[IRON7] MS_Surface Players 353 posts 14,058 battles Report post #1 Posted February 21, 2016 While i have no problems with range skills as i prefer 203mm guns i find amazing how any ship can citadel me so easy, no matter what angle i am. Almost every battle ends with someone sinking me with one salvo, having 100% HP or 50% doesn't really matter. I also tried German CAs ships and even those, while they get damage fast it happens in a "normal way". I even use Survivability skill but it doesn't make any diference at all... If i was WG i would review the angle calculations for this ship because, in my opinion, something is messed up, and i did saw a few topics about similar stuff as well. I like the ship any way but this is annoying as it puts an early end to a lot of battles. I think it's normal to get hit in the citadel once in a while, but in this case is just ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[D-P-B] Blair79 Beta Tester 27 posts 9,004 battles Report post #2 Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) High tier cruisers have low survivability, angling does nothing against 15/16inch bb shells, it is was it is either deal with it or play another class, those are your options. Edited February 21, 2016 by Blair79 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #3 Posted February 21, 2016 short answer: yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_HUSO] typhaon Beta Tester 447 posts 954 battles Report post #4 Posted February 21, 2016 Don't rely on your armor. Just try to avoid enemy fire, especially from BBs. German and Japanese cruisers are prone to citadel hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParEx Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,449 posts 7,711 battles Report post #5 Posted February 21, 2016 Mogami is a light amored Cruiser, no matter if they call it a heavy cruiser ( its refered as heavy because of 8inch guns). Movement, distraction and speed changes are your friend. You should have learned that at least 3 tiers below. From Furutaka on IJN ships offer no protection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TNT-] mrak1979 Beta Tester 476 posts 9,018 battles Report post #6 Posted February 21, 2016 Mogami is a light amored Cruiser, no matter if they call it a heavy cruiser ( its refered as heavy because of 8inch guns). Movement, distraction and speed changes are your friend. You should have learned that at least 3 tiers below. From Furutaka on IJN ships offer no protection. In that matter all cruisers are lighly armored:-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRON7] MS_Surface Players 353 posts 14,058 battles Report post #7 Posted February 21, 2016 I've played quite a few battles with Myoko and only a few with the Mogami but this was a while ago, now i re-bought the Mogami and it feels like it's more prone to get hit in the citadel than before. The game has changed a lot since then, so maybe i just need to adapt. Even with all this, i am able to earn some credits with this ship, unlike Kagero or even the Fubuki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #8 Posted February 21, 2016 While i have no problems with range skills as i prefer 203mm guns i find amazing how any ship can citadel me so easy, no matter what angle i am. Almost every battle ends with someone sinking me with one salvo, having 100% HP or 50% doesn't really matter. I also tried German CAs ships and even those, while they get damage fast it happens in a "normal way". I even use Survivability skill but it doesn't make any diference at all... If i was WG i would review the angle calculations for this ship because, in my opinion, something is messed up, and i did saw a few topics about similar stuff as well. I like the ship any way but this is annoying as it puts an early end to a lot of battles. I think it's normal to get hit in the citadel once in a while, but in this case is just ridiculous angle calculations? ok I want you to get a piece of paper and find the angle at which a bullet wont go through it ok?....Mogami is not heavily armored get used to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurbain Players 1,976 posts 2,773 battles Report post #9 Posted February 21, 2016 angle calculations? ok I want you to get a piece of paper and find the angle at which a bullet wont go through it ok?....Mogami is not heavily armored get used to it. Well, the belt armor is pretty good for a cruiser. 140 mm belt. Only cruisers that got more are the Baltimore, Des Moines and Zao with 152 mm. Unfortunately the Japanese armor belts are much smaller than the American ones and the rest of the Mogami is indeed pretty badly armored.Besides, in most cases more armor just means a battleship will get more regular penetrations and less overpenetrations unless you get to 200+ mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #10 Posted February 21, 2016 This was the case ever since OBT started, when they buffed AP penetration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
albinbino Players 662 posts 11,080 battles Report post #11 Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) There is a reason why every BB captain likes to shoot Mogami, they know it is possible to kill it with one salvo. I have 120.000 xp on my Mogami, not too much left to research Ibuki, i learned many lessons in hard way when i would usually be first one to die in my team. Most important advice from me is be EXTRA CAREFUL how you open the battle, select moving route for you Mogami where there is some rock or island that will shield you when you make first contact and your detection with the enemy ships. First several minutes of battle are critical for Mogami, my strategy is when game starts i follow DDs, but i follow those DDs that on their route will have some cover for me when shooting starts. Now after the range nerf i had to change my strategy, now I use Mogami to kill enemy destroyers. Edited February 21, 2016 by albinbino 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Kenjiro_ [THESO] Players 991 posts 12,433 battles Report post #12 Posted February 21, 2016 A ship with a bigger citadel than Pensacola?? What sorcery is this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRON7] MS_Surface Players 353 posts 14,058 battles Report post #13 Posted February 22, 2016 There is a reason why every BB captain likes to shoot Mogami, they know it is possible to kill it with one salvo. I have 120.000 xp on my Mogami, not too much left to research Ibuki, i learned many lessons in hard way when i would usually be first one to die in my team. Most important advice from me is be EXTRA CAREFUL how you open the battle, select moving route for you Mogami where there is some rock or island that will shield you when you make first contact and your detection with the enemy ships. First several minutes of battle are critical for Mogami, my strategy is when game starts i follow DDs, but i follow those DDs that on their route will have some cover for me when shooting starts. Now after the range nerf i had to change my strategy, now I use Mogami to kill enemy destroyers. I'm being more careful now but i think i'm re buying the Nurnberg so i can painfully grind to the Hipper. Even with horrible manouverability it seems to be the best Tier VIII CA and plus i also like the guns on German cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venatacia Beta Tester 872 posts 5,885 battles Report post #14 Posted February 22, 2016 This was the case ever since OBT started, when they buffed AP penetration. Was from CBT. The mogami would be taken out in one or two salvoes and that was when it was a tier lower than it is now. I never got past the mogami in CBT because of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TNT-] mrak1979 Beta Tester 476 posts 9,018 battles Report post #15 Posted February 22, 2016 I'm being more careful now but i think i'm re buying the Nurnberg so i can painfully grind to the Hipper. Even with horrible manouverability it seems to be the best Tier VIII CA and plus i also like the guns on German cruisers. Thats true. Im always struglling penetrate German cruisers citadel. Volumes of armor in the port is worth nothing if you dont know the armor model of the ship. Pensacola is easy to penetrate but USN cruisers has very good manueverability and AP penetration. Mogami should be easily penetrated now even if angled and from longer distace because has very weak armored deck. Ibuki, Atago even Myoko feels better but it might be subjective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GNG] V_RASK Players 112 posts 17,328 battles Report post #16 Posted February 22, 2016 I was afraid to buy the Mogami judging from all this talk about nerfed guns and bad performance. Bought it yesterday and it is not that bad, afterall its a cruiser and thus very delicate. Don't get me wrong, it is a hard ship to play but it is not such a dissapointment as one would assume by reading the posts. It has very good speed, can be very manuverable with all the perks and it has 12 Km detectability. My captain is still training to 100% and I am still with the 155 guns so it cant get any worse I hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #17 Posted February 22, 2016 While i have no problems with range skills as i prefer 203mm guns i find amazing how any ship can citadel me so easy, no matter what angle i am. Almost every battle ends with someone sinking me with one salvo, having 100% HP or 50% doesn't really matter. I also tried German CAs ships and even those, while they get damage fast it happens in a "normal way". I even use Survivability skill but it doesn't make any diference at all... If i was WG i would review the angle calculations for this ship because, in my opinion, something is messed up, and i did saw a few topics about similar stuff as well. I like the ship any way but this is annoying as it puts an early end to a lot of battles. I think it's normal to get hit in the citadel once in a while, but in this case is just ridiculous. Ahhhh another 'player' who has spent soooo long camping his Mogami at extreme range and has no idea how to play it now its the same as every other cruiser out there.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #18 Posted February 22, 2016 This is an odd question. Sure, the Mogami might get citadelled easily but name me the cruiser that doesn't... it should be an experience common to anyone who has played cruisers enough... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ambiencee Beta Tester 620 posts 1,540 battles Report post #19 Posted February 22, 2016 Atago. Thats why you use it on team battles, leagues etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #20 Posted February 22, 2016 Atago. Thats why you use it on team battles, leagues etc. Ahahaha! that was a good one. That thing is a walking citadel. What it can do is heal which is useful but I have been citadelled a depressing amount of times in that thing and I have stacked up countless citadels shooting at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,294 battles Report post #21 Posted February 22, 2016 Mogami? Pensacola? Atago? Pfff. Biggest citadel has the Mikhail Kutuzov. Granted the ship is great at almost everything else, but its more fragile than anything else I have played beyond T5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meneleus Players 596 posts 7,522 battles Report post #22 Posted February 22, 2016 Why argue over T8 cruiser citadel sizes? In the end it all amounts to the same. There is a reason why in close matches there generally are no cruisers left in the end. Welcome to explosion city, population you. Cheers, M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] WhiskeyWolf Beta Tester 1,491 posts 11,683 battles Report post #23 Posted February 22, 2016 Mogami is a light amored Cruiser, no matter if they call it a heavy cruiser ( its refered as heavy because of 8inch guns). Dude, heavy cruisers aren't called 'heavy' because of how much armor they have. Was from CBT. The mogami would be taken out in one or two salvoes and that was when it was a tier lower than it is now. I never got past the mogami in CBT because of that. Utter bollocks. The CBT Mogami was a beast in which I could have charged a North Carolina, turn my [edited]to it, then torp it to oblivion and still come out with half my health... and by 'could' I mean 'I have'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venatacia Beta Tester 872 posts 5,885 battles Report post #24 Posted February 22, 2016 Dude, heavy cruisers aren't called 'heavy' because of how much armor they have. Utter bollocks. The CBT Mogami was a beast in which I could have charged a North Carolina, turn my [edited]to it, then torp it to oblivion and still come out with half my health... and by 'could' I mean 'I have'. So you had one or a few good matches in your Mogami which makes my experience in it "utter bollocks". Funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] WhiskeyWolf Beta Tester 1,491 posts 11,683 battles Report post #25 Posted February 22, 2016 So you had one or a few good matches in your Mogami which makes my experience in it "utter bollocks". Funny. So you had one or a few bad matches in your Mogami which makes my experience in it "wrong". Funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
