Carriers commanders skill lvl 5 = unfair game for others carriers players

[NimNamhir]

Hello,

Since I started playing this game I really liked it.
I've got a premium account and some doubloons and I also invite some friends to play with me.

Now I've a carrier commander skill lvl 4 on Ryujo carrier, and of course others ships with their commanders..

 

The last 20 games I've played with my carrier I always met an opposing commenders with the skill Air Supremacy (lvl 5 skill). And I've notice that the game for carriers commanders became drastically unfair.

I don't think that play several hundred games vs commanders higher lvl then me, untill I reach the lvl 5 skill, will be fun for me. So I start to think to stop playing my carrier. I don't want to play just to make happy my opposing carrier commanders.

 

The other thing I don't like is the matching of low level ships vs high lvl ships.
Example: in the last 3 games I did with my the lvl III cruiser I had opposing battleship V quite ofen...

Whould be nice to have ships of same lvl. And just few vs high lvl ships.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ilhilh]

The last 20 games I've played with my carrier I always met an opposing commenders with the skill Air Supremacy (lvl 5 skill). And I've notice that the game for carriers commanders became drastically unfair.

 

I don't believe you.  You are not going to find people with level 5 air supremacy on Ryujo in most of your games because the fact is most people will be on a tier 8 CV before they possibly earn enough EXP to get a 5th skill - not tier 6!.  You may come across a very occasional one who has decided to seal club tier 6 (although god knows why you would pick that tier) but it isn't going to be every one of the last 20 games - hell it won't even be 1 in 20!

[B010011A]

Air Supremacy is not a huge deal anyways untill you play against a skilled carrier player. I find that in my lexington 2 in 10 times. Most of the enemy carriers are not even a barrage users with their fighter or IJN carrier setups. But when you find one you know you're def dead.

 

Btw, i still dont find the point of sealclunbbing in a tier 4CV with a 5point capt.

[Tyrendian89]

 

I don't believe you.  You are not going to find people with level 5 air supremacy on Ryujo in most of your games because the fact is most people will be on a tier 8 CV before they possibly earn enough EXP to get a 5th skill - not tier 6!.  You may come across a very occasional one who has decided to seal club tier 6 (although god knows why you would pick that tier) but it isn't going to be every one of the last 20 games - hell it won't even be 1 in 20!

 

that.

 

and as for being bottom tier - stop crying, for each of those games you'll statistically be top tier in one, except the human brain is much better at remembering negative events than positive. Also, I don't even want to imagine how boring matches would be without the tier spread.

[Egoleter]

I had one CV match on tier 4 where the opponent had the air supremecy skill. Since then I haven't seen it again and I am currently on tier 6 (and far away from the skill myself, I only just got ASE).

 

So there is a player out there sealclubbing, but there should be enough other players to not run into him or her constantly.

[Jethro_Grey]

Hm, unfair? Maybe.

But since i don't move my Captains on most of my ships, i tend to have quite a number of decently skilled Captains on a few ships.

Ships i like and play often, and at some point there Captain will get the 18th skill point.

Would it be unfair if my Colorado or Cleveland with almost fully skilled Captains are matched with the same ships but lesser skilled Captains? Maybe.

Should i feel bad about it? Nope.

 

But to stick with the example of CVs, the Captain of my Langley has the same skills as my Independence/ Ranger Captain, and it does not give always an advantage.

[Crusherheads]

Play with ur best weapons and Alt on a well used Fighter squadron the skill 5 commander aint goin help on that either.

[Dar_Raksada]

 

I don't believe you.  You are not going to find people with level 5 air supremacy on Ryujo in most of your games because the fact is most people will be on a tier 8 CV before they possibly earn enough EXP to get a 5th skill - not tier 6!.  You may come across a very occasional one who has decided to seal club tier 6 (although god knows why you would pick that tier) but it isn't going to be every one of the last 20 games - hell it won't even be 1 in 20!

 

Until the premium cv releases, in the U.S. anyway, not sure if it will also release here.

[jellopie]

I only came across players with the T5 AS when i started to play my Hiryu, if you think you can take them in a straight fight you are wrong, you need to play defensively and lure their planes over friendly AA cover from cruisers for help in getting the fighters down ( as you said you are playing with friends so there should be no trouble in you getting them to group up for more effective AA ). Never engage in open air fights just never!

 

Use this link and this link to search for tips on dealing with T5 AS.

 

At first i thought like you until i realized the amount of blood, sweat and tears the players have had to go through to grind to the T5 AS, then i set myself the challenge of that grind! It took roughly 246  matches in my Hiryu with premium to obtain it, i soon used some doubloons and put him on my Shokaku which now can take down stock Lexington fighters in 1v1 open air combat now

All in all, if you are willing to stick to the game through the early tiers once you get to T8's you should start to be getting your T5 captain skill on a few ships if you have kept transferring your captains - Pie

 

[NimNamhir]

 

I don't believe you.  You are not going to find people with level 5 air supremacy on Ryujo in most of your games because the fact is most people will be on a tier 8 CV before they possibly earn enough EXP to get a 5th skill - not tier 6!.  You may come across a very occasional one who has decided to seal club tier 6 (although god knows why you would pick that tier) but it isn't going to be every one of the last 20 games - hell it won't even be 1 in 20!

 

You know that you can move your commanders? Don't you?

You can find lvl 5 skill also on langley that is lvl IV ship.

It's easy to see, just look how many planes have in one group of fighters.

 

Anyway, to me is simply unfair. The lvl 5 skill for carrier commanders is a huge advantage. And to pass from 4 to 5 it takes tons of (unfair) games...

[robihr]

idk who will spend 500 doubloons for retraining the cv captain just so he can seal club... also lvl 5 skill isnt huge advantage, it is small advantage that you can easily nullify with smart play.

 

btw i dont believe you have tons of unfair games with players with 5th level skill on bottom tier cv.. you may have found one player, but no more than that...

[MrWastee]

if you run into such players on and on i'm sure u'll post some screenshots which give proove on the issue soon. until then:

 

[Tyrendian89]

idk who will spend 500 doubloons for retraining the cv captain just so he can seal club... also lvl 5 skill isnt huge advantage, it is small advantage that you can easily nullify with smart play.

 

btw i dont believe you have tons of unfair games with players with 5th level skill on bottom tier cv.. you may have found one player, but no more than that...

 

if you face a CV that uses that skill on a T5 or T6, you will most likely get roflstomped badly. But that has little to do with the skill itself - anyone who has that much experience on one of his captains is a very seasoned player (since there is no way to accelerate captain training, whereas one can buy high tier ships with real money), almost certainly much better at his job than newer players who have just gotten to those ships regularly. Which is pretty much the definition of sealclubbing innit...

[Spellfire40]

 

You know that you can move your commanders? Don't you?

You can find lvl 5 skill also on langley that is lvl IV ship.

It's easy to see, just look how many planes have in one group of fighters.

 

Anyway, to me is simply unfair. The lvl 5 skill for carrier commanders is a huge advantage. And to pass from 4 to 5 it takes tons of (unfair) games...

And you know you have to retrain a skilled comander before you can make use of its skills?  Unless there is a good reason people wont invest the time or dublones.

[NimNamhir]

[edited]

 

About the "smart playing", it is all obvious...

[von_chom]

life is unfair, so why should the game be fair ?

thx for reply in advance

[NimNamhir]

life is unfair, so why should the game be fair ?

thx for reply in advance

 

I would say, at least a game should be.

You are welcome.

[von_chom]

 

I would say, at least a game should be.

You are welcome.

 

but then there will be no challenge at all

[N00b32]

The [edited]? Now people do not only complain about unfairness in other classes, now it is unfair if the same ship has a captain skill advantage you only get after playing hundreds of carrier games ?

[NimNamhir]

 

but then there will be no challenge at all

 

You are right. Infact in the chess, Company of Heroes, Through the Ages, StarCraft... there is no challenge at all.

[NimNamhir]

The [edited]? Now people do not only complain about unfairness in other classes, now it is unfair if the same ship has a captain skill advantage you only get after playing hundreds of carrier games ?

 

C'mon. In most online games a fair matching try to put you vs opponents of the same level...

I'm sure it works also here. Or not? ^^'

[ilhilh]

 

You know that you can move your commanders? Don't you?

You can find lvl 5 skill also on langley that is lvl IV ship.

It's easy to see, just look how many planes have in one group of fighters.

 

Anyway, to me is simply unfair. The lvl 5 skill for carrier commanders is a huge advantage. And to pass from 4 to 5 it takes tons of (unfair) games...

 

Thanks for the patronising reply - my turn.

 

Let's go back to the beginning and quote your OP:

 

 The last 20 games I've played with my carrier I always met an opposing commenders with the skill Air Supremacy (lvl 5 skill).

 

So, your claim is essentially that everyone at tier 6 has a level 5 skilled captain.  Because having that happen 20 games in a row suggests you think it is everyone with that skill except poor little you.

 

I finished grinding the Independence about 1 week ago and I saw precisely zero players with the level 5 skill.  18 games and 0 had it (only took 18 games to elite it so I have no bigger sample size).  Are you seriously trying to tell me you see it all of the time?  

 

In fact I have played over 150 games at tier 7 and I have seen at most 5 games (and that is being generous) where the enemy had the level 5 skill and that is a tier higher.  It just isn't a problem like you claim it is.

 

Now let's look at your options for moving your captain around:

1. You pay 500 dubloons - not many people going to spend real money retraining their CV captain to a lower level - particularly as the tier 6 CVs are not exactly renowned for being OP.
2. You retrain your captain for 200k silver and then have to grind something in the region of 60k experience to get your skills back working - at your rate of experience gain that is about 60+ games without your skills working properly.  No point bothering with a free retraining as that just doubles the grind with a non-functioning captain.
3. Perhaps they all just went to tier 6 and then played something like 500+ games in your CV to unlock the 5th skill.

 

So I don't understand exactly what you think is going on here - but do any of those scenarios seem likely?  So likely that every opponent you meet is running it?  And as I said above I didn't see a single one so how come you see it in most of your games?

 

Since you seemed to argue with my first post I have explained myself even further and now I would like to call bulls***.  Again.

[Trigger_Happy_Dad]

 

C'mon. In most online games a fair matching try to put you vs opponents of the same level...

I'm sure it works also here. Or not? ^^'

 

Doesn't work here because there are not enough CV players. ;)

 

And yes, Air Superiority skill on a CV, especially on low / mid tiers - is a HUGE advantage + Torpedo Acceleration skill (40 knot torps instead of 35 knot torps)...

 

Camo Expert skill is also a Huge advantage on a DDs....especially on low / mid tiers....extra smoke is also very nice + other DD skills...

 

BBs are pretty strong anayway, and with all the repair skills they get a lot better...

 

And cruisers?

 

They had BFT, EM & AFT to make them strong, what do they have now? 

 

 http://bringbackaft.tk/

 

Btw, I put my old 14 kills pt Omaha captain on a langley - awesome sealclubbing, too boring though, he's moved on to a Ranger, will have the AS skill soon. ;)

(and that's without AS skill...)

 

 

I'm busy with the "Captain Extraction" mission though...so I'm only playing only tier VII+ ships atm.

 

 

[MrWastee]

20 games ... still waiting for screenshots

 

[N00b32]

 

C'mon. In most online games a fair matching try to put you vs opponents of the same level...

I'm sure it works also here. Or not? ^^'

 

I don't want to answer because it really hurts. It is just ... you play a carrier ... all you do all day is picking victims and torp them from the sky and if something does that with you it is unfair ? And no, I'm not some Bb mafia. In fact BBs are my least played class. 

 

 http://bringbackaft.tk/

 

Really ? Because some T VI ships and one T VIII ship are not as competetive as before ? On a range where you rarely hit anything anyway ? With a skill a captain should get at T VI and not at T V ? Or is it a Murmansk thing ?

 

Trigger_Happy_Dad, on 09 March 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

I'm busy with the "Captain Extraction" mission though...so I'm only playing only tier VII+ ships atm.

 

 

 Yupp, that is a thing now. I have actually started playing carriers again lately, because the torp acc skill brought back some fun. Yet, I have no problems at T VII without 5th captain skill.