I'M a bit dissapointed! wows is not ewen near ww2.. :P it shoud be! you told!

[korkk1]

Hi.

I'm dissapointed on wows... still play it (how long??)

i play on battle ship, enemy destroyer is on sight.. it dissapear, EWEN IT SHOOT ME!! constantly.. many times!!

On real life.. dd's stay a way on bs.s but game is game!!

Still.. where my target go, lost it, ewen it shoot me!!! 

You told.. dont shoot, if yu don't want t be found!! 

How come this is not same on dd, like it's on cruisers or battleships?

WG = not so good on history or just not ignore it?

ty & wait yours answer!!

 

[Kartoffelmos]

DD stealthy. Some DDs so stealthy, they fire guns without be seen.

Game is such, history is different. Balance reasons.

No problem!

[T0byJug]

Hi.

I'm dissapointed on wows... still play it (how long??)

i play on battle ship, enemy destroyer is on sight.. it dissapear, EWEN IT SHOOT ME!! constantly.. many times!!

On real life.. dd's stay a way on bs.s but game is game!!

Still.. where my target go, lost it, ewen it shoot me!!! 

You told.. dont shoot, if yu don't want t be found!! 

How come this is not same on dd, like it's on cruisers or battleships?

WG = not so good on history or just not ignore it?

ty & wait yours answer!!

 

its called game balance! If all classes were as you say realistic. This would be a game of battleships and carriers. No one would play any thing else

[delaci76]

its called game balance! If all classes were as you say realistic. This would be a game of battleships and carriers. No one would play any thing else

 

Except battleships played a minor role in WW2. In relative terms to other types...e.g Yamato didnt get to fire a shot in anger I think and Bismarck didnt get up too much..Graf Spee did cause some havoc but her life was pretty quick.

[ScratxNeko]

 

Except battleships played a minor role in WW2. In relative terms to other types...e.g Yamato didnt get to fire a shot in anger I think and Bismarck didnt get up too much..Graf Spee did cause some havoc but her life was pretty quick.

 

Uh.... no.

 

Naval strategy very much took into account the battleships that were around. Yamato actually did get to fire its main weapons at the USN, though admittedly pretty much only in one engagement. Look up the Battle off Samar, one of the engagements of the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

 

As for the Bismarck, I call it idiotic employment of strategic assets that doomed it. Using a battleship as a convoy raider? Um, yeah, genius move there. Couple being alone to then getting hit by a lucky shot in the rudder and it was doomed. As for the Graf Spee, it's not actually a battleship by anybody's definition so it doesn't count. (it's basically a heavy cruiser with bigger guns than usual, a cruiser killer in fact, but it would go down fast if it went to the battleline against british battleships)

 

Look at the effect the Tirpitz had in british naval operations for a good example as to why BBs weren't useless.

 

Now, if you come tell us carriers took the crown from battleships... yeah, they did. Especially in the pacific. But that's partly because carriers had more offensive power than a battleship once one took into account the range they could operate from the target and the fact they could do so without being directly in the line of fire. Battleships were hoarded as strategic assets until and unless there was a critical role/mission for them. There's a reason the two only battleship on battleship engagements in the Pacific were in Guadalcanal and Leyte Gulf... they were both pivotal moments. The former was all about who would have the forward momentum from then on, the latter was the Now Or Never moment for Japan's Decisive Battle doctrine to play out and failure to attempt to stop the US landings in the phillipines would mean they wouldn't have the fuel to run their navy anyway.

[Aotearas]

Shot from within smoke, from behind visual obstruction or accounted for the detection penalty from firing guns if he had sufficient gun range. All of the mentioned can enable DDs (and some cruisers) to fire without getting spotted

 

Secondly, it's a game not an historical account of naval warfare.

 

Thirdly, if you had expected historical accuracy, I'd question your judgement to play battleships considering the emergence of and growing sophistication of strike aircraft, particularily in the naval aviation, singlehandedly ended the reign of battleships and aircraft carriers are obviously in the game. So you were either masochistically looking forward to getting sunk by dive- and torpedo bombers, or your understanding of WW2 history is lacking to a sufficient degree that would invalidate any criticism you might ignorantly leverage against WG regarding this game's authenticity.

And considering the masochistic tendency appears to not be the case as you do complain about not being invulnerable to DDs, I can only assume the latter is the case.

 

Concluding, I'd advise you to read up a bit on the game mechanics (there are some helpful newcomer guides in the identically named forum section, or more specialized ones in the ship discussions) and when you're at it, read up on naval warfare in WW2 aswell.

[T0byJug]

 

Except battleships played a minor role in WW2. In relative terms to other types...e.g Yamato didnt get to fire a shot in anger I think and Bismarck didnt get up too much..Graf Spee did cause some havoc but her life was pretty quick.

 

Irrelevant! Simple fact is when DD went up against BB or CA it did not go well for the DD and when a CA went up against a BB it also was Generally not very good for the Cruiser. 

 

By WW2 Ships went in this order   Carrier\battleship\Cruiser\Destroyer. Ships further down the list played purely Support Roles if the ships higher up were present. Who in a game wants to play a purely support Role?

 

 

And I was being generous By adding Battleships! If game was historical the the game ques would probably be 80% CV

[cherry2blost]

Hi.

I'm dissapointed on wows... still play it (how long??)

i play on battle ship, enemy destroyer is on sight.. it dissapear, EWEN IT SHOOT ME!! constantly.. many times!!

On real life.. dd's stay a way on bs.s but game is game!!

Still.. where my target go, lost it, ewen it shoot me!!! 

You told.. dont shoot, if yu don't want t be found!! 

How come this is not same on dd, like it's on cruisers or battleships?

WG = not so good on history or just not ignore it?

ty & wait yours answer!!

 

 

Well the 'other' option was going to be submarines.... good luck seeing those  !

[MinotaurBlack]

 

Well the 'other' option was going to be submarines.... good luck seeing those  !

 

yeah, in WW2 submarines played a big role as commerce and supply raiders, in the atlantic as well as pacific. and i am a bit sad there was no way for WG to implement the subs into current gameplay. but still, its a free game where i get to play some nice naval action (will try that game out as well one day ) and you dont see many of these game....so i am not complaining about historical inaccuracy

[delaci76]

@toby@neko I suggest you go read some books on WW2 naval history. Battleships were used but as I have stated they werent game changers. So the game as stands is great because it allows us to use BB's as they might have been used in WW2 if they had been given the chance...

 

Yes of course there were incidents but not many full on engagements as we see in-game on a daily basis.

 

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[EsaTuunanen]

enemy destroyer is on sight.. it dissapear, EWEN IT SHOOT ME!! constantly.. many times!!

That's smoke in there.

[warlock07rox]

Was disappointed too when I started playing, but because of lack of ww2 naval games we don't have much choice so even if the game is way outta balance and makes no historic sense a lot of people play it cos there's no other options.

[ilhilh]

@toby@neko I suggest you go read some books on WW2 naval history. Battleships were used but as I have stated they werent game changers. So the game as stands is great because it allows us to use BB's as they might have been used in WW2 if they had been given the chance...

 

Yes of course there were incidents but not many full on engagements as we see in-game on a daily basis.

 

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Toby said that if it was like real life then everyone would play BBs and CVs.  Which they would because they are massively stronger.  That has no bearing on how they were used in history.

 

You don't need to read a book... first start with reading the thread properly, replying properly and then you can progress to books.

[T0byJug]

@toby@neko I suggest you go read some books on WW2 naval history. Battleships were used but as I have stated they werent game changers. So the game as stands is great because it allows us to use BB's as they might have been used in WW2 if they had been given the chance...

 

Yes of course there were incidents but not many full on engagements as we see in-game on a daily basis.

 

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Ok i will go read 1 of the couple of Dozen Naval History Books I have on the shelf! You go read my posts and find one where I said Battleships were not used.

 

What i am saying is if game was historical PLAYERS would only want to Play carriers  and to a lesser degreee Battleships as these ships would be by a long way the most powerful.

 

[warlock07rox]

Ok i will go read 1 of the couple of Dozen Naval History Books I have on the shelf! You go read my posts and find one where I said Battleships were not used.

 

What i am saying is if game was historical PLAYERS would only want to Play carriers as these ships would be by a long way the most powerful.

 

 

That's why I miss fighting steel a good naval game with no op carriers just wish I cud get it working on Win 10

[T0byJug]

 

That's why I miss fighting steel a good naval game with no op carriers just wish I cud get it working on Win 10

 

Owww I think i played that game as well!! or one very similar! the game that gave us our Big ship fix!! the Nostalga... Love it.. will have to  look if i still have the CD

 

If you dont want CV in game have you had a look at NAVAL ACTION! there is no CV's there its all Rope and Tar! with some cannon balls for good measure 

[warlock07rox]

 

Owww I think i played that game as well!! or one very similar! the game that gave us our Big ship fix!! the Nostalga... Love it.. will have to  look if i still have the CD

 

If you dont want CV in game have you had a look at NAVAL ACTION! there is no CV's there its all Rope and Tar! with some cannon balls for good measure

 

No ain't tried it but even the Jutland series didn't do it for me I like my WW2 ships. I grew up watching all ww2 docs so more used to them just a pity couldn't have Fighting Steel type game with wows graphics but guess some games will forever just be dreams

[IamTroublemaker]

This game is not a simulation but arcade.

 

Naval warfare simulation would probably be boring for most people, especially playing with battleships since they couldn't hit crap.

 

[warlock07rox]

This game is not a simulation but arcade.

 

Naval warfare simulation would probably be boring for most people, especially playing with battleships since they couldn't hit crap.

 

 

Yea I knows its arcade with no historic sense but some only play cos there's no other options to play ww2 looking ships if there was i'm sure the numbers playing this would be a lot lower.

[IamTroublemaker]

 

Yea I knows its arcade with no historic sense but some only play cos there's no other options to play ww2 looking ships if there was i'm sure the numbers playing this would be a lot lower.

 

It has a historic sense. The ship models for example, and I do think they look great.

 

There is always that "some" that plays the game only for certain reasons until there is a "better" game with same theme they can play, but I am sure a lot of us play this game simply because we actually like WG games and the idea of progressing through lines and getting better ships

[T0byJug]

 

Yea I knows its arcade with no historic sense but some only play cos there's no other options to play ww2 looking ships if there was i'm sure the numbers playing this would be a lot lower.

 

If it was Simulation i think we would have a lower playerbase. Also if it was historical we would just have carriers and Battleships as no one would want to play the under powered DD/CA the only way WG could make it work would be to have a MM that would put a high % of games with just CA and DD with no carrier or BB to encourage players to play these smaller ships

[Shaka_D]

Hi.

I'm dissapointed on wows... still play it (how long??)

i play on battle ship, enemy destroyer is on sight.. it dissapear, EWEN IT SHOOT ME!! constantly.. many times!!

On real life.. dd's stay a way on bs.s but game is game!!

Still.. where my target go, lost it, ewen it shoot me!!! 

You told.. dont shoot, if yu don't want t be found!! 

How come this is not same on dd, like it's on cruisers or battleships?

WG = not so good on history or just not ignore it?

ty & wait yours answer!!

 

 

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[delaci76]

 

If it was Simulation i think we would have a lower playerbase. Also if it was historical we would just have carriers and Battleships as no one would want to play the under powered DD/CA the only way WG could make it work would be to have a MM that would put a high % of games with just CA and DD with no carrier or BB to encourage players to play these smaller ships

 

You have some kind of comprehension issues? Look I will change your statement for you to make it easier...

 

Also if it was historical we would just have carriers and as no one would want to play the under powered DD/CA the only way WG could make it work would be to have a MM that would put a high % of games with just CA and DD with no carrier or BB to encourage players to play these smaller ships

 

Historically as you put it battleships were not important. Carriers yes. Sorry to persist but if you want to post, get the facts right.

 

And @illih dont start lecturing me when it's clearly obvious what was said and how it's wrong. He made a mistake and is continuing to do so, let's move on shall we? I know it's hard to admit when you are posting drivel but try and be mature about it.

 

 

[warlock07rox]

 

It has a historic sense. The ship models for example, and I do think they look great.

 

There is always that "some" that plays the game only for certain reasons until there is a "better" game with same theme they can play, but I am sure a lot of us play this game simply because we actually like WG games and the idea of progressing through lines and getting better ships

 

Historic sense that must be the DDs cloaking device the not spotting ships but you can see the shells flying towards you the total visible torps but u can' see who fired them .

There is no historic sense in this game as u said earlier its and arcade game with ships that look like ww2 ships and that it there's no real balance and no accuracy whatsoever

[IamTroublemaker]

 

Historic sense that must be the DDs cloaking device the not spotting ships but you can see the shells flying towards you the total visible torps but u can' see who fired them .

There is no historic sense in this game as u said earlier its and arcade game with ships that look like ww2 ships and that it there's no real balance and no accuracy whatsoever

 

There is balance, and it is the reason why the game is the way it is and the battles and each class are the way they are in this game.