Proposal to Wargaming: A premium carrier

[Varian_Dorn]

So I know this isn't highly creative of me but please bear with me and read on.

 

Since we always get cruisers, destroyers and battleships for premium vessels I was wondering why no premium carrier has popped up so far. There ssure are several choices available - and one almost immediately came to my mind: I propose the

 

U.S.S. Enterprise (CV-6)

 

for introduction into World of Warships as a premium carrier. The name alone is iconic and cool, but it's service history and class make it really interesting. Yorktown-class carrier, the only one of three vessels of this type to survive the war, even though she did take considerable damage in battle.

Since, to my knowledge, we don't have Yorktowns in game, the Enterprise would be somewhere near Lexington stats- and tierwise. So on or near tier 8.

 

Some info:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorktown-class_aircraft_carrier

 

As far as balance goes, from what I can tell in here stats Enterprise was relatively fast and had a decent aa defense by the end of the war, but was also big and thus hard to miss. I'd have to leave it to you Devs and some more informed community members to haggle over her exact implementation in the game, or at least how this could be facilitated.

 

I would definitely buy this vessel if it would make it's way into the game, I'm sure others would too, and it's certainly something a bit more creative and iconic than the last two premiums (Anshan and Lo Yang) that we got.

 

Comments, please. And don't be too harsh with me, ok? :-)

[IamTroublemaker]

We already have USS Saipan files in game, but WG has stated a few times they do not want to release a premium CV yet, as there would be too many newbies running around in those. Instead, they plan to give certain missions in order to be able to purchase/play the CV.

[Varian_Dorn]

Saipan.... Looks to me like a mid tier vessel. Plus: since when does WG care about noobs playing high tier premiums? As if that wouldn't apply to the other premiums as well. Also this sounds to me more like a cheap excuse than an actual reason, since we do have People on all tiers and ships that make you wonder how they even manage to get out of bed in the morning without incident.

 

 

 

But if the elitists are so concerned, maybe adding a purchase restriction might help, like "You need to have at least one tier 5 or higher carrier to be able to purchase this premium ship". Of course you can't please everyone... but making us jump through enormous hoops to get some mediocre, mostly unknown carrier as premium seems not all that exciting to me.

 

Enterprise would be awesome, you have to admit at least that.

[Spellfire40]

The impact a T8 CV has if one is played by a player who has 0 expirience and one is a seasoned CV player who might place his Midway Captain in it for aditional edge is just too great. It woult totaly wreck the newbees team and cause him to despite his buy also. WG dosent want to to pisss off paying customers intentional and the risk of a negativ comunity backlash is just too great.

[Kenjiro_]

So I know this isn't highly creative of me but please bear with me and read on.

 

 

Since we always get cruisers, destroyers and battleships for premium vessels I was wondering why no premium carrier has popped up so far. There ssure are several choices available - and one almost immediately came to my mind: I propose the

 

 

U.S.S. Enterprise (CV-6)

 

 

for introduction into World of Warships as a premium carrier. The name alone is iconic and cool, but it's service history and class make it really interesting. Yorktown-class carrier, the only one of three vessels of this type to survive the war, even though she did take considerable damage in battle.

Since, to my knowledge, we don't have Yorktowns in game, the Enterprise would be somewhere near Lexington stats- and tierwise. So on or near tier 8.

 

 

Some info:

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorktown-class_aircraft_carrier

 

 

As far as balance goes, from what I can tell in here stats Enterprise was relatively fast and had a decent aa defense by the end of the war, but was also big and thus hard to miss. I'd have to leave it to you Devs and some more informed community members to haggle over her exact implementation in the game, or at least how this could be facilitated.

 

 

I would definitely buy this vessel if it would make it's way into the game, I'm sure others would too, and it's certainly something a bit more creative and iconic than the last two premiums (Anshan and Lo Yang) that we got.

 

 

Comments, please. And don't be too harsh with me, ok? :-)

Well I hope you always get a premium carrier in your team... It seems only then you will understand why a T8 premium CV will cause his teammates to ragequit

[KaraMon]

Why you need a carier? no one play them anymore and no one will :p only some low level scrubs before they realise there is no point in having one

[Spellfire40]

Well there would be a point when you could sealclub the 0 expirienced player and then play unoposed so you can use your fighter to get rid of CA/BB floatfigher Instead having them keept in reserve to eitler defend yourself or trying to play the RNG fighter vs fighter meta. But that wouldnt be fun  for most of the players.

[Babykim]

We already have USS Saipan files in game, but WG has stated a few times they do not want to release a premium CV yet, as there would be too many newbies running around in those.

 

This will be the case no matter when a premium CV gets released. No plankton can resist such toys.

[Agantas]

Why you need a carier? no one play them anymore and no one will :p only some low level scrubs before they realise there is no point in having one

The point was to get 150 airplane kills for the Kongo challenge. CV is the best ship for getting airplane kills. The task is complete for me, and the Zuiho I have is a relic from that task. Perhaps it is time to sell it and get a Clemson or Omaha to replace it.

[Admiral_noodle]

The money making potential of USS Enterprise would be huge. It's an iconic ship. Now really no one should by a premium T8 unless they actually know how to play it.

Of course it occurs to me WG could do something to appease all sides

Enterprise - £40 in a bundle! But when you unlock a normal tier 8 CV you can get it naked in the tech tree for half that.

 

at least if you saw a proper n00b on your team failing in it you could be satisfied they paid an extortionate price for it. 

[Ictogan]

Would love to see the Graf Zeppelin as a premium ship. Wouldn't get it myself cause I'm not a CV player though.

[RamirezKurita]

Before they worry about adding in the Enterprise as a premium, they might as well implement the Yorktowns as a regular ship first then add in the Enterprise as 95% of the work would have already been done.

[Capra76]

Since WG seems to have a policy of not balancing premium ships after they are released (with a few exceptions) a premium carrier would be a very dangerous thing indeed, CV are the only class that require mirror matchmaking but without post release balancing a premium CV has the potential to become game breaking op/up compared to other T8 CV.

[Egoleter]

Next to the comments made above about the potential problems of a premium carrier I'd like to add another point.

 

Why should it be a carrier for a nation that already a complete line of those? Why not instead one of the Ark Royals (The WWI that later was known as Pegasus or the WWII ship) for the brits, the Graf Zeppelin for the Germans, The Aquila for Italy, or the Béarn for France?

 

Those were unique ships much more fitting for a premium ship. The Enterprise of WWII, while iconic in name, isn't all that special compared to her sister ships.

[Ferry_25]

I don't agree with the replies and IMO it's a terrific idea. I've been asking myself the same question: why not a premium CV?? The problem with unexp (aka noobs) players rushing into too high tier premiums goes for all the ships available. And yes: I've been there too. I bought the Atago too soon when I was playing for about a month. I very quickly figured out that was an entire different gameplay than sailing the St Louis! But as goes for all the tiers/ ships: practise is King. After derping a few battles I returned to the Co-ops in order to figure out this vessel. I won't say I'm an ace in it (which I am in no particular ship for that matter) but I know how to play my part in the team by now. And IMO the role of the CV is highly excaggerated here. Yes, I think we all had at least once a formidable unescapable torpedospread from an ace CV player. You know: those in which you see approaching 20 torps with no way of avoiding them and meeting your unescapable demise... But those occasions are actually quite rare. I know I can't make them playing a CV... I don't see any difference between that and a 1 shot kill by a excellent BB player, a formidable ambush from a DD or a HE BBQ coming from a unhittable cruiser.

So I would say: please bring in a prem CV!! No particular pref for a nation on my part.

[RamirezKurita]

Next to the comments made above about the potential problems of a premium carrier I'd like to add another point.

 

Why should it be a carrier for a nation that already a complete line of those? Why not instead one of the Ark Royals (The WWI that later was known as Pegasus or the WWII ship) for the brits, the Graf Zeppelin for the Germans, The Aquila for Italy, or the Béarn for France?

 

Those were unique ships much more fitting for a premium ship. The Enterprise of WWII, while iconic in name, isn't all that special compared to her sister ships.

 

However, the Enterprise had both an incredibly distinguished career that made her famous as well as she wasn't the nameship so adding her won't interfere with adding the Yorktowns as regular ships later on. The other ships you mentioned are all likely to be cornerstones of their respective carrier lines so making any of them into premiums would make assembling those lines much more difficult.

[Ictogan]

 

However, the Enterprise had both an incredibly distinguished career that made her famous as well as she wasn't the nameship so adding her won't interfere with adding the Yorktowns as regular ships later on. The other ships you mentioned are all likely to be cornerstones of their respective carrier lines so making any of them into premiums would make assembling those lines much more difficult.

I don't think we will get a German carrier line as there were only 4 German carriers which weren't just paper projects, none of which were ever completed. And the only one which ever got close to being finished was the Graf Zeppelin, which is why I'm proposing it as a premium CV.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

I'd rather have the South Dakota class BB as a premium tier VIII as the aircraft carriers needs to be balanced as a class of ships entirely before allowing premium CVs in the game and as up now it is neither balanced properly compared to the other classes and it do not look like Wargamning is entirely sure what they really want carriers to be like in WoWS and untill the developers are sure of what and how they want aircraft carriers to be like and their role and impact in the game it would not be a good idea to implement premium carriers.

 

Having said that the USS Enteprise should be a prermium CV when the game is ready for it.

[it3llig3nc3]

I suggest to study this topic related to carriers. It explains extensively at the beginning the issues with the carrier ship class and makes points why a sudden premium carrier especially at high tier is not a good idea at al.

http://http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/43214-aircraft-carriers-need-an-overhaul/page__fromsearch__1

 

On my side I made a recommendation to implement a fully scaled carrier tech tree (Tier I to Tier X) and MAYBE offer a Tier II simple carrier as premium but even this rather through advertisements and codes than a crapto buy for everyone.

 

[creamgravy]

The impact a T8 CV has if one is played by a player who has 0 expirience and one is a seasoned CV player who might place his Midway Captain in it for aditional edge is just too great. It woult totaly wreck the newbees team and cause him to despite his buy also. WG dosent want to to pisss off paying customers intentional and the risk of a negativ comunity backlash is just too great.

 

I've had a few games where there's been a 80% WR Midway vs a 30% WR Midway.

 

Trying to balance carriers and make them fun for everyone is hard enough.

[Blue_Bug]

I suggest to study this topic related to carriers. It explains extensively at the beginning the issues with the carrier ship class and makes points why a sudden premium carrier especially at high tier is not a good idea at al.

http://http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/43214-aircraft-carriers-need-an-overhaul/page__fromsearch__1

 

On my side I made a recommendation to implement a fully scaled carrier tech tree (Tier I to Tier X) and MAYBE offer a Tier II simple carrier as premium but even this rather through advertisements and codes than a crapto buy for everyone.

 

 

Since WG seems to have a policy of not balancing premium ships after they are released (with a few exceptions) a premium carrier would be a very dangerous thing indeed, CV are the only class that require mirror matchmaking but without post release balancing a premium CV has the potential to become game breaking op/up compared to other T8 CV.

 

This ^^^^^^ 

 

WG already announced that this year changes will come in the gameplay of carriers. It may be clear that at the moment they don't know exactly how to balance CV's and make them fun to play without making them OP. For obvious reasons WG doesn't like to nerf premium vessels directly.  So a premium CV is out of the question as long as they don't have the current gameplay correctly. I think that when they have the gameplay and balance tweaked that premium Cariers will appear (the first one will be probably the Saipan).

 

[Spellfire40]

I don't think we will get a German carrier line as there were only 4 German carriers which weren't just paper projects, none of which were ever completed. And the only one which ever got close to being finished was the Graf Zeppelin, which is why I'm proposing it as a premium CV.This was Discused on by a WG emplye in a RU Blog. Prem CV are a bad idia for them even in their mind as for Techtrees: No German since there were so few activ projects...strange thogh that they dont discont a pure paper RU CV tree.

 

 

I've had a few games where there's been a 80% WR Midway vs a 30% WR Midway.

 

Trying to balance carriers and make them fun for everyone is hard enough Good WR or not someone who has a T8 CV HAS played the CV in 99% of all cases unless he spent Tons of real money on Free EXP. Its certainly 0 Fun to learn manuel Barage/TB Drops/DB Drops in an high AA enviroment.

 

[Kazomir]

We already have USS Saipan files in game, but WG has stated a few times they do not want to release a premium CV yet, as there would be too many newbies running around in those. Instead, they plan to give certain missions in order to be able to purchase/play the CV.

 

Yes, and these missions should be CV oriented, so only people who know how to play CVs get to buy a premium CV.

[Spellfire40]

Real unfun to get out of quote Topics in editmode so some more thoght:

WG Should and perhaps will Give Enterprise/Akagi/Kaga as sideway research of the existing Trees. despitesome unique features (like Akagi/Kaga having 20cm guns) The ship dosnt matter as much as the planes in a CV. its just a name in the end.

 

[Dar_Raksada]

I'd like to see a carrier from another nation as a premium.