The King is dead (Yamato)! Long live the new king (Moskva)!

[MATREKUS]

In short. Moskva. Double the HP of all t10 crusiers. Insane armour. Cant be hurted with AP salvos from t8 and t9 BBs..insane AP damage. Can oneshot citadel North Carolina from 17 km. 

Last night one was parked in the middle of the map and three ships (me in Amagi) AP spammed him to his broadside. Damage done? ahahahaha What damage?

 

 

well done WG...I hope its just a "beta ship"

 

 

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[ghostbuster_]

i watched the streams of really good players playing with moskva. Its armor is not insane. and t8-9 BBs can score massive hits on it. i guess you just couldnt aim well for its citadels. 

[MATREKUS]

And citadels are in his port?

[LilJumpa]

Watch some reviews of people who actually drove that monstrosity and know what they are talking about because they actually have high tier expirience. Your "assessment" may be flawed and plain crap.

 

examples (there are probably more)

 

Flamu:

 

Crysantos:

 

https://www.twitch.tv/crysantos/v/53524283

at 3:40:00

[Pastaiolo]

Until you try one yourself, you might want to avoid catastrophic comments about ships you didn't even play or have no clue about.

[ghostbuster_]

nope citadels are there but i guess you couldnt hit them. 

[ShockPirat]

62 is double of 51? Did something happen to math since my school days?

[Shaka_D]

62 is double of 51? Did something happen to math since my school days?

 

What? You went to school?

[ColonelPete]

It is good, but not insane good.

And if you are not careful (and spec for stealth), you get focused into oblivion.

[Sonic_157]

 

Before Soviet DDs were introduced there were similar (speculative) threads about how OP they were.

The reality was much different ofc. Don't judge ships before they are even released.

 

 

[Slezman]

 

Don't judge ships before they are even released.

 

 

Some of us can play them. All of us can meet them in battle. There is subject to be judged then.

[Bismarck_chan]

I saw 230mm shells ripping through a Moskva in Flamu's vid. I think battleship calibers should not have too much of a problem dealing with a Moskva. And she is as good at hiding as a mountain covered in searchlights.

[Tyrendian89]

It is good, but not insane good.

 

 

which, frankly, is bloody well needed to be competitive at T10. From Flamu's initial judgement (which I trust quite a bit) and what I saw both from him and Raskeria (which is way less reliable because I was just watching them. but still gave me an impression) I feel like they balanced her pretty decently, except for a bit too much maneuverability for a ship that size.

[Mindfulcrane07]

Some of us can play them. All of us can meet them in battle. There is subject to be judged then.

 

they are not released yet and are still subject to change so i would wait with judgeing them before they are released

[22cm]

 

Before Soviet DDs were introduced there were similar (speculative) threads about how OP they were.

The reality was much different ofc. Don't judge ships before they are even released.

 

 

 

Them DDs being nerfed soon after release for no reason,  I guess? 

[ShockPirat]

"Before Soviet DDs were introduced there were similar (speculative) threads about how OP they were.

 

The reality was much different ofc. Don't judge ships before they are even released."

 

But Soviet DDs were overpowered, especially in their "stream test" stage. Their shooting concealment penalty used to be 4 km (which was horribly overpowered, Khaba was able to invisifore from ~12km), and got nerfed to 6 km before release JUST BECAUSE OF STREAM TESTERS. And then Kiev was the most popular ship for ranked in season 2 (tier 7 ship in tier 8 matches). That resulted in Kiev specifically getting nerf to hp and ALL tier 5+ RU DDs getting nerf to their HE damage and fire chance. 2 months after they were released. Now they are ok.

 

That being said, from what I've seen RU cruisers in their current state don't seem overpowered to me. Moskva might have an edge in a straight 1v1 fight against most cruisers, but at tier 10 concealment specced Zao and DM have 4 and 3 km better concealment so they get the first salvo on the angle they choose (and if it's a good angle both are able of deleting half Moskva's hp), or can even simply avoid it. And because of concealment Moskva will suffer much more to battleships.

[ilhilh]

Another sensationalist style complaint from Tvrdi, and of course with little evidence to back it up.  Just because you did not get a citadel doesn't mean it cannot be citadelled.  There have been countless times I have expected a citadel on a broadside CA whilst in a BB and never been rewarded with one. RNG.

 

I have just finished watching Flamu's commentary of the Moskva and it does looks like it will be an interesting ship... but one that will a) punish any mistakes made and b) definitely can get citadeled - hell he citadels another Moskva essentially from stern on.  You also have to keep in mind that he is obviously going to show you a good game in order to show you what the ship is capable of as opposed to one where he dies in the first few minutes but he does comment on the fact that it has taken him some games to adjust.  And of course he is an excellent player.

[Roter_Funke]

Yamato is not a king. It is an emperor. It is THE emperor. So take Your paper ship and bring her on. I will have my Yamato before summer and will give You a little one on one up Your soviet behind any day. You will choose the range. I don´t care. BANZAI !

 

[Mindfulcrane07]

Yamato is not a king. It is an emperor. It is THE emperor. So take Your paper ship and bring her on. I will have my Yamato before summer and will give You a little one on one up Your soviet behind any day. You will choose the range. I don´t care. BANZAI !

 

 

what would be the point of that? one on one BB versus CA? seems legit

[Vulgarny]

"Before Soviet DDs were introduced there were similar (speculative) threads about how OP they were.

 

The reality was much different ofc. Don't judge ships before they are even released."

 

But Soviet DDs were overpowered, especially in their "stream test" stage. Their shooting concealment penalty used to be 4 km (which was horribly overpowered, Khaba was able to invisifore from ~12km), and got nerfed to 6 km before release JUST BECAUSE OF STREAM TESTERS. And then Kiev was the most popular ship for ranked in season 2 (tier 7 ship in tier 8 matches). That resulted in Kiev specifically getting nerf to hp and ALL tier 5+ RU DDs getting nerf to their HE damage and fire chance. 2 months after they were released. Now they are ok.

 

That being said, from what I've seen RU cruisers in their current state don't seem overpowered to me. Moskva might have an edge in a straight 1v1 fight against most cruisers, but at tier 10 concealment specced Zao and DM have 4 and 3 km better concealment so they get the first salvo on the angle they choose (and if it's a good angle both are able of deleting half Moskva's hp), or can even simply avoid it. And because of concealment Moskva will suffer much more to battleships.

 

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[ShockPirat]

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Do the math. I know it might be hard for you, but if you do your best I'm sure you will manage.

[Azalgor]

Yamato is long since crap that can be citadelled from any angle just like Montana. Soviets will be OP at start and then nerfed like the soviet DDs, typical WG will make everything into crap with time.

[ColonelPete]

The "crap" has the best server performance of any non-carrier ship.

[mtm78]

The "crap" has the best server performance of any non-carrier ship.

 

How dare you use facts and logic in this thread 

[Vulgarny]

 

Do the math. I know it might be hard for you, but if you do your best I'm sure you will manage.

 

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