Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #901 Posted January 28, 2014 I don't really see how this could make a case for Italian ships, WG has been after the Chinese market since the beginning, the Chinese server was started some months before the EU/US one and the Type 59 was released back in 2011 as a teaser. I know but what i meant is that if WG wants to they can find the place for French and Italian ships. It's a matter of will more than anything else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dinozauriusz Players 11 posts 288 battles Report post #902 Posted January 28, 2014 Honestly - I prefered tech tree construction fron NavyField DD->CL->CA->BB with side branches for CVs and SSs in some places. No problem with matchmaking because... there was no matchmaking! Tier 1 DD could fight with tier 10 BB, and it had work to do - he could scout and/or torpedo it. Additionally low tier players were highly involved in hunting submarines or anti-air cover, but as far as I know here AA will be automatic and no SSs will be included. IMHO - it was better. I don't like tech tree from WoT and MM system (LT with higher HP than HT?!). Maybe Wargamin would like to reconsider this issue? Sometimes it is good to radically change something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #903 Posted January 28, 2014 Honestly - I prefered tech tree construction fron NavyField DD->CL->CA->BB with side branches for CVs and SSs in some places. No problem with matchmaking because... there was no matchmaking! Tier 1 DD could fight with tier 10 BB, and it had work to do - he could scout and/or torpedo it. Additionally low tier players were highly involved in hunting submarines or anti-air cover, but as far as I know here AA will be automatic and no SSs will be included. IMHO - it was better. I don't like tech tree from WoT and MM system (LT with higher HP than HT?!). Maybe Wargamin would like to reconsider this issue? Sometimes it is good to radically change something... Every class coexisted with the others at the same time, there isn't that kind of development. BTW there isn't a single light tank with more HP than a heavy tank from the same tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dinozauriusz Players 11 posts 288 battles Report post #904 Posted January 28, 2014 BTW there isn't a single light tank with more HP than a heavy tank from the same tier. You see, I'm not saying about "same tier". Aufklärungspanzer Panther got more HP then Durchbruchswagen 2. I know that thay won't meet in the battle, but this HP difference is ridiculous. I see no reason for that "every class coexistence with the others at the same time" can't be done. ...but this is just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #905 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) You see, I'm not saying about "same tier". Aufklärungspanzer Panther got more HP then Durchbruchswagen 2. I know that thay won't meet in the battle, but this HP difference is ridiculous. I see no reason for that "every class coexistence with the others at the same time" can't be done. ...but this is just my opinion You're comparing a tier VII light tank which will face tanks from tiers above it and a tier IV heavy tank. By the way the Panther has more armor than the Durchbruchswagen 2 and even with the same amout of HP the Panther would own the heavy(that's why its 3 tiers higher) Ah and i forgot: Weight/Load Limit 29.93 / 30.0 t(D.W.2) Weight/Load Limit 37.67 / 40.0 t(Aufklärungspanzer Panther). At tier IV it would have been considered heavy ;) Edited January 28, 2014 by Deamon93 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dinozauriusz Players 11 posts 288 battles Report post #906 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm affraid that you don't understand me... What you wrote is exactly what I am saying about - MM based on tiers is making things strange! Tank that is light, would be heavy in other tier match. In my proposition it would be light and that's it. And still it could fight in one battle with Maus (it would be scout, or some other roles implemented by devs like eg. arty fire directing or whatever). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #907 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm affraid that you don't understand me... What you wrote is exactly what I am saying about - MM based on tiers is making things strange! Tank that is light, would be heavy in other tier match. In my proposition it would be light and that's it. And still it could fight in one battle with Maus (it would be scout, or some other roles implemented by devs like eg. arty fire directing or whatever). Well it's not strange if a Panther is heavier and more "healthy" than a pre WWII design. Still tech trees are divided in tiers which represents the development over time. It's the easiest way and it works fine(except in case of a troll platoon) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #908 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm affraid that you don't understand me... What you wrote is exactly what I am saying about - MM based on tiers is making things strange! Tank that is light, would be heavy in other tier match. In my proposition it would be light and that's it. And still it could fight in one battle with Maus (it would be scout, or some other roles implemented by devs like eg. arty fire directing or whatever). It could, but it would be utter trash and not worth even staying on-keyboard for. Try and think of one useful role for the Duckbrush in a game which has even such awful tier sevens as the Aufkl in. There ain't any. P.S. Why would the two most godawful tanks for their tiers in the entire game come to mind first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #909 Posted January 28, 2014 The worst things in life tend to stick in the mind. And I don't like the DD -> CL -> CA -> BB tech tree style because it will mean the grind will be huge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #910 Posted January 28, 2014 The worst things in life tend to stick in the mind. And I don't like the DD -> CL -> CA -> BB tech tree style because it will mean the grind will be huge Not only that, but to include the full range of ships which they want to, they would have to have people playing as Dreadnoughts in the same battles as Yamatos, Akitsu Maru playing alongside Taiho. Nobody likes to be an almost utter irrelevance to the game, some of us like it challenging, sure, but look at how hard many people whine in WoT when they come up against those even just two tiers higher. Think of the rage quits if the Medium mk2 ended up playing in the same battle as the IS-8, that's what it would be like. Tl;dr Some ships are a hell of a lot better than others. Rarity x Sweetie Belle is best 'ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoodyZA Alpha Tester 55 posts 317 battles Report post #911 Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for all the hard work Awesome. your my hero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KuroNyra Weekend Tester 810 posts 1,271 battles Report post #912 Posted January 29, 2014 Not only that, but to include the full range of ships which they want to, they would have to have people playing as Dreadnoughts in the same battles as Yamatos, Akitsu Maru playing alongside Taiho. Nobody likes to be an almost utter irrelevance to the game, some of us like it challenging, sure, but look at how hard many people whine in WoT when they come up against those even just two tiers higher. Think of the rage quits if the Medium mk2 ended up playing in the same battle as the IS-8, that's what it would be like. Tl;dr Some ships are a hell of a lot better than others. Rarity x Sweetie Belle is best 'ship Well... I'm pretty sur the dev will find a way to *cought* balance this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #913 Posted January 29, 2014 Well... I'm pretty sur the dev will find a way to *cought* balance this... They have. That way is the battle tier system already used. It works quite well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anomalie77 Weekend Tester 14 posts 2 battles Report post #914 Posted January 30, 2014 Yeah, so I had to relax and it turned out that making those updates were good way to do it. So enjoy. http://s25.postimg.org/t6fht1aq5/wows_japan_horizontal.jpg http://s25.postimg.org/wrbdc9f9p/wows_gb_horizontal.jpg PS Testing new image hosting, hope that it will work sweet! I like the look of the tree... and this is a better imagehost because some others that are used slow down forumbrowsing to a point where it just gets unbearable. Wow.. Ise CV/BB Hybrid? oO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #915 Posted January 30, 2014 Wow.. Ise CV/BB Hybrid? oO IJN -> Seaplanes on everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #916 Posted January 30, 2014 Ise and Hyuga had also provisions for Suisei dive bombers, but there's that little issue with their recovery... last time I read about it in in the Q/A it still wasn't clear whether they'll pretend that this wasn't an issue at all or it'll have Zuiun seaplanes only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #917 Posted February 3, 2014 @mr3awsome: Japan and UK pictures in the first post aren't working on my end, I've tested it on two different browsers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #918 Posted February 3, 2014 @mr3awsome: Japan and UK pictures in the first post aren't working on my end, I've tested it on two different browsers. I know, its the new hosting, Daimon_Frey_89 said that he might use a different one next time. In the mean time copy the image url into a different tab to view it Update! 12" Proto-Kongo renamed B-41 Kawachi moved to tier 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #919 Posted February 3, 2014 I know, its the new hosting, Daimon_Frey_89 said that he might use a different one next time. In the mean time copy the image url into a different tab to view it Imgur perhaps? 12" Proto-Kongo renamed B-41 Is this the same Proto-Kongo you mentioned here? B-41 has 6 305mm guns in three twin turrets, rather than five twin turrets mentioned before. And where did you get this info? I read earlier in the US Q/A that Teit doesn't remember which prototype he/she was referring to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superflamok Alpha Tester 367 posts 2,441 battles Report post #920 Posted February 3, 2014 why is it so taking long:/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daimon_Frey_89 Alpha Tester 253 posts 583 battles Report post #921 Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) But in which line should I put Kawachi and Hiraga now? GB tree in another hosting: http://i.imgur.com/QuL6H9e.jpg Edited February 3, 2014 by Daimon_Frey_89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr3awsome Alpha Tester 3,769 posts 58 battles Report post #922 Posted February 3, 2014 Go with Hiraga under Ise and Kawachi under Fuso for now. Thanks again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daimon_Frey_89 Alpha Tester 253 posts 583 battles Report post #923 Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) http://i.imgur.com/BP5ztoa.jpg yeah, I will seek for another hosting, since this one lowers quality of images really bad Edited February 3, 2014 by Daimon_Frey_89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #924 Posted February 4, 2014 USS Wasp and USS Ranger are at tier VII(probably Wasp before Yorktown and Ranger before Lexington). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBear87 Players 1,244 posts Report post #925 Posted February 4, 2014 Also IJN Oyodo class "CL-AV" and RN Arethusa class CL are tier V. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
