Mikhail Kutuzov in 0.5.3. Public Test Server

[Klimons]

Considering all the issues with AFT/BFT/EM in 0.5.3. and corresponding Kutuzov buffs I think it would be wise to add Kutuzov for all/most players taking part in second round of testing starting tomorrow. It would allow to collect import data about the ship and its performance after supposed changes in 0.5.3.

[Jadefalken]

I voted no purely because I bought the ship as it holds sentimental value and it was a 60 euro bundle to players who wanted to buy her knowing after the test she was not oped but effective with players who can use her abilities wisely.

 

Why should they grant it again when it is staying just as she is for players who bought her previously? 

[Vogel]

Because it probably is pretty OP now

[Klimons]

I voted no purely because I bought the ship as it holds sentimental value and it was a 60 euro bundle to players who wanted to buy her knowing after the test she was not oped but effective with players who can use her abilities wisely.

 

Why should they grant it again when it is staying just as she is for players who bought her previously? 

 

If I am correct You bought a ship that has 15,9km gun range, 6,7 RoF and 33,33s 180 Degree Turret Turn Time. So i hardly see it stays the same in 0.5.3

[Jadefalken]

Well the ship was bought knowing this information. You needed the aft and captain skills to make the ship effective. 

 

Many ship stat sites show the atago is still the best premium cruiser in game.

 

Because the mikhail receives the buff does not change how it is playing at the moment. WG  are just preventing a nerf to the premium ship.

 

It does not become over powered or remains oped. It is just not getting nerfed.

[Jadefalken]

Because it probably is pretty OP now

 

It is not oped at the moment as commented by many community contributors and fan videos.

[MrFingers]

 

It is not oped at the moment as commented by many community contributors and fan videos.

 

He probably means: "it is going to be OP with the 0.5.3 iteration of the game", as is on the test-server.

[Jadefalken]

 

He probably means: "it is going to be OP with the 0.5.3 iteration of the game", as is on the test-server.

 

But the OP claims that the mikhail is getting a buff which it is not.

 

They are changing it if you already have the captain skills. I use my Russian DD captain which already has the perks so for me and few that already bought the mikhail and use it a captain trainer will not notice any changes.

[von_Boeg]

 

But the OP claims that the mikhail is getting a buff which it is not.

 

Ah, do not worry, you can be sure I will monitor the preformance of that ship.

[MrFingers]

But the topicstarter claims that the mikhail is getting a buff which it is not.

As per developer:

Mikhail Kutuzov is one such ship and it will be buffed to compensate for the loss of these skills.

 

The MK will get a buff, so it will stay at the level where it is now (with AFT-perk), whereas other cruisers will get nerfed by the new AFT-requirements. Depending on what you take as a reference (either the maximum range, or the raw stats of the ships), that means that it stays at a status quo for the MK, with a nerf for the other ships, or a buff for the MK, with a status quo for the other ships respectively. Either way, the MK will become better compared to the other ships.

[Klimons]

Well the ship was bought knowing this information. You needed the aft and captain skills to make the ship effective. 

 

Many ship stat sites show the atago is still the best premium cruiser in game.

 

Because the mikhail receives the buff does not change how it is playing at the moment. WG  are just preventing a nerf to the premium ship.

 

It does not become over powered or remains oped. It is just not getting nerfed.

 

http://warships.today/vehicle/3762206160/eu/Mikhail%20Kutuzov from last 2 weeks shows that Atago has +1% WR and +1k avarage damage and  both of them are better than Hipper and New Orleans. Nothing changes for Atago in 0.5.3. but Kutuzov captains can redistribute 7 points to other skills (Demolition Expert is one of the obvious choices).

I didnt say that Kutuzov is overpowered as t8 ship but it clearly outperform all t8 silver Cruisers except Mogami. We know that Mogami is going to be nerfed a lot in 0.5.3. considering she was dependant on AFT/BFT/EM.

 

And i guess a player that bought Kutuzov without high lvl captain in reserve wont notice a diference in increased range, rof, and turret traverse.

[t3h3th32]

If somebody wants to go through all that hassle installing new launchers or whatever needs to be done to join the test server, why not enable all premium ships? The test goes on like a week or something? This would mean, a dedicated player, who wants to go through all that trouble gets some joy from getting his hands on exclusive content, might also like those ships and purchase them later on, so it might be a double win-win scenario for both WG and the players and also attract more people to participate in the testing and feedback effort.

 

Cheers,

~t3h'Pâr4d0x

[Jadefalken]

 

http://warships.today/vehicle/3762206160/eu/Mikhail%20Kutuzov from last 2 weeks shows that Atago has +1% WR and +1k avarage damage and  both of them are better than Hipper and New Orleans. Nothing changes for Atago in 0.5.3. but Kutuzov captains can redistribute 7 points to other skills (Demolition Expert is one of the obvious choices).

I didnt say that Kutuzov is overpowered as t8 ship but it clearly outperform all t8 silver Cruisers except Mogami. We know that Mogami is going to be nerfed a lot in 0.5.3. considering she was dependant on AFT/BFT/EM.

 

And i guess a player that bought Kutuzov without high lvl captain in reserve wont notice a diference in increased range, rof, and turret traverse.

 

Only if the mogami used the 155mm guns not the 203.

 

Compare how many own the mikhail over the atago by the number of games played over the last few weeks.

[Klimons]

 

Only if the mogami used the 155mm guns not the 203.

 

Compare how many own the mikhail over the atago by the number of games played over the last few weeks.

 

If Mogami uses 203 its worse than Atago in every way. It has better results because of 155s.

And statistics can be reliable if you aquire enough subjects for analysis. In last 2 weeks Atago had 24,5k  battles and Kutuzov had 9,9k. Both samples are big enough for comparison and difference wont be an important factor.

[Kazomir]

They dont give it out for testing because it will become clear that it is too OP compared to competitors now. And they need the MK to sell.

 

I am not mad they removed AFT and BFT from Cruisers, I am mad because they only chose to compensate ONLY a certain PREMIUM RUSSIAN cruiser for that change, while ignoring all other affected cruisers. This is [edited]. Even more so when you know that the cruiser is the most UP class in the game right now.

[T_H_0_R]

No brainer. Yes.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

DISCLOSURE: I have the Mikhail Kutuzov. I love the ship, though I am a poor player in her (my stats are open and can be checked to prove this).

 

I was actually GIVEN the MK with a 13 skill Admiral included in Public Test when she became available. (This was the Public Test before the 0.5.3 one, obviously.) Playing her in PT convinced me that it would be "safe" to buy her.  I use my 12 skill DD Captain in Mikhail Kutuzov, so she plays pretty much as she will when 0.5.3 goes live. I would by no means describe her as OP in my hands, but good players will get excellent results in her.

 

I also have Mogami in the live game, and I tried the nerfed Mogami on PT with both 155mm and 203mm guns.  For the average player Mogami is going to be a nightmare - mainly due to the slow turret traverse.

 

I say let people try both the Mikhail Kutuzov AND Mogami, so that people can make informed comment in the s***storm debate that follows.

[Panocek]

Ivanovich_Rudakov, on 08 February 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

But the topicstarter claims that the mikhail is getting a buff which it is not.

As per developer:

Mikhail Kutuzov is one such ship and it will be buffed to compensate for the loss of these skills.

 

The MK will get a buff, so it will stay at the level where it is now (with AFT-perk), whereas other cruisers will get nerfed by the new AFT-requirements. Depending on what you take as a reference (either the maximum range, or the raw stats of the ships), that means that it stays at a status quo for the MK, with a nerf for the other ships, or a buff for the MK, with a status quo for the other ships respectively. Either way, the MK will become better compared to the other ships.

 

Keep in mind MK not only gets buffed up to BFT/AFT/EK stats, but also can redistribute 7 skill points somewhere else, although for that you would need dedicated captain, as most RU DDs rely on AFT anyway.

 

Which made MK and Murmansk great crew trainers - very compatible skill sets

[cherry2blost]

Yes absolutely let all the whiners give her a go in PT... Then they will quit the bitching the first time it gets nuked by everything in the game... Then they will play it a second time, same results and then.. Maybe..they will quit the bitching.... !

[kantkantian]

Yes absolutely let all the whiners give her a go in PT... Then they will quit the bitching the first time it gets nuked by everything in the game... Then they will play it a second time, same results and then.. Maybe..they will quit the bitching.... !

 

Thanks for showing your support.

[Vogel]

<statement which contains irony>

 

[Brett50]

I just don't get the reasoning behind the nerf anyway, they say it's because they don't want ships balanced around captain skills and because they don't want cruisers outranging battleships? The Nurnberg currently outranges the New Mexico so is that an issue? (unless of course you mount the extra range equipment on your New Mex but then that would be balancing a ship around extra equipment, how is that better than balancing around captain skills?) and they then buff the MK so it can outrange every other cruiser of her tier by a good few km (excluding the Hipper) but only buff the MK to compensate, no other premium (or otherwise) ships. The Yubari, the Marblehead, the Murmansk all suffer but get no recompense. I wouldn't be so angry if they either applied the nerf equally or buffed all affected ships equally but to pick and choose with no explanation is just stoking the bonfire under their arses.

[Panocek]

I just don't get the reasoning behind the nerf anyway, they say it's because they don't want ships balanced around captain skills and because they don't want cruisers outranging battleships? The Nurnberg currently outranges the New Mexico so is that an issue? (unless of course you mount the extra range equipment on your New Mex but then that would be balancing a ship around extra equipment, how is that better than balancing around captain skills?) and they then buff the MK so it can outrange every other cruiser of her tier by a good few km (excluding the Hipper) but only buff the MK to compensate, no other premium (or otherwise) ships. The Yubari, the Marblehead, the Murmansk all suffer but get no recompense. I wouldn't be so angry if they either applied the nerf equally or buffed all affected ships equally but to pick and choose with no explanation is just stoking the bonfire under their arses.

 

Murmansk/Yubari/Marble already paid for their toys. And nothing stimulates "need" for new toys like better toys amrite?

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

Yes absolutely let all the whiners give her a go in PT... Then they will quit the bitching the first time it gets nuked by everything in the game... Then they will play it a second time, same results and then.. Maybe..they will quit the bitching.... !

 

You can't assume that EVERYONE will flop when playing the ship. Good players will get good results from playing Mikhail Kutozov.

 

You yourself are a very good player and you get good results with Mikhail Kutozov.

 

Why deny other players the opportunity to "try before you buy"?

[pegon]

You don't get this guys, wows is still a new game and it still has a playerbase that is to small to pay for the investment. They will soon launch the russian cruiser line. What do you think will happen if the players that bought the Kutu to get ready for this, get shafted ?