltke and Kaiser are tier 4 material however, it is hard to say, which ships we will get at first.

[thestaggy]

Ladies and Gents,

 

 

 

our heavies are approaching: whispers tell for Gemescon.

 

 

Knowing that there will be for sure only one line for a LONG time (if ever) I am asking myself: which ships do we want to see in the release tree? There are at least multiple possible positions on each Tier apart from the (boring & paper) high tiers.

 

 

T3 Nassau or Von der Tann?

T4 Kaiser or Moltke? Or maybe Seydlitz?

T5 König, Derfflinger or Mackensen?

T6 Bayern or Ersatz Yorck?

T7 Gneisenau or L20a ("Schlesien")?

T8+ no doubt here (Bismarck, Götz von Berlichingen, etc.)

 

I would like a BC/BB hybrid line if it is going to be the only ''heavy'' line for a while.

 

T3 - von der Tann

T4 - Moltke. Seydlitz as a possible premium.

T5 - Derfflinger. Hipper's flagship Lutzow and/or the König as tier 5 premiums.

T6 - Ersatz Yorck. Bayern as a possible premium.

T7 - Gneisenau

T8 - Bismarck

T9 & T10 - H39 and H42?

[Mucker]

I'm currently in the "go fast" camp:

 

3: Moltke

4: Derfflinger

5: Mackensen

6: Ersatz Yorck

7: SH/GN

8: Bismarck

9: H39

X: H41

 

There you go, a consistent BC / fast-BB tree, Slow BBs could be introduced as Premiums,

 

[mr3awsome]

Well we've seen Kaiser in one of the videos, being rendered, so that fills in the tier IV slot.

As we know Bismarck has also been tested, I would guess the following:

 

Nassau

Kaiser

Konig

Bayern

Scharnhorst

Bismarck

H-39

H-41

 

Plus, Mackensen and ersatz Yorck are more tiers VI and VII respectively.

[Xerkics]

 

Do you speak russian? What are they talking about? Was only able to real "Derfflinger "...

 

Yeah Russian is my first language. it's pretty much same as here what ship would go what tier etc  you can make your browser auto transLte it , it won't be exact but it's close.

[VC381]

Scharnhorst/Gneisenau would be quite awesome I think. 9 guns with decent RoF will make them one of the best, if not THE best, cruiser killing BBs. They are also cruiser fast and their whole setup implies long range so they could easily kite any BB in their tier range except Amagi/Iowa and resort to HE spam to burn them down. I think because of the way the game meta works they would be really strong Tier 7s. That's the most logical place for them but TBH they would be borderline OP, all cruiser captains will rage...

 

Kaiser Tier IV? Hmm... Kaiser and Konig are too similar IMO to have both and although they have "only" 305mm guns those guns were equivalent in power to the RN 13.5" and the USN 14", so basically they are New York equivalent and therefore Tier 5. I imagine Tier 4 will be their opportunity to sneak a BC in, likely Moltke if she's been talked about already.

 

Just my opinion/guesswork based on what we know of the game and piecing together rumours.

[Trainspite]

I don't think they would try and sneak a BC into a BB line, considering how Germany can quite comfortably construct a BC line. If anything, a premium BC is likely, so Seydlitz gets my bets.

[BuccaneerBill]

Scharnhorst/Gneisenau would be quite awesome I think. 9 guns with decent RoF will make them one of the best, if not THE best, cruiser killing BBs. They are also cruiser fast and their whole setup implies long range so they could easily kite any BB in their tier range except Amagi/Iowa and resort to HE spam to burn them down. I think because of the way the game meta works they would be really strong Tier 7s. That's the most logical place for them but TBH they would be borderline OP, all cruiser captains will rage...

 

Kaiser Tier IV? Hmm... Kaiser and Konig are too similar IMO to have both and although they have "only" 305mm guns those guns were equivalent in power to the RN 13.5" and the USN 14", so basically they are New York equivalent and therefore Tier 5. I imagine Tier 4 will be their opportunity to sneak a BC in, likely Moltke if she's been talked about already.

 

Just my opinion/guesswork based on what we know of the game and piecing together rumours.

 

Yea the guns on the Scharnhorst will be cruiser killers, but will totally suck against any non broadside battleship. Just a load of AP autobounces imo plus the German HE is fairly poor. That and the 45mm upper belt, which cruiser AP should wreck and BB shells will find easy citadel's through cept at close range, can't really see it being OP at tier 7, just a different, refreshing play style.

 

Kaiser/Koenig will be interesting/powerful at tier 4. I guess they will have no AA so should be OK. That and I don't think they are up to say 13.5" green boy shells, especially with autobounce mechanics.  But their going to be very mean to tier 4 BBs, CLs that is for sure.

 

[Historynerd]

Kaiser Tier IV? Hmm... Kaiser and Konig are too similar IMO to have both and although they have "only" 305mm guns those guns were equivalent in power to the RN 13.5" and the USN 14", so basically they are New York equivalent and therefore Tier 5. I imagine Tier 4 will be their opportunity to sneak a BC in, likely Moltke if she's been talked about already.

 

Apart from the mediocre performance of real-life British shells, that will not be a factor in the game, there are other factors that need to be considered before deeming the 30.5 cm gun at the same level of the foreign guns.

 

Although its performance against armor (at least around 10'000 m) was similar to the British 13.5-inch and the American 14-inch gun, its range was slightly smaller (even compared to the American gun, although the latter's maximum elevation was smaller, 15° against 16°), and the advantage in terms of weight of shell and bursting charge is on course sitting on the side of the British and American guns. Their RoF was rather high, though.

So, all in all, how will they be? If the historical route is followed, they probably should have flat firing arcs, have a relatively small reload time, similar penetration power to their Tier 5 counterparts but smaller damage to compensate.

 

As for the difference between the Kaiser and the König, remember that the former may have the same ten guns as the latter, but the disposition is much more awkward, so that for all practical purposes it has only an eight gun broadside.