Does your ship deserve it's tier status

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

My Fubuki is Tier 8, it's ok in random (nothing special) but very weak in ranked, considering Benson is the same tier then Fubuki does not imo deserve tier 8, i think tier 7 would be about right,this is just my opinion

 

[OttoKretschmer]

it's well known that Benson is OP in ranked

 

[txtspeak]

it's well known that Benson is OP in ranked

 

the cleveland does not deserve tier 6. it has too short a range 

[_GrimLock__]

First time i got the benson i was a totaly n00b with it,but once i get the hang of it its a total beast.Being able to go head to head with cruisers while hidding in the smoke(yes yes call me a coward and a he spammer) nad just enjoy their hp melting away just makes your day.It more a tier 8.5 ship than a t8.Fubuki rarely ,rarely stands a chance against it,unless you are bad at making decisions like me and eat torps)

[Hedgehog1963]

I hear from Rear Admiral Jingeroo that there will son be a second Chinese Tier VI Chinese DD which is essentially a direct port of the Gremyashchy.  That's right, even down to the 8km torpedoes it will be a Tier VI premium exact copy of the Gremy.  Now is that going to be underpowered?  I don't think so.

 

So what does that make the Gremyashchy?

[Hedgehog1963]

First time i got the benson i was a totaly n00b with it,but once i get the hang of it its a total beast.Being able to go head to head with cruisers while hidding in the smoke(yes yes call me a coward and a he spammer) nad just enjoy their hp melting away just makes your day.It more a tier 8.5 ship than a t8.Fubuki rarely ,rarely stands a chance against it,unless you are bad at making decisions like me and eat torps)

 

I have developed a technique.  After two of your salvoes have gone in, the Fubuki will have fired it's torps at you.  At that time hit full reverse.  Saves you form having to Turn, hardly affects your ability to keep blasting your opponent and he will miss with everything.

[_GrimLock__]

I always sail like a headless chicken when i engage i dd and i always try to get in the back of him to keep making him reajusting his position in order to torp me.Works pretty well so far

 

[ColonelPete]

My Fubuki is Tier 8, it's ok in random (nothing special) but very weak in ranked, considering Benson is the same tier then Fubuki does not imo deserve tier 8, i think tier 7 would be about right,this is just my opinion

 

The game is not balanced according to ranked games, but random games.

But even in random games, Benson is slightly better. At Tier VII Fubuki would be much stronger than all other DDs. I think Tier VIII is ok.

 

 

[RUMIRUMI]

I hear from Rear Admiral Jingeroo that there will son be a second Chinese Tier VI Chinese DD which is essentially a direct port of the Gremyashchy.  That's right, even down to the 8km torpedoes it will be a Tier VI premium exact copy of the Gremy.  Now is that going to be underpowered?  I don't think so.

 

So what does that make the Gremyashchy?

 

It makes the Greamyashchy underpowered for a tier 5 

[IamTroublemaker]

Basically all the ships I did not enjoy play/skipped. The likes of Ognevoi (losing turrets all the time), Yorck (horrible maneuverability and shell velocity) and Karlsruhe because its a damn Karlsruhe. All of those feel like they either need a buff or moved to lower tier.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

1) Post 0.5.3 the Mogami won't deserve tier 8 status. I think that there is a strong case to drop it to tier 7 (with maybe a further slight nerf), and to buff Myoko a bit an move it up to tier 8.

But this could play havoc with people currently grinding to Ibuki.

 

2) Atlanta is two tiers too high in terms of its actual performance. There is a thread somewhere (can't find it at the moment) that demonstrated the win rate, damage etc for all cruisers. This showed Atlanta performing at tier 5 level in terms of its stats, IIRC.

 

It might not be politically correct to drop it two tiers though. Drop one tier maybe, and give it a slight buff (e.g. smoke)

 

 

[Ferry_25]

The Montana!! By far! This ship is, uptill now because I don't have all the ships yet, my absolute greatest dissapointment. I cant fulfill it's role: when I stray beyond the AB/ IJ line I immediately get punished by 10 million torpedo's shot out of nowhere and with the boring sniping parties I have to load HE in order to do at least some damage against the Yamato. I don't have to bother sailing broadside or not: a hit = citadel drom that ship. I'm not 100% sure cause I don't have the Izumo yet but untill T IX the BB's of the 2 lines were roughly comparable: speed (IJN) vs toughness (USN) balanced OK-ish IMO. At least equal tiered BB's could hammer each other with AP and which had comparable results: bouncing and citadelling in similar situations. But all balance is lost with the Montana. I think this is such a pity: my Montana is rusting away in port. I know: I can't win all the time but every single time the same results: 3 hits on the enemy with a bill of 200 K is boring me. I got back to the Iowa. At least that's tolerable. 

[txtspeak]

1) Post 0.5.3 the Mogami won't deserve tier 8 status. I think that there is a strong case to drop it to tier 7 (with maybe a further slight nerf), and to buff Myoko a bit an move it up to tier 8.

But this could play havoc with people currently grinding to Ibuki.

 

2) Atlanta is two tiers too high in terms of its actual performance. There is a thread somewhere (can't find it at the moment) that demonstrated the win rate, damage etc for all cruisers. This showed Atlanta performing at tier 5 level in terms of its stats, IIRC.

 

It might not be politically correct to drop it two tiers though. Drop one tier maybe, and give it a slight buff (e.g. smoke)

 

 

they wont push the myoko up to tier 8, not after so many tier 6s got it almost for free.

it was an easy jump from tier 6 to tier 7. if they push it up to tier 8 70% of the playerbase will skip from tier 6 to tier 8. not cool

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

they wont push the myoko up to tier 8, not after so many tier 6s got it almost for free.

it was an easy jump from tier 6 to tier 7. if they push it up to tier 8 70% of the playerbase will skip from tier 6 to tier 8. not cool

 

You make some great points.

I don't know what WG can do to sort out the mess, unless they can accept a bit of loss of face by reversing some of the Mogami nerfs (They could maybe use the Mikhail Kutuzov as a precedent for being a "special case")

[True_Winterfeld]

Funny, I eat the Benson as a snack with my Tashkent in RB (better guns & more HP) and I have much greater problems with the Fubuki who stays invisible all the time, except if their is a CV present then its also bye-bye for the Fubuki. So far I dont see anything wrong with any of the rankings but I have not come further with any of my lines then tier 8.

[Spellfire40]

 

the cleveland does not deserve tier 6. it has too short a range 

 

Depends on the map because the Cleveland has a tiny Citadel for a CA too more than offseting its range and arc.

[txtspeak]

 

Depends on the map because the Cleveland has a tiny Citadel for a CA too more than offseting its range and arc.

 

it was a troll post I know the cleveland is OP

[Spellfire40]

 

it was a troll post I know the cleveland is OP

 

Depends on range honestly even nerfed she will be a beast but i wouldt underestimate Aobas either.

Nelson: Mogami with 200ish mm is better than Myoko because it can mount t8 modules reducing her unter 10km stealth fully trained and has better gunarcs too boot. too bad they want to nerf one of the rather unique CAs into the ground. Not saying it will be too bad but its looks like a Ibuki minus the heal ability once 150ish mm are no longer playable.

[Needy_Game]

 

Depends on range honestly even nerfed she will be a beast but i wouldt underestimate Aobas either.

Nelson: Mogami with 200ish mm is better than Myoko because it can mount t8 modules reducing her unter 10km stealth fully trained and has better gunarcs too boot. too bad they want to nerf one of the rather unique CAs into the ground. Not saying it will be too bad but its looks like a Ibuki minus the heal ability once 150ish mm are no longer playable.

 

  the Ibuki is not a bad ship, it can hold its own very well, the problem with it is the high tiers environment is AP-heavy, its common to be sailing minding your own business and suddenly lose half your HP due to some BB random sniping.

  the Mogami however, i loved that ship even before the game came out, a famous advanced Heavy cruiser, but the game is broken, and favours small calibre guns over the historically preferred 203mm, and as a result everyone is spammed with reckless abandon by mogami's who are intentionally using the 155+AFT to spamm everyone to absurd ranges, it should be an improved Myoko (even though its the other way around) with better armour and torps, not a T8 Cleveland 

[Tyrendian89]

if there's one T8 ship that I absolutely fear a division of, it's the Fubuki. That ship has only one weakness: its mediocre speed. Other than that... Concealment is great, Torps are great (both the 10km and 15km imho, for different situations they both have their uses), guns are more than servicable (great alpha to put into any DD that you happen to see, especially when you can disappear behind an island right after so he cant fight back).

 

There's a few points in the various trees that might work with a position switch - especially Cleve-Pensa. Not saying Pensa's not a capable ship, but she kinda feels like she has too little going for her at T7 (basically only her decent guns and AA, since she's lacking in armour, torps and very much in concealment. Cleve, on the other hand, can comfortably handle both other T7 cruisers - Yorck easily, which admittedly isn't saying much, and she's got lots of AA and better gun handling over Myoko who gets a bit of range, bigger guns and torps in return. Not something a Cleve can't fight...and against T9s she'd be about as much out of her depth as Pensa...

 

One definite candidate for "doesn't deserve her Tier status" is the Hatsuharu though - she's pretty much the same as Mutsuki with very little differences, some of those even negatives, and Mutsuki isn't exactly stellar at T6. Capable, yes, but not stellar. And Hatsu can't begin to hold a candle to her T7 competitors, because both of those are actually very good ships, even after the Kiev nerfs.

[txtspeak]

if there's one T8 ship that I absolutely fear a division of, it's the Fubuki. That ship has only one weakness: its mediocre speed. Other than that... Concealment is great, Torps are great (both the 10km and 15km imho, for different situations they both have their uses), guns are more than servicable (great alpha to put into any DD that you happen to see, especially when you can disappear behind an island right after so he cant fight back).

 

There's a few points in the various trees that might work with a position switch - especially Cleve-Pensa. Not saying Pensa's not a capable ship, but she kinda feels like she has too little going for her at T7 (basically only her decent guns and AA, since she's lacking in armour, torps and very much in concealment. Cleve, on the other hand, can comfortably handle both other T7 cruisers - Yorck easily, which admittedly isn't saying much, and she's got lots of AA and better gun handling over Myoko who gets a bit of range, bigger guns and torps in return. Not something a Cleve can't fight...and against T9s she'd be about as much out of her depth as Pensa...

 

One definite candidate for "doesn't deserve her Tier status" is the Hatsuharu though - she's pretty much the same as Mutsuki with very little differences, some of those even negatives, and Mutsuki isn't exactly stellar at T6. Capable, yes, but not stellar. And Hatsu can't begin to hold a candle to her T7 competitors, because both of those are actually very good ships, even after the Kiev nerfs.

they are gonna bring the cleveland up to either tier 7 or 8 I dont remember, and then give her some buffs

[Capra76]

I haven't played it, but going off the stats the Baltimore looks like it wouldn't be out of place at T7.

[Nethraniel]

At lower tiers, the St. Louis should be rather T4 and the Karlsruhe is not much of a T4 and could probably also be T3...

[txtspeak]

At lower tiers, the St. Louis should be rather T4 and the Karlsruhe is not much of a T4 and could probably also be T3...

 

agreed. st.louis kicks [edited]

[BadGene616]

The Atlanta simply isn't a t7.  It's a t6 at best.

The step from t7 to t8 premium (MK) is farcical at the moment.

 

The Mogami is perfectly effective at t8.  Play a New Orleans for a bit, fall in love with the 203mm mogami cause it has torps and stealth on top of the guns.  I'm not disputing the argument that the myoko is an excellent ship but this is also by comparison with the rather dire pensacola.