Unplayable game

[OOAndreasOO]

Today i was playing with my ARP KONGO

 

I was 100%

 

The crap DD named "Blyscawica" sink me in this way:

1 - using only guns (not torpedoes)

2 - I never NEVER see him...Simply staing at range and using smoke when i tryed to close distance.

3 - I cant do anyting to return fire him

4 - Not a single hit pierced my citadel...my ship sinked expecially for fire damages.

 

I just ask developers and other players if a such game can:

1 - Be funny for players (oh...yes...Blyscawica pay-to-win monkey had a lot of fun...but i think i'll change game soon if that's WG politics)

2 - Be ridicolous: A DD can sink a BBS using gun

     Can be a BBS sinked only destroying superstructures and without a single hit inside citadel?

     Tell me a single episode in naval history when a DD sinked a full life BBS using guns.

     What hell there is so flammable on the main deck of a BBS that she can be sinked only by fire?

3 - Be playable: I dunno what will be the future of this game, but a game where a player cant do anything to avoid lose is a FAIL GAME.

 

 

Note for WG:

Pls stop with Russian and Poland OP ships spam.

I cante believe to see Russian 150mm guns with range (19 km?????) greater than a 203mm (16 km)...that's simply ridicolous.

I cant believe to see Russian and Poland DDs with firepower greater than same tier Cruisers

Now you'll introduce Russian cruisers...Another spam of OP machines that will trasform our JIN and USN cruisers in trash?.

Pls be serious: introduce ROYAL NAVY and others very big Navy of the WWII like Italian and French

 

 

[anonym_2tbciotKZpEX]

That's PvP for you. If you can't stand it I suggest playing co-op battles. It's all bots so you won't have to worry about running into players who shoot from behind smoke.

[Tyrendian89]

That's PvP for you. If you can't stand it I suggest playing co-op battles. It's all bots so you won't have to worry about running into players who shoot from behind smoke. know what they're doing

 

ftfy.

 

the answer for you, OP, is: don't go off on a solo rush. Stealth firing only works against the front of the enemy lines (especially in a Blyska which has a pretty narrow Stealthfiring corridor). Or, alternatively, if it's late in the match and there is no support nearby, grow a brain yourself and figure out a way to corner him.

[Xevious_Red]

-Ask a friendly CV to send some planes to spot him

-Ask a friendly DD to spot him (it only needs to get within 10.75 / 11.5km to spot him if he's firing and not in smoke)

-Ask a friendly cruiser to go spot him.

 

If there are none of them within 10km of you, you are totally in the wrong place. If there are none of them because they're all dead and you're on 100% HP then you've been far too passive and the match is already basically lost.

 

- Use land mass to block his shots (the blysk shells have a low arc so don't go over islands/mountains well)

-Turn away and sail away from him. The Kongo is pretty fast, he'll either need to break off, or follow you. If he follows, drag him towards friendlies at which point he'll either need to break off or get spotted.

If there are no friendlies within a reasonable distance, you're completely in the wrong place and should stop sailing unsupported 

[ColonelPete]

Must have taken him ages.

 

Just stay with the fleet, do not go off alone.

[peoplescavalry]

Lots of people giving great information but the basic premise is still there, a DD sinking a BB by gunfire is a total joke, with its Romulan cloaking device and laser HE shells that can melt steel hulls.

[ColonelPete]

Why is that a joke?

It takes ages. And if the BB reacts wrong, it sinks.

[daki]

Lots of people giving great information but the basic premise is still there, a DD sinking a BB by gunfire is a total joke, with its Romulan cloaking device and laser HE shells that can melt steel hulls.

 

Your basic premise is absolutely wrong.

A battleship who allows to be destroyed and most of its health taken out by a single DD (by guns) is just a bad play from BB captain side.

It did happen to me several times, and every single it was the result of my bad judgement and nothing else.

Sorry to say but you cannot expect the game mechanics to "reward" this type of bad play from a BB.

[051G3]

Lots of people giving great information but the basic premise is still there, a DD sinking a BB by gunfire is a total joke, with its Romulan cloaking device and laser HE shells that can melt steel hulls.

 

It does not seem to be of any use reasoning here. Those DD lovers will typically tell you:

1) ask help from other ships

2) you are a bad player, get more training

3) this is just a game, what is reality?

4) every setting regarding the DD in WoW is perfect

 

[Kurbain]

I don't see where the issue is.

 

If you got sunk by a Blyskawica even though you had 100% HP you must have allowed it to shoot at you for several minutes without doing anything about it, which is a big mistake.

In my Blyskawica I much rather shoot at CAs, CVs and DDs because its 120mm HE barely does any damage to BBs most of the time.

And anybody that claims fires couldn't destroy a BB should check the American damage reports from WW2. Fires caused a signficant amount of combat losses due to gas, munition and fuel explosions.

[warlock07rox]

Gotta agree it is ridiculous that ships can remain invisible and keep spamming shells which u can see but can't see the ship that fires them.

 

 WG logic makes no sense

[Mucker]

I'm not a DD lover, but there is a simple solution to the problem the OP describes. 

Just turn away until you are out of the DDs range. He then either chooses to stay hidden or he will come after you, thus losing his concealment.

[Aotearas]

Classic case of 'l2p'.

 

What you left out to mention is how bloody long it must've took the DD to actually sink you with only guns and fire damage (assuming you had any significant percentage of your health left when it began). Between damage control and damage repair, that takes minutes. Minutes you could've used to retreat back to your fleet (since you must've been isolated in the first place to give an DD all this time to fire on you unimpeded), call for help, etc. pp.!

 

And before anyone tries to dismiss my comment as "DD luvr, brb", I'm primarily playing BBs right now.

[ParEx]

 

It does not seem to be of any use reasoning here. Those DD lovers will typically tell you:

1) ask help from other ships

2) you are a bad player, get more training

3) this is just a game, what is reality?

4) every setting regarding the DD in WoW is perfect

 

 

It has nothing to do with "DD lovers" and stuff. Its just a brainthing.

DDs are BBs enemy, so a lone BB is a prey to every DD with at least one braincell. And if the captain has a well trained crew and knows what he is doing: he deserves the kill. Stay at distance and spam HE and burn the BB to death. That simple.

Why have I never heard a BB complaining about he can kill a CA at a range a CA can never fire back? Probably with only one or two salvos? No complain? Yeah, cause BBs are perfectly fine.

 

Paper is OP, Scissors is balanced, said the rock.

[warlock07rox]

Classic case of 'l2p'.

 

What you left out to mention is how bloody long it must've took the DD to actually sink you with only guns and fire damage (assuming you had any significant percentage of your health left when it began). Between damage control and damage repair, that takes minutes. Minutes you could've used to retreat back to your fleet (since you must've been isolated in the first place to give an DD all this time to fire on you unimpeded), call for help, etc. pp.!

 

And before anyone tries to dismiss my comment as "DD luvr, brb", I'm primarily playing BBs right now.

 

Not always feasible what happens if your in your bb last ship standing and the dd just staying invisible spamming He until your dead is that fair , balanced or makes any sense whatsoever? that 1 ship has all the advantages .

[Aotearas]

 

Not always feasible what happens if your in your bb last ship standing and the dd just staying invisible spamming He until your dead is that fair , balanced or makes any sense whatsoever? that 1 ship has all the advantages .

 

And?

 

If your team got killed and you're the last ship alive, you're subject to the same balance. What if the only remaining enemy ship is a cruiser? Tough love trying to duel a BB with a cruiser.

 

BBs are not supposed to primarily fight DDs and subsequently aren't good at it. That's the role of the cruisers and gunboat DDs on your team. If they went and died leaving the enemy DDs to harass you at their leasure, complain about your teammates not playing well enough (maybe you could've helped with killing the enemy cruisers and BBs faster?). Don't complain about the enemy DD who's doing his job well!

[051G3]

I don't see where the issue is.

 

If you got sunk by a Blyskawica even though you had 100% HP you must have allowed it to shoot at you for several minutes without doing anything about it, which is a big mistake.

 

In my Blyskawica I much rather shoot at CAs, CVs and DDs because its 120mm HE barely does any damage to BBs most of the time.

 

And anybody that claims fires couldn't destroy a BB should check the American damage reports from WW2. Fires caused a signficant amount of combat losses due to gas, munition and fuel explosions.

 

Try to name 1 single BB killed by fire caused by DD

[Aotearas]

 

Try to name 1 single BB killed by fire caused by DD

 

Try to give 1 single quote from the developers that says this game is a 100% historically accurate naval warfare simulation.

[Xevious_Red]

 

Not always feasible what happens if your in your bb last ship standing and the dd just staying invisible spamming He until your dead is that fair , balanced or makes any sense whatsoever? that 1 ship has all the advantages .

 

same can be said for other situations though:

 

A destroyer that ends up with a unit of fighters sitting above him can be out of gun range and unable to conceal, while everyone else shoots him.

 

A CV that has had all its planes shot down is a large target for shooting practise

 

A Cruiser that gets spotted (planes or dd) can be shelled by BB while being unable to return fire.

 

A ship that left vs a CV thats hidden will face repeated sets of planes without being able to shoot the carrier

[KptStrzyga]

Today i was playing with my ARP KONGO

 

I was 100%

 

The crap DD named "Blyscawica" sink me in this way:

1 - using only guns (not torpedoes)

2 - I never NEVER see him...Simply staing at range and using smoke when i tryed to close distance.

3 - I cant do anyting to return fire him

4 - Not a single hit pierced my citadel...my ship sinked expecially for fire damages.

 

I just ask developers and other players if a such game can:

1 - Be funny for players (oh...yes...Blyscawica pay-to-win monkey had a lot of fun...but i think i'll change game soon if that's WG politics)

2 - Be ridicolous: A DD can sink a BBS using gun

     Can be a BBS sinked only destroying superstructures and without a single hit inside citadel?

     Tell me a single episode in naval history when a DD sinked a full life BBS using guns.

     What hell there is so flammable on the main deck of a BBS that she can be sinked only by fire?

3 - Be playable: I dunno what will be the future of this game, but a game where a player cant do anything to avoid lose is a FAIL GAME.

 

 

Note for WG:

Pls stop with Russian and Poland OP ships spam.

I cante believe to see Russian 150mm guns with range (19 km?????) greater than a 203mm (16 km)...that's simply ridicolous.

I cant believe to see Russian and Poland DDs with firepower greater than same tier Cruisers

Now you'll introduce Russian cruisers...Another spam of OP machines that will trasform our JIN and USN cruisers in trash?.

Pls be serious: introduce ROYAL NAVY and others very big Navy of the WWII like Italian and French

 

 

ROFL, owned so hard that raging in chat wasn`t enough, you had to take your rage all the way to the forums! 

GJ Błyska, nicely done. 

[warlock07rox]

 

same can be said for other situations though:

 

A destroyer that ends up with a unit of fighters sitting above him can be out of gun range and unable to conceal, while everyone else shoots him.

 

A CV that has had all its planes shot down is a large target for shooting practise

 

A Cruiser that gets spotted (planes or dd) can be shelled by BB while being unable to return fire.

 

A ship that left vs a CV thats hidden will face repeated sets of planes without being able to shoot the carrier

 

A cruiser can close range as they're faster than BB while in the above scenario the bb cant do a thing so a cruise can at least shell the bb and dodge it can do something and i've never seen a carrier run out of planes .

 

And?

 

If your team got killed and you're the last ship alive, you're subject to the same balance. What if the only remaining enemy ship is a cruiser? Tough love trying to duel a BB with a cruiser.

 

BBs are not supposed to primarily fight DDs and subsequently aren't good at it. That's the role of the cruisers and gunboat DDs on your team. If they went and died leaving the enemy DDs to harass you at their leasure, complain about your teammates not playing well enough. Don't complain about the enemy DD who's doing his job well!

 

So this balanced game has ships that can't counter other ships so much for game balance when 1 ship can own all others with no comeback

[Niibler]

 BB got sunk. 

A nasty DD made a nice barbecue, the BB captain is here just to show the barbecue was correctly seasoned with the right amount of SALT.

 

Note: If you allow a single DD burn you out from 100% HP to 0% then you are doing something seriously wrong so I have to agree with the OP on this one, changing game may be the best option for him.

 

[Hedgehog1963]

Makes you wonder these forums. Always amazed at the indignancy of BB players who are appalled that other classes of ship should even be allowed to do them damage.

[Aotearas]

 

A cruiser can close range as they're faster than BB while in the above scenario the bb cant do a thing so a cruise can at least shell the bb and dodge it can do something and i've never seen a carrier run out of planes .

 

Never seen a carrier run out of planes? You must've never been in a game where an air superiourity CV fights a non-air superiourity CV.

 

 

So this balanced game has ships that can't counter other ships so much for game balance when 1 ship can own all others with no comeback

 

Beginner's guide on how to counter a DD:

 

1. Spot DD

2. Shoot DD

3. ???

4. Profit

 

What can spot DDs?

 

Airplanes, either automated ones from cruisers/BBs, or manually controlled ones from the CV.

Other DDs.

Any other ship in close enough proximity.

Soon-to-be Radar consumable will automatically spot anything within its radius (up to 11km) for its duration, regardless of visual cover or smoke.

 

What can a DD do to avoid being spotted?

 

Smoke up (useless against soon-to-be Radar, useless against Hydroacoustic Search is too close)

Run away (useless if CV player just keeps spotting him with airplanes, since DDs have bad AA that takes ages to shoot down aircraft if they can at all)

 

What can a DD do when it's not spotted?

 

All the things.

 

 

What can any other ship do when it's not spotted?

 

All the things.

 

 

So what is needed to kill a DD?

 

Spot it.

 

 

Is a BB good at spotting a DD?

 

No.

 

 

Should a BB therefore have an advantage over a DD in a 1vs1, or the DD not have an advantage vice versa?

 

No.

 

 

Balance is in effect and working as intended. A lone BB facing a DD when everyone else died simply drew the short stick of it. It happens. Deal with it.

/end of lecture

 

 

[warlock07rox]

Makes you wonder these forums. Always amazed at the indignancy of BB players who are appalled that other classes of ship should even be allowed to do them damage.

 

There's doing damage and there's being able to do nothing to counter that's the difference in the above situation he may as well have just closed the window and watched tv or something cos there was nothing he could do .