Cowardice under fire simulator

[Redneck_Jedi]

First I have to say I tend toward the aggressive in most games. Not stupid, but I carry the battle TO the enemy.

 

I play coop rather than PvP because it halves the number of lowlives involved. A policy I apply to most games.

 

I die early in games, usually having killed 2 or 3 enemy ships.

 

I get to watch others play more than most once I'm dead.

 

Contention:

 

This game is not a WW2 naval sim.

 

It's a cowardice in the face of the enemy simulator.

 

Over and over again I watch the frantic maneuvering  to get to the back of the fleet.

Ships go hide behind islands at the edge of the map.

Battleships turn around and head away from the enemy that isn't even sighted.

 

Solution:

 

Let them play like this by all means.

 

Use some of the many metrics that evaluate activity to flag up the pathetically non-combative.

 

Once they return to port - execute the captain.

Let them assign a new recruit and try again.

 

It's best as a war simulator, not a hide round the corner till it's nearly over then finish off the last few hopefully burning/listing enemy vessels and pretend you fought simulator.

[Slargmann]

Dude.

 

You play PvE.

 

Mini network Solution:

 

1a. Uninstall the game.

1b. Stop posting on this forum

 

2. Never bother other people again.

[Redneck_Jedi]

I play PvE to avoid being alongside you Slargmann

How else could that be managed?

 

[Aotearas]

You're mistaken.

 

It's all about the tears. If it weren't for that deliciously salty fluid, all those ships would be lying on dry ground.

And I thank you for delivering.

[ilhilh]

PvE is designed for people to get used to the game... I am not that surprised that the PvE population is pretty ropey in terms of skill.  People are obviously free to play PvE all they want but generally full of people who haven't even figured out PvP exists or for people who want the easy life - it removes the challenge from the game.  It is predictable, boring and gives a false sense of achievement.

 

p.s. if you get killed early in co-op then your tactics are hopeless.  You should be able to carry pretty much on your own.  At least the people who don't die within 2 minutes can still influence the outcome...

[triumphgt6]

To be fair, when I started, I played like you - real Banzai. However you tend to die quickly and by doing so, you don't really help the team. I do agree that there are some who seem to take pleasure sitting at the back of the map but there is the third way - play as a team with someone, support each other and don't get isolated. You will have more fun and may last till the end of the game and kill even more. PvE is fun but after a while becomes a little samey. Higher tiers are better but nothing like playing against someone thinking (or not!) It also rather depends what you are driving - a Cleveland or a Warspite in my fleet can be more adventurous than an Atlanta.

[LilJumpa]

You have fallen to the Dark Side.

 

From now on you shall be known as Darth_Redneck

[bushwacker001]

First I have to say I tend toward the aggressive in most games. Not stupid, but I carry the battle TO the enemy.

 

I play coop rather than PvP because it halves the number of lowlives involved. A policy I apply to most games.

 

I die early in games, usually having killed 2 or 3 enemy ships.

 

I get to watch others play more than most once I'm dead.

 

Contention:

 

This game is not a WW2 naval sim.

 

It's a cowardice in the face of the enemy simulator.

 

Over and over again I watch the frantic maneuvering  to get to the back of the fleet.

Ships go hide behind islands at the edge of the map.

Battleships turn around and head away from the enemy that isn't even sighted.

 

Solution:

 

Let them play like this by all means.

 

Use some of the many metrics that evaluate activity to flag up the pathetically non-combative.

 

Once they return to port - execute the captain.

Let them assign a new recruit and try again.

 

It's best as a war simulator, not a hide round the corner till it's nearly over then finish off the last few hopefully burning/listing enemy vessels and pretend you fought simulator.

 

You only play PvE so all you will see are players that mostly play PvE because:-

 

 It's easy mode so they don't have to try too hard

They have a fear of playing against human players

They are popping in for the odd battle to try out new ships

They don't realise they are playing bots

They are 7 years old

etc etc etc

 

How can you even judge the player base and comment on the forum based on playing against bots with the above types of players. 

 

[Tubit101]

Wait... How is your teammates being cowards a bad thing in PvE? PvE is all about steaming into the enemy to kill them before someone else does.

[T0byJug]

I play PvE to avoid being alongside you Slargmann

How else could that be managed?

 

 

There you problem!!! Play PVP. Because when both teams of live players Run away you will be left King of the hill!!!

 

Serialsy mate!! Most people only Play PVE when there ship is stock or they struggle with PvP so play PvE because its easer so what do you expect!!

[Redneck_Jedi]

I played PvP a few times and though you're all very impressed with yourselves I found the standard of play much the same as tier 5 or so PvE players.

CV tactics were more flexible and useful but that was pretty much it.

 

Got bored with the game before closed beta finished, played a little off and on for light relief but not rebuilt my ships to anything like what I had.

 

I do understand that you're all thrilled with yourselves and have an unshakable consensus that you're all greatly superior players/captains.

Why are you stooping to scatter your pearls of sarcasm over a thread that you sneer at as relating to (the so inferior to you I should uninstall the game) PvE if you don't go there?

 

Again - been there and didn't see any of it.

 

I use the game for what's available without having to mix with you.   Responses to the thread from the self-vaunted elite reinforce my assurance I'm right to.

 

There are probs in the PvE game too, thread is about one of them.

One prob less is that the worst of you haven't stuck around.

 

"How can you even judge the player base and comment on the forum based on playing against bots with the above types of players."

 

I don't comment on the player base, I commented on the PvE player base.

 

You have so much contempt for it - why do you care?

 

I stay in it to avoid arrogant, self-congratulatory pillocks.

 

PvE has no potential to get better - you're right.   But it does avoid you

[warlock07rox]

Well once I get the ships I want I will be going  back and playing PvE at least then you know your on a level playing field and I wont be needing the xp .

[MrEasyUK]

You only learn by playing against tougher opponents, I am sorry to say this but there is little to be learned from playing Bots other than aiming and moving, but I do agree about the total filth that comes out of some players in chat... it spoils the game.

[Kenjiro_]

Wait... How is your teammates being cowards a bad thing in PvE? PvE is all about steaming into the enemy to kill them before someone else does.

 

This

[Slargmann]

 

I stay in it to avoid other arrogant, self-congratulatory pillocks.

 

 

 

Fixed your post for you. 

 

You're playing with people who lack the ability to compete with human opponents, and you complain that they're lacking in efficacy. Going by your pvp stats so do you.

 

If you enjoy beating up on the computer, what's the problem with having teammates that are "cowards"? More for you.

 

 

 

[zFireWyvern]

I stay in it to avoid arrogant, self-congratulatory pillocks.

[ilhilh]

I played PvP a few times and though you're all very impressed with yourselves I found the standard of play much the same as tier 5 or so PvE players.

CV tactics were more flexible and useful but that was pretty much it.

 

Got bored with the game before closed beta finished, played a little off and on for light relief but not rebuilt my ships to anything like what I had.

 

I do understand that you're all thrilled with yourselves and have an unshakable consensus that you're all greatly superior players/captains.

Why are you stooping to scatter your pearls of sarcasm over a thread that you sneer at as relating to (the so inferior to you I should uninstall the game) PvE if you don't go there?

 

Again - been there and didn't see any of it.

 

I use the game for what's available without having to mix with you.   Responses to the thread from the self-vaunted elite reinforce my assurance I'm right to.

 

There are probs in the PvE game too, thread is about one of them.

One prob less is that the worst of you haven't stuck around.

 

 

 

Awwww bless you.  You complain about the quality of the players in PvE and yet when we point out it is pretty much the domain of the worst players you get all salty and defensive.  The fact remains.

 

You say you have tried PvP but it looks like you tried 4 games and not killed a single ship.  You say the standard of play is the same at tier 5 when the facts don't support that - what they show is that your terrible tactics (charge! ) went from successful to worthless in 4 simple battles and the reason that happened is that the enemy has a brain.  Half of the people in the game might not have much of a brain but they can still deal with the 1 ship charging forwards on its own without paying attention to what is going on around them.

[ollonborre]

1148 PvE games? I have to give it to you for staying in that unchallenging, unrewarding game mode for so long.

[Redneck_Jedi]

You only learn by playing against tougher opponents, I am sorry to say this but there is little to be learned from playing Bots other than aiming and moving, but I do agree about the total filth that comes out of some players in chat... it spoils the game.

 

That's true, entirely true, well and simply put.

My skills don't improve at anything other than bot killing, dodging friendly torpedos and defending against enemy aircraft without friendly CV support.

 

I accept that because the alternative is sharing the game with some (not all) of the folks above. It's a shame not to have the opportunity to develop more skills but the price is too high.

 

Most of them leave PvE for PvP, moving on to self-elevate (in their own minds at least) themselves as the above do. There are a few in PvE but it's not nearly so bad. If I enjoyed the game more it'd be more of a shame to miss out.

 

As it is, I'm not missing much. Look how many posts above you have to wade through to find something more than a sneering prat

 

 

[Slargmann]

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

Happy chance, that.

[Redneck_Jedi]

1148 PvE games? I have to give it to you for staying in that unchallenging, unrewarding game mode for so long.

 

I'm retired and have a good deal of time to play. that's nothing compared to most games I play over a similar period.

 

 

[PedeNuts]

1148 PvE games? I have to give it to you for staying in that unchallenging, unrewarding game mode for so long.

[Redneck_Jedi]

 

Awwww bless you.  You complain about the quality of the players in PvE and yet when we point out it is pretty much the domain of the worst players you get all salty and defensive.

 

 

 

They're not the worst players, the self-congratulatory, sneering pillocks are, the PvE players mostly just lack skills, they're not the worst players to be around at all.

 

The shame of it is that there's probably not more than five or ten of you in a given PvP game, but there's no way to filter you out.

[Tubit101]

Right off the bat you call every other player a "lowlife" and later PvP players in particular "arrogant, self-congratulatory pillocks". Do you see the problem here? It's not us, it's you. You're revealing yourself to be exactly what you blame everyone else to be.

 

In before you realize this and decide to proclaim yourself a "troll".

[ollonborre]

 

That's true, entirely true, well and simply put.

My skills don't improve at anything other than bot killing, dodging friendly torpedos and defending against enemy aircraft without friendly CV support.

 

I accept that because the alternative is sharing the game with some (not all) of the folks above. It's a shame not to have the opportunity to develop more skills but the price is too high.

 

Most of them leave PvE for PvP, moving on to self-elevate (in their own minds at least) themselves as the above do. There are a few in PvE but it's not nearly so bad. If I enjoyed the game more it'd be more of a shame to miss out.

 

As it is, I'm not missing much. Look how many posts above you have to wade through to find something more than a sneering prat

 

 

 

The thing is, most people would not have an issue with the PvE if it was like for example the PvE in Armored Warfare, where the PvE actually has a mission structure and you even earn more XP so grinding is quicker. In WoWs, the PvE is just a bot stomping ground with less players per side, in other words pretty boring. And you also don't earn anything so progression is just tedious.

 

If the PvE was similiar to Armored Warfare with missions and objectives and more rewarding, then yes, PvE would be worth playing. As it is right now, it just is not worth playing in my oppinion. And don't you see the hypocrisy of complaining about new players in an underdeveloped PvE mode? It's like those people in WoT that sealclub in the Leichtraktor and then whine on a player who has been playing for 25 minutes that he suck.