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HMS Sheffield Sinking

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Calm and precise in words, Sub Lt Iacovou explains the horrific attack on HMS Sheffield; shows the power of a single missile to such a ship.

(Thanks to rancidpunk for highlighting my poor wording.)

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nice, missile close age of Battleship, :ohmy:

 

Go tell that to the Iowas which served in Desert Storm :teethhappy:

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View PostCattro, on 04 December 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

Calm and precise; shows the power of a single missile to such a ship.

 

Not really in best taste there bro, people I served with who might be playing this game lost friends and comrades in that video.


 
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Not really in best taste there bro, people I served with who might be playing this game lost friends and comrades in that video.

 

 

Apologies, my reference to Calm and Precise was the words of the Sub Lt who spoke so calmly of the situation; not the Argentina attack. Don't worry, I come from a large military family ranging from RAF to RN, and am joining up myself; so I completely understand your point - thank you for pointing this out. I will edit it suitably soon.

Thank you for your service.

 

- Cattro

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There where many reasons why HMS Sheffield was hit (I was on HMS Antrim at the time).  The video is not actually showing the Exocet impacting Sheffield but rather a test shoot of Exocet (probable a RN test).

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Sheff was lost because of allot of factors, it unintentionally Jammed its own radar with its sat coms  because it was talking to Northwood at the time, a major factor in delaying the detection of the missile and making it allot harder to destroy or remove from play with seductive countermeasures.  The video is a test shoot, that ship is not a 42. At least she didn't go in vain, the improvements to countermeasures and CIWS were largely to do with the RN's experience in the Falklands war and you can see that on the new 45's with their equipment fit.  

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irc  The Excocet  that hit the Sheffield didn't actually explode,  instead it was the fire caused by its  fuel and rocket motor that  set the ship afire and caused her loss.   In hindsight  that's one small blessing to count, as had the warhead gone off a lot more  people would have died.

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Actually the shore battery Exocet that hit Glamorgan didn't explode. the Sheffield missile did.  Sheffield was on Radar picket (because of a lack of AEW aircraft) and while it was true she didn't see the missile till late this was not unexpected (I worked for a time as a Type 42 Radar maintainer so am aware of the issues) especially as the search radar was off to transmit Sat Coms.  The RN at the time was not equipped to deal with the 'new' sea-skimming missile threat.

 

As as aside this missile hit didn't sink Sheffield, she was scuttled by the RN rather than being towed back to UK (a journey she probable wouldn't have made).

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This is a sensitive subject for sure.

 

With the lack of aircraft carriers for another few years, I hope the RN does not incurr more losses arent incurred from a lack of AEW aircraft.

 

*Salute*

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Indeed Raider, especially as the Argentines are trying to get SU-24's. But in any situation AEW is  must for modern naval operations. 

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JEFFW

 

The situation with the missiles was the reverse.  It is generally accepted that the missile that struck the Sheffield did not explode, is did penetrate the ships side and the rocket motor ignited flammable materials including fuel oil from a gravity fed fuel tank.  The missile that struck Glamorgan contacted the deck edge combing and exploded blowing a hole in the deck, the remains of the missile then continued on through the side of the hanger and destroyed a fully armed and fuelled helicopter in the hanger.

 

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I thought I read some where that the SATCOM position on the Type 42 DD was a compromise due to lack of space and it was known that this would render the ship vulnerable. I seem to remember that Friedman notes that the larger Type 82 CG [HMS Bristol] didn't have this conflict of systems. Can any of the RN personnel confirm that the Type 82 didn't have that same problem as the Type 42?

 


 


 

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John, you may well be correct, it was a long time ago....


 


 

 

 

Bristol was a much larger ship than the Type 42 (but still a Destroyer) and was a one-off design which was meant to be an escort for the cancelled carriers.  She was a similar size to the County Class she was designed to replace. The issue with Satcoms and Type 1022 radar was well known but there was it was never envisaged that the Type 42 would serve as Radar picket, Bristol had a variant of the Type 965 search radar found on the County Class Destroyers which also had the same issue (if I remember correctly from my time on HMS Antrim).

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The book 'Four weeks in May' By Captain David Hart Dyke, Commanding officer of HMS Coventry, gives a eye opening account of the war the fact he says "I was calm and prepared to die" gives you chills like no other. He also describes the details of the sinking of HMS Sheffield, Captain Sam Salt, the first eye account of the sinking of both these ships and the Captains injuries truly make you question how people can fire weapons and kill people in the name of calling them a 'Enemy'. For those of you fellow Brits, David Hart Dyke is the Captain of Miranda Hart, the BBC 1 comedian! If you can get a copy cheap of his book I highly  recommend it, I myself have read it at least 5 times.

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In addition I would recommend RADM Sandy Woodward's book 100 days too.

Gives a clear view on the whole happening.

For me it was a must read in my education to charge chief of a frigate.

Unfortunately the Goalkeeper CIWS was still undergoing trails when the crisis started.

Pretty ironically the exocet was (is?) a french-british developement.

The Falklands have, how unfortunate the Royal Navy may have been, served NATO until the day we live in now.

FOST-doctrines of damage control, etc. are still based on the experience gained during this conflict.

I really hope other NATO navies will participate more actively whenever such thing might happen again.

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On 1/10/2015 at 1:25 PM, jeffw said:

Actually the shore battery Exocet that hit Glamorgan didn't explode. the Sheffield missile did.  Sheffield was on Radar picket (because of a lack of AEW aircraft) and while it was true she didn't see the missile till late this was not unexpected (I worked for a time as a Type 42 Radar maintainer so am aware of the issues) especially as the search radar was off to transmit Sat Coms.  The RN at the time was not equipped to deal with the 'new' sea-skimming missile threat.

 

As as aside this missile hit didn't sink Sheffield, she was scuttled by the RN rather than being towed back to UK (a journey she probable wouldn't have made).

I think the main problem with the sheffield was the fact the AAWO was had nipped out for a fag or something and they were somewhat unprepared for what followed......

 

Jeffw - what sneaky beaky stuff was Antrim up to? It's the only warship from the falklands, that came back at least, who's ships log isn't in the National Archives. What were you doing on the 21st May? I am currently doing an analysis of the Argentine air attacks, trying to square off the ships they think they attacked with those that were actually attacked.....

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On 12/13/2014 at 6:55 AM, jeffw said:

There where many reasons why HMS Sheffield was hit (I was on HMS Antrim at the time).  The video is not actually showing the Exocet impacting Sheffield but rather a test shoot of Exocet (probable a RN test).

HMS Antrim was the first warship I had a really good look round when she visited the Bahamas in the late 70's. I think she was escort for the Britannia when the Queen visited Nassau. We were in Freeport and Antrim docked for a few days and my family hosted a couple of young sailers for dinner etc to give them a taste of home life. In thanks they took me on a tour of the ship to see as much as I was allowed.Only places off limits were the magazines / arsenals and control room - for obvious reasons.

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Sorry for going totally off-topic, but Shiney Shef's sister ship, HMS Coventry (DDG) also got sunk during the war.

There is one heck of a good (almost 1 hour) documentary of her action right here:

 

She was not sunk by the infamous AM-39 Exocet, but by 2 Argy A-4 Skyhawks delivering iron bombs (MK.82's I believe), while she was doing the 64 combo with HMS Broadsword (Type 22 FFG) on 25th of May (Cinco de Mayo celebration in Argentine)

 

Multiple interviews of her Skipper, Chief Radio and her OPSOFF.

 

Cheers and happy holidays, folks :)

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Nice picture showing crew shooting with all arms they had (including all rifles and pistols) when attacked. Actaually happened and well documented.

Air warning RADAR's in those days were known to disturb the signal of SATCOM. So it was either one or the other.

 

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