mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1001 Posted February 25, 2014 It is one of the late World War One German Battlecruiser projects (GK being GrosseKreuzer) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #1002 Posted February 25, 2014 BC GK 10? A paper project i suppose because i've never heard about it. It's a WWI battlecruiser design. I'm really starting to think that they'll use that Cassone project eventually... EDIT: damn it, mr3awsome awesomely ninja-ed me by one single minute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #1003 Posted February 25, 2014 It's a WWI battlecruiser design. I'm really starting to think that they'll use that Cassone project eventually... EDIT: damn it, mr3awsome awesomely ninja-ed me by one single minute. So how a WWI design is able to be competitive against other tier Xs? Especially against the carriers since their AA armament is non-existent(planes weren't an issue). As the Cassone project well it's seems more a fantasy than real Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #1004 Posted February 25, 2014 So how a WWI design is able to be competitive against other tier Xs? Especially against the carriers since their AA armament is non-existent(planes weren't an issue). As the Cassone project well it's seems more a fantasy than real Well, it's simple and terrible at the same time: turn the paper ships into "plausible unhistorical" ones. As for Cassone, it could get "rebalanced" in terms of speed to make it more realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1005 Posted February 25, 2014 Most GK projects actually have a number of 88mm guns that can be used as AA, so they should be alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #1006 Posted February 25, 2014 Well, it's simple and terrible at the same time: turn the paper ships into "plausible unhistorical" ones. As for Cassone, it could get "rebalanced" in terms of speed to make it more realistic. Well every nation has to use such ships to complete the tech tree. Most GK projects actually have a number of 88mm guns that can be used as AA, so they should be alright. It could be the case but, as i said, without knowing the designs is difficult to judge. Usually the AA armament was poor simply because they had to face recon biplanes which, in some rare cases, were able to go over 200 km/h Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1007 Posted February 25, 2014 Its worth noting that the guns used were still in service in WWII, so they can't have been that poor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #1008 Posted February 25, 2014 Its worth noting that the guns used were still in service in WWII, so they can't have been that poor. Well in WWII there weren't operational navy jets while in this game there will be. I wonder how the AA design to counter WWI biplanes would do against post WWII jets. Probably they would fictionally upgrade it otherwise there's no solution Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1009 Posted February 25, 2014 Well there are going to be a number of ahistorical (yet hopefully plausible) upgrades to retain balance, so it should be fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_Undertaker99 Players 32 posts Report post #1010 Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Why is the WWII Plan Z P-Panzerkreuzer at Tier 5, and a Prem-Battleship. And the O-Battlekreuzer at Tier 7, Tier 9 is better. :angry: The P-Panzerkreuzer is the follower of the Deutschland Panzerkreuzer, and the O-Battlekreuzer has at stock state six 38 cm Guns. And the Nürnberg a Königsberg I-Class Kreuzer of Tier 2 at Tier 6? Not real or? :sceptic: Königsberg-Class T2 -> Dresden-Class T3-> Pillau-Class T4 -> Köln-Class T5 ->Königsberg II-Class T6 -> Emden-Class T7 / /-> Bremen-Class T3 -> Gazelle-Class T4-> Graudenz-Class T5->Wiesbaden-Class T6 ->Leipzig-Class T7 ->Königsberg III-Class T8 -> M-Class T9 (Plan Z) -> ? / /-> Karlsruhe-Class T4 -> Kolberg-Class T5-> Magdeburg-Class T6 Thanks to Wiki. Edited February 28, 2014 by BigBadVuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1011 Posted February 26, 2014 Why is the WWII Plan Z P-Panzerkreuzer at Tier 5, and a Prem-Battleship. And the O-Battlekreuzer at Tier 7, Tier 9 is better. The P-Panzerkreuzer is the follower of the Deutschland Panzerkreuzer, and the O-Battlekreuzer has at stock state six 38 cm Guns. And the Nürnberg a Königsberg I-Class Kreuzer of Tier 2 at Tier 6? Not real or? P class is tier 5 premium because WG have said as much. Tier 9 might be better, but it wouldn't be balanced at that tier. It is a rough match for the Admiral and Lexington class Battlecruisers. And I'm guessing Leipzig class. PS. So change Nurnberg to Leipzig next time please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #1012 Posted February 26, 2014 Its worth noting that the guns used were still in service in WWII, so they can't have been that poor. It's also worth noting that they were manually operated guns combined with primitive fire control systems. Obviously the only solution is the "unhistorical but plausible" route, those guns become a moot point in this case because they could have been hypothetically substituted with modern AA guns, at best they could be retained as stock configuration like IS-4 with the D-25 in WoT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_Undertaker99 Players 32 posts Report post #1013 Posted February 26, 2014 Is the L-28 comparable with the Yamato or Montana Classes? This Ships have dozens to hundreds of AA Guns. Gun inch calibre, AA Guns, Speed and Armour? Is the Deutschland and P-Class Panzerkreuzer at Tier 4 and 5 not a bit OP, Fast: 28 Kn and 33 Kn, Modern 11 inch Guns (Elite P Class have 15 Inch), relative Little and agile. Or give there likewise a Standard P-Class at Tier 8 or 9? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1014 Posted February 26, 2014 The Deutschland and P classes, whilst possessing speed and main gun range, have several weaknesses. Specifically very weak belt armour (When ships do get in range, they will hurt a lot) and few main guns (weak DPM) These ships have a very specific plays style to be used to best effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomasD_CZ Alpha Tester 142 posts Report post #1015 Posted February 27, 2014 Hi guys, could some1 pls pack current tech trees in one file and up it somewhere? I would like to take a look at them. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1016 Posted February 27, 2014 Because looking at the OP is too mainstream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomasD_CZ Alpha Tester 142 posts Report post #1017 Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Because looking at the OP is too mainstream Nope, but I don't have free time to search trough topic and look on every picture link. I am working on a bachelor work (the one for first university title). But you could edit those pictures in the very first post to save search time for others EDIT: Unless you edited it but unchecked Show edit by line. That way I don't know for sure if it is updated or not. For me it looks like more that one year old post Edited February 27, 2014 by TomasD_CZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1018 Posted February 27, 2014 I edit it and unselect the show edited by button. That is why the date at the top changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_Undertaker99 Players 32 posts Report post #1019 Posted February 28, 2014 How the Graf Zeppelin (43 Planes, 262,5 m Long) to the others Carriers balancen, z.B. Yorktown (90 Planes, 247 m Long)? and the Scharnhorst and Bismarck Conversion? Tier 10 Bismarck Conversion (? Planes 250-260? m) to USS Midway (over 100 Planes 295,2 m) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1020 Posted February 28, 2014 Graf Zeppelin had a superior surface armament, its faster I'm sure WG will be able to balance it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_Undertaker99 Players 32 posts Report post #1021 Posted February 28, 2014 Not really, other Tier 8 Carriers have similar armamets (Lexington,Akagi,Kaga 8 Inch Guns other Carriers have 5,5 Inch Guns), and are more or less equal Speed(Yorktown-33Kn, Shokaku-34Kn, Lex.-34 Kn, Akagi-31 Kn, Implacable-32,5 Kn), the only tool to balance of all known German Carrier Designs(De Grasse, Seydlitz, Potsdam, Graf Zeppelin and Europa) are minimum 30% more Planes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoYoDj87 Players 23 posts 15 battles Report post #1022 Posted February 28, 2014 I wonder when will be added Polish ships, thunder and lightning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #1023 Posted February 28, 2014 I wonder when will be added Polish ships, thunder and lightning. Most probably in the EU tech tree since i don't think Poland had enough ships to make a tech tree of its own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #1024 Posted February 28, 2014 Not really, other Tier 8 Carriers have similar armamets (Lexington,Akagi,Kaga 8 Inch Guns other Carriers have 5,5 Inch Guns), and are more or less equal Speed(Yorktown-33Kn, Shokaku-34Kn, Lex.-34 Kn, Akagi-31 Kn, Implacable-32,5 Kn), the only tool to balance of all known German Carrier Designs(De Grasse, Seydlitz, Potsdam, Graf Zeppelin and Europa) are minimum 30% more Planes Whilst Lexington, Akagi and Kaga all have 8" guns, they have around half the number of 6" guns on the Graf Zeppelin, and whilst the other carriers also have 4"/4.5"/5" DP batteries, the Graf Zeppelin also has a large number of 4" guns, which means more defense against surface targets. Au contraire, Graf Zeppelin is the fastest by a reasonable margin (in ship terms, except Shokaku) (Yorktown is 32.5, Lexington is 33.25, Akagi is 31.5, Kaga is 28) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #1025 Posted February 28, 2014 Graf Zeppelin had a superior surface armament, its faster Am I the only one trembling at the idea of carriers being balanced on the basis of their surface armament? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
