If you have Atago, do you still recommend Mikhail Kutuzov ?

[JubaM24]

I have Atago and i love it but all the good things i hear about MK make my hands itchy.

 

Should i buy it considering i already got Atago ?

[Adrian1914]

  Well the Atago is still a beast ship. If you don't care that much about your money and got some free cash to spare you could buy yourself another T8 premium, but if you are only looking for a tier 8 moneymaker, I'd just stick with the Atago. 

 

[66Schwifty]

MK is better than Atago. it pains me to say this, but it's true..

[OopsIPennedYouAgain]

MK is better than Atago. it pains me to say this, but it's true..

 

Nah not true. Atago is still the better ship all around due to concealment and heal

[Ictogan]

MK is better than Atago. it pains me to say this, but it's true..

Never played the MK, but I'm just wrecking any MKs that I meet in my Atago.

[ShockPirat]

They have completely different roles. Atago is more of an all-around cruiser and can work on its own, while MK is a support cruiser. Atago is capable of very high burst damage in most cases, and MK isn't unless in special circumstances. MK relies on fires to do damage. Atago is a stealthy opportunist which can pick his battles, MK is a long range threat you want to deal with before you burn. Atago's AA is meh, MKs AA makes carriers cry tears of blood.

 

They are very different ships and require different playstyles, but both are equally good. Atago will probably win in 1v1 against a MK, but Atago + BB vs MK + BB could easily go the other way around.

 

MK won't work as well as Atago on its own. If you regularly play in divisions, it is worth getting it.

[Marauder9]

i have both and the mk is my go to ship after the nerf to the mogami. as have been said two different roles but i prefer the mk my personal choice.

and i'm not the best player out there but still have a 58% win rate in her over 78 games... rng and mm loves me in this boat at the moment no doubt will change soon lol

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Mk + demo exp = fire all , special long range its ftw , in terms of tank atago win due hp skill , but 1 vs 1 from close i dont have problem kill atago with mk

[Nechrom]

Both ships are good but they play as different as two tier VIII cruisers can.

• The Atago is very stealthy and has great HE shells, so she's best versus BBs and DDs. She has basically no AA but sports the repair ability.
• The MK has amazing range, great AP shells and great AA, so she's great support for friendly ships and deadly versus other cruisers. She has no fighter plane but instead a very limited smoke generator.

[kfa]

The better IJN concealment means a lot. Atago has 9.4km, this, and the fantastic arcs of the 10km torpedoes are the selling points for me.

 

Also, with the 4 heals it has like 60.000 effective HP.

[D7v]

I wish I hadnt bought Atago and instead MK. MK is more capable and enjoyable. Has more options. Better AA and Range. Atago only has more stealth and heal.

[D7v]

Both ships are good but they play as different as two tier VIII cruisers can.

• The Atago is very stealthy and has great HE shells, so she's best versus BBs and DDs. She has basically no AA but sports the repair ability.
• The MK has amazing range, great AP shells and great AA, so she's great support for friendly ships and deadly versus other cruisers. She has no fighter plane but instead a very limited smoke generator.

 

MK is better vs ALL because most of the damage BB s will receive from HE will be burn damage rather than direct damage. MK can burn a BB from 19 km distance and kite better.

[Ictogan]

 

MK is better vs ALL because most of the damage BB s will receive from HE will be burn damage rather than direct damage. MK can burn a BB from 19 km distance and kite better.

The Atago is also very good at spamming HE. Quite frankly the only big advantage that the Kutuzov has is it's range.

[Nechrom]

 

MK is better vs ALL because most of the damage BB s will receive from HE will be burn damage rather than direct damage. MK can burn a BB from 19 km distance and kite better.

 

MK doesn't hit well enough at that range for 15% burn chance to work. Atago has better accuracy and 20% burn chance, plus much better actual direct damage. I would probably recommend using AP against BBs with the MK due to the reliable damage when hitting the superstructure, at least at long range. At closer ranges the HE does well because you can get a decent hit rate.

[Sonic_157]

 Atago has better accuracy and 20% burn chance, plus much better actual direct damage.

 

 

Actually, the fire chance on the Atago is 17% but goes up to 20% if you choose Demolition Expert as the 4th level skill.

I guess this is the standard build for IJN cruisers though.

 

 

[Nechrom]

Actually, the fire chance on the Atago is 17% but goes up to 20% if you choose Demolition Expert as the 4th level skill.

I guess this is the standard build for IJN cruisers though.

 

Yes, I was including the +3% in both numbers.

At least with the Atago you don't have much else useful to pick as the 4th skill. Strengthening DD-level AA is just a waste.

[Sonic_157]

 

Yes, I was including the +3% in both numbers.

At least with the Atago you don't have much else useful to pick as the 4th skill. Strengthening DD-level AA is just a waste.

 

 

That is true, for the MK however i believe most players would go for AFT, thus keeping the firing chance at 12%.

So, realistically, the difference between them would usually be a vast 8%.

Of course, you also have to factor in the different RoF for each gun but still.

 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

 

MK is better vs ALL because most of the damage BB s will receive from HE will be burn damage rather than direct damage. MK can burn a BB from 19 km distance and kite better.

 

Not quite actually.

The effective range for the MK is way below 19km as maneuverable ships like the Colorado, NoCar can dodge your shells at that range.

You are right however with the HE damage part - MK deals mostly fire damage, but to really shine the MK needs to shell that BB with sustained fire. 

 

 

[D7v]

MK is a support ship to be played close to BB s I think as a tier 8 cruiser gameplay it is more enyoyable you cant risk much. Atago is if you want to take risks...

[Z_OnkelE]

Atago is if you want to take risks...

 

The Atago can very well avoid any risk because of her stealthiness. On many occasions she made many DDs p*** their pants!

 

All in all I don't think Atago and MK should ever be compared because of their different playstyles. They are best if a team combines them, they provide an outstanding synergy.

[Shaka_D]

In a DD I am more afraid of an Atago than an MK, just personal experience. I don't have an MK, but I use my Atago as a brawler and the torps are pretty damned good, with a good launching arc front and rear and the hp repair goes a long way to help. Not sure why but in my atago versus an MK I've never been afraid of taking the MK on. Maybe it's because most MK's I've come across always fire at maximum range allowing me to dodge their volleys more easily, so yes, they can fire from a very safe distance but it comes at a cost.

[Hexazar]

I feel that the MK is more beginner friendly than Atago.

[VC381]

I nearly made this very thread yesterday then I decided I didn't need a rational reason to buy it. I just always wanted once since I found out it was in the game, not because it's OP or whatever but because I think the Sverdlov class are beautiful ships and it would be awesome to captain one.

 

I have half a dozen games now and I would disagree it's beginner friendly. It SEEMS beginner friendly (trololo I can shoot from a safe distance) but you will make no damage if that's all you do. The shell travel times and arcs take some getting used to. You need to be getting 200+ hits per battle to really be doing good damage with this ship and consistently getting hits, even with its range and RoF, is not easy. It's not enough to get that one good salvo, you won't be one-shotting anyone, you need to be shooting constantly, hitting constantly, it's actually quite hard work but very fun!

 

It is however very pleasant to sail, very agile, lighting fast turret traverse and great firing arcs. And you can troll people with the smoke. But it's unforgiving without the heal. Atago you can screw up, take a BB salvo to the face and lose half your HP, duck back out of sight range and heal up. MK the damage is always permanent, you can't make mistakes, and you DO need to get moderately close (~16km) to be dealing consistent damage. Also the AP shells on it are awesome, 4k salvos on BBs at most ranges, it all adds up.

[Gojuadorai]

Never played the MK, but I'm just wrecking any MKs that I meet in my Atago.

 

that doesnt make the atago ab beter ship it makes atago just a better cruiser killer which is not excatly the MK's strengh....

 

I feel that the MK is more beginner friendly than Atago.

 

im unsure if any tier 8 ship can be declared as beginner friendly.

while i dont know excatly because i dont own a MK yet (thinking about it) i would say the oposite is true because the MK is VERRY squishy (that i know for sure without owning one) and need verry good positioning ,map awareness and planing besides you have to be able to hit on large distances.

not excactly the things beginners  are great at.

 

[Spellfire40]

Well if the MK has a friendly DD spoting he can engage enemy CAs at their Max range then pull away and can shoot for 3 km without them being able to retrun fire. Thats pretty anoying for Mogami Atago and NO. If they follow they make themself easy kite targets if the disengage you just stop fireing zoom in again go on away course and repeat. I really cant understand why they nerfed mogami so she cant do that anymore ( slow Turet rotation more than the lost range) but then give that playstyle to a Prem ship. Thats exactly what made Mogami stand out and fun in comparison the to other T8 CAs.