Iwaki Alpha .... is now useless

[LittleNipper]

i've had a few games after the last nerf update.... what can i do with a tier 4 that can be spotted with camo before i can even get in range as it is just over 10km firing range? what have you done wargaming... you have ruined a fine ship.... i have started to play other games..... i'll wait for a buff release , so bad, untill now i've always had joy in updates... now you have really nerfed too much.

[Devantejah]

Iwaki Alpha always had about the same detection range as it had firing range.

[Hanszeehock]

So basically, an Alpha tester cannot seal club so easily at tier 4 anymore? I wonder how many of your 272 victims with that ship were using AFT ? 

 

[Celandri]

not many of my victims was using aft at all. as i dint have aft mostly on my iwaki mostly fishes killed people for me.

[Hanszeehock]

not many of my victims was using aft at all. as i dint have aft mostly on my iwaki mostly fishes killed people for me.

 

Agree, it's a good ship, especially with 10km torp range at T4. 

[gr0pah]

i've had a few games after the last nerf update.... what can i do with a tier 4 that can be spotted with camo before i can even get in range as it is just over 10km firing range? what have you done wargaming... you have ruined a fine ship.... i have started to play other games..... i'll wait for a buff release , so bad, untill now i've always had joy in updates... now you have really nerfed too much.

So you've given up on the game because you don't find IA OP/great/good any more? Ok then.

 

PS. "I've started to play other games" is not such a huge OMG!!!-reveal as many posters think it is. You are allowed to play other games concurrently without being branded a heretic (or WG going into panic mode to change the game to your whims).

[LittleNipper]

The point is that the firing range is less even from a st.luis... kuma, pheonx... if you are a littel further out you can moove evasive, in 10km the time to react is too little.... and yes i had AFT, 16 skill on iwaki, since the last nerf update i just cannot figure out anymore how to use correctly the ship. This is my opinion and i would like to put in my feedback.

[gr0pah]

Well I don't know how to use it either, but post-patch most people agree that taking away the super strong sealclub that was a 10-point (not to mention +15-point) captain was a good thing. With AFT you could, just as you say, stay out of firing range and pew pew pew noobs to death. I suppose you have to play strategically and brawl wisely, and expect incoming fire. Maybe some other AT can help more in detail.

[LittleNipper]

well i have turned back to my omaha.... with 14.8km range i have more fun..... iwaki has just not sufficient range.... at least bring it to range of a st.luis.. well tks for your commens and happy playing

[Benden]

So basically, an Alpha tester cannot seal club so easily at tier 4 anymore? I wonder how many of your 272 victims with that ship were using AFT ? 

 

Iwaki is not a seal clubbing machine, by far... It takes skill to have success with her (few guns, low hp, only strenghts are maneuvrability and those torps with extra 3 km range). 

 

To seal club, even now postpatch ? I would take my St Louis : even if I'm thrown into tiers 4/5 games I still can surprise the unaware, as top tiers, oh my it's a slaughter. 

This ship is available to anyone...

If St Louis gets nerfed I may take the new tiers 3 soviet cruiser, knowing WG and by its look, seems a nice OP candidate like St louis.

Otherwise : i would take a Phoenix,  not OP but with skill, you own the game.

Premium : Murmansk, nice OP wallet ship.

 

Iwaki Alpha is one of the least played ship, and least tiers IV ship (even more now )  http://warships.today/vehicles/eu

Why good stats : played only by veteran players... If Murmansk for instance had been given instead... OMG, it would have blown up the stats

 

Myself I was enjoying the Iwaki for its escort role and skirmisher (inferior to other CL at artillery duels but best AA pre nerf). I was not raking kills.

 

Well I don't know how to use it either, but post-patch most people agree that taking away the super strong sealclub that was a 10-point (not to mention +15-point) captain was a good thing. With AFT you could, just as you say, stay out of firing range and pew pew pew noobs to death. I suppose you have to play strategically and brawl wisely, and expect incoming fire. Maybe some other AT can help more in detail.

 

Surrrrrrre. So Iwaki would pew pew beyond the range of others ships.. Oh my, i've some basic data I've gathered in a hurry : 

 

Just a reminder about other tier IV CL : Phoenix guns have 13.7 km range, Kuma's guns 12.7 km, Yubari's 12.8 km, Karlsruhe 11.7 km. Iwaki's guns range is 10.2 km

 

Iwaki Alpha is  literally  a Tenryu  (tiers III CL) with better AA, more range for it's torpedoes and smoke with less duration and width compared to DDs.

 

Iwaki compared to its tiers IV counterpart the Kuma,  has less HP (18 600 vs 24200 !), armor, range, guns (5 for Iwaki, 7 for kuma), torpedo tubes (2x3 vs 4x2).

 

After this patch, Iwaki can potentialy be OUTRANGED by same tiers DDs ! 

Iwaki : 10.2 km base range guns, 4x140mm per side 
Isokaze : 9.1 + 1.8 : 10.9 km range with 4x 120mm guns , Outranged 
Clemson : 8.6 + 1.6 = 10.2, same range with 6x 102 mm guns per side
Derzki : 10.2 + 2 = 12.2 km range, with 5x 102mm guns, Outranged

 

Peace

[gr0pah]

Surrrrrrre. So Iwaki would pew pew beyond the range of others ships.. Oh my, i've some basic data I've gathered in a hurry : 

If you don't approve of the AFT change,[edited] to WG, not me.

[StringWitch]

It is weird that her gun range isn't 11km like Tenryu, but I think all Iwaki strictly needs is shorter detection than firing range; that helps you stay out of a lot of trouble in a cruiser. With a Concealment Expert captain you shouldn't have any problems, and if you have an Iwaki it's likely enough that you'd have such a captain. So if you can, try out CE on her. I didn't know until reading this thread that she had 10km torps... coupled with the smoke that's certainly enough compensation for short gun range.

[Benden]

If you don't approve of the AFT change,[edited] to WG, not me.

 

Be sure I did ;-)

(I've mostly copy pasted 2 of my previous posts ! )

Just dont take position about things your don't have a clue about mate ;-)

 

It is weird that her gun range isn't 11km like Tenryu, but I think all Iwaki strictly needs is shorter detection than firing range; that helps you stay out of a lot of trouble in a cruiser. With a Concealment Expert captain you shouldn't have any problems, and if you have an Iwaki it's likely enough that you'd have such a captain. So if you can, try out CE on her. I didn't know until reading this thread that she had 10km torps... coupled with the smoke that's certainly enough compensation for short gun range.

 

Nay, Iwaki can't be really played like a DD. Torp reload is far too long. Also detection range is 10.5 km : ship can be seen before it can fire torps and almost its guns (more annoying). Smoke ? 2 charges is good but very long recharge and very short duration, much more like an last chance emergency (saved my butt couples time). Not enough for tactical invisifire (unlike the premium soviet tiers VIII CA's smoke).

Dont be stuck in awe with those 10 km torps, iwaki is seen way before it can fire them sneakily. Tenryu gets 7 km torpedoes at tiers III and Umikaze at tiers II gets 8 km torps with 5.6 km detection range).

Imo, I would love to see its AA boosted to become a specialised AA escort ship (mostly how I was playing her before).

Right now with those skill changes and its stats Iwaki is doomed to rust in port slot.

[gr0pah]

 

Be sure I did ;-)

(I've mostly copy pasted 2 of my previous posts ! )

Just dont take position about things your don't have a clue about mate ;-)

[edited]

 

[edited], allow me to link you a discussion that took place around the AFT change (0.5.3.0): 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/44552-guys-help-kuma-issues/page__pid__860918#entry860918

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/44552-guys-help-kuma-issues/page__pid__861252#entry861252

[Benden]

It is weird that her gun range isn't 11km like Tenryu, but I think all Iwaki strictly needs is shorter detection than firing range; that helps you stay out of a lot of trouble in a cruiser. With a Concealment Expert captain you shouldn't have any problems, and if you have an Iwaki it's likely enough that you'd have such a captain. So if you can, try out CE on her. I didn't know until reading this thread that she had 10km torps... coupled with the smoke that's certainly enough compensation for short gun range.

 

Just re bought a Kuma (did not play the ship since CBT). I was nicely surprised that the ship now comes with Hydro acoustics + fighter plane with 2nd Hull : not bad for tiers IV :-) 

Certainly a trade for Phoenix who has superior range and artillery power. 

Although, it makes the Iwaki even weaker vs her tiers IV CL counterparts...

[Benden]

Well I don't know how to use it either, but post-patch most people agree that taking away the super strong sealclub that was a 10-point (not to mention +15-point) captain was a good thing. With AFT you could, just as you say, stay out of firing range and pew pew pew noobs to death. I suppose you have to play strategically and brawl wisely, and expect incoming fire. Maybe some other AT can help more in detail.

 

Update !

Check the new soviet cruisers : up to tiers IV, they mostly use..... 130mm guns ! so they can all use AFT etc. 

I knew those skill nerfs were not about global game balance

Iwaki gets more screwed than ever if you compare to Svetlana for instance (up to 9 guns broadside with 11km gun range up to 13km range with AFT and at least twice the fire power with 9km spoting range...).

[Vanhal]

"Now" useless?

[TheodorosK]

I believe the Iwaki has the same destiny as the Yubari in the WG books.

Unplayable ships be kept as memorabilia.

 

[von_chom]

Iwaki still rocks !

after patch, since pewpew is not an option, i go hunt enemy DDs or pretend that I am IJN ninja DD

(16 point cap, full concealment)

[SmartassNoob]

I saw this in a battle today.

 

We lost because the team refused to focus fire on their destroyers, but that's another story.

 

 

When will this ship become available to the general public?

[zFireWyvern]

When will this ship become available to the general public?

Never hopefully.

[SmartassNoob]

C'mon! One time I killed 7 ships in my Tenryu. Having this in tier 4 is pretty bad, because there's few to do with it in a tier 5 battle, but other than that this thing would probably be pretty epic. The ability to launch torpedoes that far is not an insignificant change. The Tenryu can already out-shoot DDs and sink BBs with torpedoes. A Tenryu should to rely on islands to cover while approaching BBs, or hope they're dumb enough to underestimate a Tenryu until it's too late. And it has smoke now? The Iwaki would be some kind of a heavy destroyer if used correctly.

 

As you pointed out before, some destroyers can shoot further, but so what? Have you ever sunk a ship using gunfire from the Derzki? That's because destroyer guns are only good for getting the little target to go on the next ship to aim your torpedoes. If you have to use them for actually shooting, you've already failed somehow. The Tenryu CAN actually sink ships using gunfire if needed. The Iwaki has 1 more gun turret to eliminate the poor angle of the number 2 turret. This increases its firepower by 25% over the Tenryu in most situations and the box that rarely blocks turret number 3 has also been moved.

 

Why can't they release it already?

 

[basharran]

C'mon! One time I killed 7 ships in my Tenryu. Having this in tier 4 is pretty bad, because there's few to do with it in a tier 5 battle, but other than that this thing would probably be pretty epic. The ability to launch torpedoes that far is not an insignificant change. The Tenryu can already out-shoot DDs and sink BBs with torpedoes. A Tenryu should to rely on islands to cover while approaching BBs, or hope they're dumb enough to underestimate a Tenryu until it's too late. And it has smoke now? The Iwaki would be some kind of a heavy destroyer if used correctly.

 

As you pointed out before, some destroyers can shoot further, but so what? Have you ever sunk a ship using gunfire from the Derzki? That's because destroyer guns are only good for getting the little target to go on the next ship to aim your torpedoes. If you have to use them for actually shooting, you've already failed somehow. The Tenryu CAN actually sink ships using gunfire if needed. The Iwaki has 1 more gun turret to eliminate the poor angle of the number 2 turret. This increases its firepower by 25% over the Tenryu in most situations and the box that rarely blocks turret number 3 has also been moved.

 

Why can't they release it already?

 

Because it's the reward for people who participated in the alpha testing?

[SmartassNoob]

 

But they've already sold the 2 other ships like Sims and what the other was.

[NyronGT]

But they've already sold the 2 other ships like Sims and what the other was.

 

Those were pre-order ships, not for testing. Besides, neither tankers nor WoWp players have got the opportunity to acquire AT and CBT reward vehicles. Why should WoWs be different?

 

And don't say: 'Cause of moneyz'