[POLL]Name of the T10 German BB "Grossdeutschland"

[Aotearas]

 

#YouJustGotEducated

 

Mentioned it for two reasons:

#1, because I'm a geek about it.

#2, because in the context of this thread, the sinking of the Yamato roughly equates with sinking a ship named after the origin of German national/cultural civilization: "The Celt was sunk - Europe now officially belongs to the Roman Empire"

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

[themoreyouknow]

Yamato is also the name for the progenitor out of which the modern (dominant) Japanese ethnic and its nation developed.[/trivia]

 

Correct, however in the ship's case, she was named for the province. Her sisters were named for the Musashi province and Shinano provinces. All three among the most important. Yamato for it's political and historical position, Shinano for it's utterly crucial location and Musashi for it's economic power. It is effectively a list of must-have's for any ruler of Japan. (any player of the Shogun games would know this) Incidentally they did form the most fought over places in the Warring States Period.

 

It should be noted that neither Yamato nor Musashi were the first ships to bear those names. The previous ones being mere corvettes.

[puxflacet]

what about some mythological names like Siegfried, Fafnir, Nibelung, Wotan, Heimdall... or Walhall?

 

...or Rienzi perhaps

 

Wallenstein ? I don't think the Protestants in Northern Germany would be very happy with that.

 

but more importantly he was czech and not german

 

[Khitan]

Zeppelin on the grounds that it will be big, fat and prone to burning!

[Needy_Game]

As a non German, I want a name that make my soul sing that this T10 BB is "über alles im spiel".

[N00b32]

but more importantly he was czech and not german

 

 

And ? Prinz Eugen anyone ? Or do you want a czech navy ? I'm confused. Because I do not think ships shoud be named after some fanatasy things but rather after persons with a significance.  And Wallenstein would be a perfect Nazi name, he served in the austrian and imperial army, in their logic they would need him to justify the occupation and so on. My point was rather that the only reason the Nazis would not pick him would be his religion or rather the participation in a so called religious war. He would be fine in an Austrian-Hungarian tree, but as we all know this is Wargaming and the only thing that matters are awesome flags on russian ships. (Btw. I still think there should be an Austrian-Hungarian tree for the sole purpose of marketing.)

 

Same with the "Neuschwanstein" idea someone has. Let's introduce the USS Superman, the IJN Hello Kitty and the French Navy ship Asterix. Wallenstein would be 10 x better. But even I think he does not fit. Because we have this very strange tree merging of political systems with complete different world views (royality vs. democracy) that would result in different names. No nazi would name a ship König. But I totally can see an Austrian ship named Wallenstein (although he was dismissed and frankly this is unlikely. But in the category of unlikeliness far more likely than a german Wallenstein and even that is far more likely than a Neuschwanstein. ).

 

Fitting, but the Germans did not name their battleships after castles.

 

Nope. Not fitting at all. The castle stands for a romantic view linked with a maybe (nobody is sure about that) mad king and a waste of money. Only in the mind of a foreigner this would be a good name. I have yet meet the german who thinks this is an awesome name. (Yes, I am sure you will find one if you search long enough.)

 

Neuschwanstein would be the perfect name for a galley the size of Yamato.

[puxflacet]

Youre right about Eugen. It never crossed my mind before.

N00b32, on 27 April 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:

Wallenstein

But the problem would be that czech are slavs - so inferior people in eyes of nazi propaganda. I don't think that religious differences would matter so much as his etnicity. But as you somewhat said before - another controversial aspect about him could be that he also spent most his career fighting against germans...even though alongside other germans. But Heydrich was interested in Wallenstein and used him for propaganda purposes in the Protectorate.

 

He sounds somewhat more probable in A-H tree...although i think that he had reputation as a traitor.

 

...I do not think ships shoud be named after some fanatasy things but rather after persons with a significance....

german ships were named after mythological beings before and many nazi leaders (Hitler included) were very fond in germanic mythology. Nazi way was after all anti-christian and more occultist.

 

 

As for real people my vote goes for Ludendorff...but it would sound better to have bb Hindenburg and cruiser Ludendorff at tier X

Ludendorff (excellent choice based on ease and connections, but rather poor as Ludendorff doesn't really deserve a T10)

Hermann von Salza (one of my favourites, easy to pronounce and just sounds incredibly German, too bad he is quite unknown unless you have specific knowledge)

Hermann (as in Arminius, easy, very German but is considerably more Nazi-connected than Grossdeutschland in the guise of 'Hermann', would avoid this one)

Friedrich Barbarossa or just Barbarossa (would love this one, but we can all guess that name's chances)

Karl der Grosse (also known as Charlemagne or Charles the Great, another favourite for me, but his popularity is relatively low and many would deny him being a proto-German).

these are the best picks imho

 

anyone mentioned Frundsberg? although he may not be popular or significant enough for tier X either...

 

(Neuschwanstein seems highly unlikely...)

[puxflacet]

Neuschwanstein would be the perfect name for a galley the size of Yamato.

 

[Unintentional_submarine]

anyone mentioned Frundsberg? although he may not be popular or significant enough for tier X either...

 

 

Well, now he is up there.

I wouldn't say he is T10 material. But I could certainly see him as the T9. He lacks that little bit of special, and he is relatively unknown. Most people will only see him as the namegiver for the SS division, if even that. To be honest I think he would fit T8 more, but we all know what will be there.

[CallicoJackRackham]

If i may throw my few cents in this discussion.

How about ''Felix von Luckner'' if we go by famous military people or if we go by things ''The Mustache'' would have liked, he liked classical music so why not ''Freischutz'' or ''Walkure'' or maybe named after a composer ''Johann Sebastian Bach'', ''Richard Wagner'', ''Ludwig von Beethoven'', ''Johannes Brahms'' etc.

[Vogel]

or a composer ''Johann Sebastian Bach'', ''Richard Wagner'', ''Ludwig von Beethoven'', ''Johannes Brahms'' etc.

 

No. Wouldn't feel right.

[CallicoJackRackham]

Ok so composers might be somewhat out there but how about Felix von Luckner? He was the Captain of the aforementioned Seeadler.

[Aotearas]

The name is decided, why continue trying to find alternative names?

[CallicoJackRackham]

The name is decided, why continue trying to find alternative names?

 

Partly for the fun of it and partly because ''Grossdeutschland'' just doesn't sit right with some people.

[anonym_0ZorndTR8mGY]

Der Angela Merkel?

[Aotearas]

 

Partly for the fun of it and partly because ''Grossdeutschland'' just doesn't sit right with some people.

 

If people take issues with the name, they should either read a history book and reflect on exactly what basis they have problems with it, or realize it's a game and the ship might just the same be called the 'GröFAZ-Kanu' ...

[Hayashio]

I'm alright with just H41.

Seconded. 

[Talladega_Night]

I think just calling it H41 would work.

[Vanhal]

 

Partly for the fun of it and partly because ''Grossdeutschland'' just doesn't sit right with some people.

 

Like the deutschlish "Your Deutschland is gross"?

 

I think just calling it H41 would work.

 

It's not WoT. I'm not fond of anthopomorphism, but numbers for ships sounds incredibly wrong. Even the stupidest name will be always better than just number.

 

[Talladega_Night]

 It's not WoT. I'm not fond of anthopomorphism, but numbers for ships sounds incredibly wrong. Even the stupidest name will be always better than just number.

 

 

Booty McBootGesicht then ^^

 

also what does anthopomorphism have to do with ships?

[fighting_falcon93]

I'm alright with just H41.

 

This. I don't see the problem with just naming it H41, wasn't that the actual class name? 

Although personally I'd prefer if the tier 10 was the H44 with 8 × 50.8 cm  

[Battleship_Nagato]

Why not Leberecht Maas?

[Vanhal]

 

also what does anthopomorphism have to do with ships?

 

Attributing human traits to ships is really common. Names and nicknames are part of it.

 

 

This. I don't see the problem with just naming it H41, wasn't that the actual class name? 

 

 

 

No, it was project designation, not name. Officially ships usually have only the project desigantion while planned and in building, until name is officially given to them, sometimes even until officially christened. H-41, as the rest of the H projects were never given name because they weren't even built (well, two H-39 was laid but soon construction stopped and anything built was scrapped).

 

Why not Leberecht Maas?

 

Because it was existing destroyer and because of naming policy. Not to mention LM end was rather not very heroic.

[Historynerd]

It's not WoT. I'm not fond of anthopomorphism, but numbers for ships sounds incredibly wrong. Even the stupidest name will be always better than just number.

 

Then what's going to happen when all those German destroyer with numbers and not names come knocking at the door? 

[Kraftad]

By historic convention most ships have a name and a capitol ship is a dead cert to have a name....so, no to the H-41!

Also no to Grossdeutschland due to the renaming of Deutschland by Hitler.

 

Yea, lets call it Grossdeutschland , in spite of him.

also it would be greatly satisfying to see it burn and being sunk with that name