Königsberg Infestation?

[t3h3th32]

Did anyone notice, how servers are mostly flooded with Germans these days? After 0.5.3, many, many USN CAs and IJNs too lost their AFTs (Omahas B and even some nutters, who tried to snipe with Cleveland, or simply using AFT as a scare tactics), so, the only logical step was to grind the German line and get the nice range even without AFT.

 

I'm currently at Karlsruhe and having games with 4 Königsbergs on my team and 3 or 4 on the enemy's team. Is this just me, or did WG broke the low-tier games just as successfully, as they broke the high-tiers before?

 

I mean, their official announcement was pretty much: some ships are too popular and too fun to play, so everyone plays them = this ship floods the servers, I get that, but after we get rid of Omahas, Clevelands and IJNs, which had the hated Furutaka and Aoba nobody wanted to play anyways, we'll get left with Germans and possibly Russians?

 

I'm just laughing my [edited]off, when I posted like a week ago, that the upcoming Russian CA line will be one with fast firing, fast turning and far firing guns and then someone even posted an additional joke in that topic in regards to him betting, those CAs will all have 130 mm guns and today, I read a topic, where someone leaked some datamined stats and apparently, the Russians will have 130 mm up to T5, which yes, can still change and could prove totally wrong, but I'm starting to feel a bit like in some badly written and badly directed reality show.

 

Opinions?

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

[Aotearas]

Königsberge everywhere you say?

 

Neat, good time to grind the New York and finally unlock + grind the Fusou, citadel penetrations everywhere (EVERYWHERE!!!).

[JubaM24]

This Königsberg is an amazing ship and restored my faith in Cruisers.

 

but in the same time, a well placed salvo is all it takes to kill it

[Panocek]

AFAIK rashian kruzers will use 130mm till tier 4, its new tier 5 premium (which is tier 4 ship with upgrades) that can make use AFT AND have hefty range to start with.

[ColonelPete]

The Koenigsberg population did not really change.

Maybe it was used slightly more often for DD hunting.

Did that last week to hunt Kamikaze, but there was much less than expected.

[t3h3th32]

Königsberge everywhere you say?

 

Neat, good time to grind the New York and finally unlock + grind the Fusou, citadel penetrations everywhere (EVERYWHERE!!!).

 

Königsbergs are easy to citadel? I mean, which T5 isn't. Kinda paper ships all the way up, the only ship, which I witnessed literally laughing at top tier BB AP shells was Cleveland and partly New Orleans, because it's so tiny to hit. Baltimore and Des Moines, regardless how good, everytime I angle and withstand a full frontal AP salvo, I'm down to 2 turrets.

 

But we shall see.

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

[ParEx]

Did anyone notice, how servers are mostly flooded with Germans these days? After 0.5.3, many, many USN CAs and IJNs too lost their AFTs (Omahas B and even some nutters, who tried to snipe with Cleveland, or simply using AFT as a scare tactics), so, the only logical step was to grind the German line and get the nice range even without AFT.

 

I'm currently at Karlsruhe and having games with 4 Königsbergs on my team and 3 or 4 on the enemy's team. Is this just me, or did WG broke the low-tier games just as successfully, as they broke the high-tiers before?

 

I mean, their official announcement was pretty much: some ships are too popular and too fun to play, so everyone plays them = this ship floods the servers, I get that, but after we get rid of Omahas, Clevelands and IJNs, which had the hated Furutaka and Aoba nobody wanted to play anyways, we'll get left with Germans and possibly Russians?

 

I'm just laughing my [edited]off, when I posted like a week ago, that the upcoming Russian CA line will be one with fast firing, fast turning and far firing guns and then someone even posted an additional joke in that topic in regards to him betting, those CAs will all have 130 mm guns and today, I read a topic, where someone leaked some datamined stats and apparently, the Russians will have 130 mm up to T5, which yes, can still change and could prove totally wrong, but I'm starting to feel a bit like in some badly written and badly directed reality show.

 

Opinions?

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

 

Maybe. Maybe its just a feeling because some guys stopped playing Clevelands when they cant roflstomb HE Rain anymore. So you see whats left: Königsberg, Aobas and stuff.

It would correlate with my experience last weekend: Lots of DDs around (5...6 per game in midtiers). Just substract the Cleveland Mess from the usual playerbase and you see the current setups.

[Panocek]

 

Königsbergs are easy to citadel? I mean, which T5 isn't. Kinda paper ships all the way up, the only ship, which I witnessed literally laughing at top tier BB AP shells was Cleveland and partly New Orleans, because it's so tiny to hit. Baltimore and Des Moines, regardless how good, everytime I angle and withstand a full frontal AP salvo, I'm down to 2 turrets.

 

But we shall see.

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

 

Nope Orlean have massive citadel, which includes plane hangar. Balti and DM still provides little protection against BB guns (only glancing shots, but any shots through turret nukes turret and citadels)

[Black0rchid]

Konigsberg is a great ship in terms of firepower and range, it is however a floating citadel. When you are dealing with 1 ship attacking you ...you can angle it and make it a tad more difficult for the opponent to citadel you, however if you are trying to avoid 2 or more and if they are any good....you are done for it. 

 

I have had games in the Fuso that the first shot fired sinks the opponents Konigsberg......he doesn t even pull from start line.

[JubaM24]

I just wish for a premium Königsberg 

 

[typhaon]

 

Königsbergs are easy to citadel? I mean, which T5 isn't. Kinda paper ships all the way up, the only ship, which I witnessed literally laughing at top tier BB AP shells was Cleveland and partly New Orleans, because it's so tiny to hit. Baltimore and Des Moines, regardless how good, everytime I angle and withstand a full frontal AP salvo, I'm down to 2 turrets.

 

But we shall see.

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

 

The difference is, that they are even easily hit in the citadel from the front or rear... all you get is a smaller profile, but not advantage to counter damage.

In fact I like Königsbergs best as enemies, you can even switch to AP when driving DDs and just blast them apart.

[B010011A]

Konigs feel so bad in the new patch, im thinking on selling it. The turret traverse time is so low plus the 7'5seconds of reloading time... 

[Seikin]

Konigs feel so bad in the new patch, im thinking on selling it. The turret traverse time is so low plus the 7'5seconds of reloading time... 

 

​Really?? I think its great, and started playing mine again after sitting in the harbour for a while.. No AFT gives it longer range than most (if not all?) cruisers in its tier - and it always was a bit of a beast in terms of citadelling other cruisers if they get close.  Just seems like one of those ships that just got better..  not really because it actually got better, but because the competition just got worse.

[ColonelPete]

The ship is still exellent. Had some nice matches after the patch.

[Mucker]

TBH, Kbergs were very popular even before the patch. No wonder though, they eat Furutakas 4 breakfast. 

[B010011A]

 

​Really?? I think its great, and started playing mine again after sitting in the harbour for a while.. No AFT gives it longer range than most (if not all?) cruisers in its tier - and it always was a bit of a beast in terms of citadelling other cruisers if they get close.  Just seems like one of those ships that just got better..  not really because it actually got better, but because the competition just got worse.

Well, when you get used to a certain gameplay with one of your ships and they change the ship's stats you're prone to not using it. The same thing happened to me with Fuso and its gun placement two or three patches ago. Now you must show all your broadside if you want to shoot all your guns while before you could be shooting them all while angling youe ship.

 

That must be just me, but i still use it sometimes cause its still a fun ship to play but not that moral anymore as it was used to be. (Fuso it is the second ship on terms of maximum number of kills for me, so i got upset cause of the changes and stopped using it as I did before)

[Tirande]

TBH, Kbergs were very popular even before the patch. No wonder though, they eat Furutakas 4 breakfast. 

 

What doesn't eat a Failuretaka for breakfast though? Also I don't see why people hate on the Aoba... it's solid even if it's not as powerful as Koningsberg and Cleveland in terms of raw firepower. It's zippy and its torpedo range is nothing to scoff at in T6; it's no Myoko, Atago or Mogami but it's a fine ship for its tier; I much prefer it over Derpberg since it actually has less of a citadel and can still stay on the second line with the BBs while tossing out a few torps to keep people pushing on their toes... where as Derpberg goes in; gets citadelled to death and then moans about X being OP due to citadel hits. (I've citadelled a Nürnberg to death with my Aoba before, and my T5-7 BBs/CAs in general) 

 

Imho the German line gets better at the Yorck; kinda hoping it'll hold up till the Hindenburg... though I'm hoping Hipper isn't entirely crud like the Nürnberg so I can stick the premium camo on and have both Tirpitz and her escort cruiser with the same camo.

[Tyrendian89]

 

What doesn't eat a Failuretaka for breakfast though? Also I don't see why people hate on the Aoba... it's solid even if it's not as powerful as Koningsberg and Cleveland in terms of raw firepower. It's zippy and its torpedo range is nothing to scoff at in T6; it's no Myoko, Atago or Mogami but it's a fine ship for its tier; I much prefer it over Derpberg since it actually has less of a citadel and can still stay on the second line with the BBs while tossing out a few torps to keep people pushing on their toes... where as Derpberg goes in; gets citadelled to death and then moans about X being OP due to citadel hits. (I've citadelled a Nürnberg to death with my Aoba before, and my T5-7 BBs/CAs in general) 

 

Imho the German line gets better at the Yorck; kinda hoping it'll hold up till the Hindenburg... though I'm hoping Hipper isn't entirely crud like the Nürnberg so I can stick the premium camo on and have both Tirpitz and her escort cruiser with the same camo.

 

wait what? someone who actually likes the Yorck? Boy you're gonna love the Hipper and onwards, who are actually good ships that don't fall over when someone farts in their general direction and have AP that's usable at above point blank ranges...

[triumphgt6]

I like the Konigsburg - especially when in the Warspite! On another related note, do German cruisers always seem to drive straight in front of you when you are in a battleship? I don't seem to have the same problem with IJN or US cruisers butI am always having to either swerve or slam the brakes on. I imagine they think they are quicker than they are or I am slower!

[Meneleus]

Yeah, there seem to be a lot of german cruisers in games lately. The numbers of Omaha and Kuma class cruisers at the other hand seem to have evaporated. Personally I had a B-hull Omaha cruiser with AFT for the occasional fun game or mission since I already have a Murmansk. I sold it as soon 5.3 hit the shelves, I guess I am not the only one.

 

Regarding the Russian cruisers we must bear in mind that everything is as of yet subject to change. If the general gist of the Russian cruisers with regard to their low-tier ships armed with 130mm guns holds true however then the BFT/AFT changes are one big joke and the devs truly have been talking out of their arses in the 5.3 FAQ.

 

I am getting the feeling the "balance" is maintained by a group of people with a very technocratic mindset and an overblown focus on statistics.

 

Cheers, M

[Procrastes]

I always take rumours of upcoming ship stats with a grain of salt. But after the 0.5.3 changes to AFT etc, and when I read about the future Russian cruisers having 130 mm long range guns up to tier V... it was kinda hard keeping a straight face.

[Gatt]

I just wish for a premium Königsberg 

 

Wait for the russian Tier V then

[Panocek]

I am getting the feeling the "balance" is maintained by a group of people with a very technocratic mindset and an overblown focus on statistics.

 

I'd say its sales department who dictates "balance"

[Rogue_6]

I have always enjoyed playing the Konigsberg, even before the patch!

I like how nimble they are and how good the guns are against DD's and CA's!

Yup the armor is weak and they will melt under fire but thats where the maneuverability comes in handy, as long as your not constantly going in a straight line at full speed (like many players seem to do) you will be a very hard target to hit.

I have preffered the gameplay in the tier V to IX German cruisers to any of the USN or IJN cruisers (except maybe Myoko was better than the pre buffed Yorck) so yes maybe some USN IJN 155mm gunned cruiser captains have changed to the German cruisers because they have lost their ATF advantage but remember that some of us have been playing and enjoying the Konigsberg for a long time and will continue to do in the future..

Well that is until the Royal Navy line is released, then I will be flying the white ensign and servinig her majesty in RN ship 

 

[Ebu34]

Another reasons of the rise numbers of KM CAs are

 

1. After buffs of DDs and nerf to BBs, many disappointed BB player started to grind KM CA line. Because with their fast shells, they are closer the play style of BBs then any other line.I am one of the example. I am not even bothered to touch my brand new shiny Yamato after hard grind of weekend. Even for one match.

 

2. I am started to hate so that from DDs and their infestation especially at high tiers, after recent patches, my main goal is became hunting down this pesky DDs. And KM CAs with their best Hydroacoustic and fast shells , they would be the best ships to do this task. I am sick of it this condition. I also enjoy to play DDs but it's become absurd now.