[XFS] SDGsteve Players 207 posts 19,413 battles Report post #1 Posted February 5, 2016 Well I have grinded up and can now if I want research and bye the IWOA @ L9 I have read a lot about going past L8 and mostly it’s not good reading comments, so do you think it’s worth it yet or not Is it worth spending 25 million + ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #2 Posted February 5, 2016 The basic thing about T9 and T10 is that you get punished more for your mistakes (which includes credits) and you need to preform well in order to earn some credits. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurbain Players 1,976 posts 2,773 battles Report post #3 Posted February 5, 2016 Well I have grinded up and can now if I want research and bye the IWOA @ L9 I have read a lot about going past L8 and mostly it’s not good reading comments, so do you think it’s worth it yet or not Is it worth spending 25 million + ? According to your statistics I would recommend sticking with T8 and below for now and familiarizing yourself with the game a bit more.A single mistake can be very costly at T9/T10, especially in a BB, which have difficulty getting out of bad situations. Grinding the Iowa may end up costing you a lot of credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] SomeoneYouKnow2 Beta Tester 301 posts 13,581 battles Report post #4 Posted February 5, 2016 How did you grind to Iowa with only 24 games in the North Carolina? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IamTroublemaker Beta Tester 2,287 posts 11,047 battles Report post #5 Posted February 5, 2016 How did you grind to Iowa with only 24 games in the North Carolina? I'm guessing you did not check for ranked? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myrmix Players 949 posts 4,642 battles Report post #6 Posted February 5, 2016 Most people I know say the Iowa is the peak of the US-BB-tree. Montana not so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #7 Posted February 6, 2016 Most people I know say the Iowa is the peak of the US-BB-tree. Montana not so much. I would say north Carolina is..... Same guns, same same tactics... Only bonus is the AA gets slightly better and as an 8,9 or 10 you may see t10 then suppose it's worth it.... I for one find anything g above T8 to be dull... Magic tiers are 5 to 7 best balance best team play... Dunno just feels better IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Msiiek Players 465 posts 5,330 battles Report post #8 Posted February 6, 2016 Iowa/Montana have the same guns (with better penetration) but not North Carolina. Also I feel they have better dispersion than NC or maybe it's the module (can't check stats in game now). Another note, with Atago in training room I can pen Iowa into citadel from close range while NC and Montana seems to have thicker belt. Anyway Iowa is best BB if top tier for me (really strong guns) and only Montana and Yamato are better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-C] Kharazas Beta Tester 121 posts 6,856 battles Report post #9 Posted February 6, 2016 Is it worth spending 25 million + ? On what else would you like to spend the 25 million? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #10 Posted February 6, 2016 I would say north Carolina is..... Same guns, same same tactics... Only bonus is the AA gets slightly better and as an 8,9 or 10 you may see t10 then suppose it's worth it.... I for one find anything g above T8 to be dull... Magic tiers are 5 to 7 best balance best team play... Dunno just feels better IMO the main differences between NC and Iowa, at least for me, were gun placement (god the arcs on NC are stupid especially backwards, while Iowa's are amazing - more often than not I'm actually comfortable using all three...), and speed (Iowa goes crazy fast with a speed flag, faster than German CAs iirc). Oh, and access to the 3m upgrade slot for accuracy. I'd say Iowa is very much worth the upgrade. Monty... not so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XTHD Players 341 posts 8,322 battles Report post #11 Posted February 6, 2016 I would say north Carolina is..... Same guns, same same tactics... Only bonus is the AA gets slightly better and as an 8,9 or 10 you may see t10 then suppose it's worth it.... I for one find anything g above T8 to be dull... Magic tiers are 5 to 7 best balance best team play... Dunno just feels better IMO Iowa has longer barrels, faster shells and better penetration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XFS] SDGsteve Players 207 posts 19,413 battles Report post #12 Posted February 6, 2016 How did you grind to Iowa with only 24 games in the North Carolina? 70 total and with ESCL Flag giving + 50% XP Think I gave it a miss for a while though and wait thanks for the reply's all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurbain Players 1,976 posts 2,773 battles Report post #13 Posted February 7, 2016 Iowa has longer barrels, faster shells and better penetration. Yeah, and better firing angles. You also never have to worry about being bottom-tier again. On the other hand you will meet T10s more often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #14 Posted February 7, 2016 I would say north Carolina is..... Same guns, same same tactics... Only bonus is the AA gets slightly better and as an 8,9 or 10 you may see t10 then suppose it's worth it.... I for one find anything g above T8 to be dull... Magic tiers are 5 to 7 best balance best team play... Dunno just feels better IMO Wat? I hate the North Carolina and its shotgun full of cabbages. If Iowa is the same I'm going to be sad. New Mexico is the bestest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGP2W] Namolis Players 751 posts 18,410 battles Report post #15 Posted February 8, 2016 Iowa is a North Carolina with slightly worse detection, slightly better guns, slightly more HP, slightly more speed and slightly better AA, none of which really matters too much. The real advantages are that the back guns can turn out to 33 degrees off the bow (rather than the abysmal 48 of the NC) so they can be easier to put into play and the fact you have one extra module (so either dispersion or faster reload). On the other hand you make some major sacrifices: you are longer and easier to hit, have considerably worse turning ability and you get a citadel the size of a small moon. And you still have no side armor or torpedo protection. Tbh, I feel it's really more of a bunch of tradeoffs than an improvement over NC. It's certainly not better than Amagi. But I know I'm weird. I have a feeling everyone hates the NC these days and everyone keeps insisting the Iowa is great. I cannot for the life of me see what is supposed to be so great about it (in game, mind you), but others evidently do. (Some of those same people will then go on to tell you that Izumo is the worst pos ever and that Iowa is infinitely much bettererererer. Even if recent stats show they are just about dead even in both WR and damage). Anyway; this particular BB player will not say that Iowa is the peak of USN BBs. I actually like Monty, even if I liked it more prior to the rudder nerf. I think it's more fun to play than both Iowa and Yamato. PS There is actually a rumor flying around the NA server that Montana may get a slight buff next patch too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurbain Players 1,976 posts 2,773 battles Report post #16 Posted February 8, 2016 Wat? I hate the North Carolina and its shotgun full of cabbages. If Iowa is the same I'm going to be sad. New Mexico is the bestest Well, the Iowa is the first American BB that has access to the Accuracy Module, which certainly helps. But I know I'm weird. I have a feeling everyone hates the NC these days and everyone keeps insisting the Iowa is great. I cannot for the life of me see what is supposed to be so great about it (in game, mind you), but others evidently do. (Some of those same people will then go on to tell you that Izumo is the worst pos ever and that Iowa is infinitely much bettererererer. Even if recent stats show they are just about dead even in both WR and damage). Anyway; this particular BB player will not say that Iowa is the peak of USN BBs. I actually like Monty, even if I liked it more prior to the rudder nerf. I think it's more fun to play than both Iowa and Yamato. Yeah, the more I play the game the more I get the feel that the pre-conceived notions you encounter on these forums are wrong, especially concering High-Tier ships, probably shaped by outdated buffs/nerfs. The North Carolina seems to be an excellent BB (Accuracy could be a bit better, though) with just the right mix of tankiness + firepower and the Des Moines is an excellent cruiser if you know how to play it. A friend of mine is top of the team with it nearly every time I play T10 with him. He had a 260K damage game in it just yesterday. The other High-Tier American cruisers seem to not be bad either. They may not pack as much punch as the Japanese, but they got better AA and appear to be less fragile (smaller citadel?) Izumo I've heard good things about from some players. You probably just need to learn how to play it. At the very least it seems tanky, because it is the BB I do the least damage to in my Nagato/Amagi whenever I encounter them. Personally I recently unlocked the Ibuki and people are complaining about T9 cruisers all the time as well, but I've go no issue with it so far. Using 203mm again after the Mogami is a breath of fresh air and it definitely packs enough punch to hold its own. It may have slightly less firepower than the Myoko, but the heal alone easily makes up for that. Makes me feel like a BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
__Katniss__ Players 790 posts 2,278 battles Report post #17 Posted February 8, 2016 Iowa is extremly weak. Its amazingly easy to citadel her and make huge dmg with AP even on her superstructure. US BB line is waste of time. I made Montana as my first tier 10 ship but when i bough Yamato i dont see any point to play Montana again. Everything what Montana can do Yamato can do better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #18 Posted February 8, 2016 Iowa is extremly weak. Its amazingly easy to citadel her and make huge dmg with AP even on her superstructure. US BB line is waste of time. I made Montana as my first tier 10 ship but when i bough Yamato i dont see any point to play Montana again. Everything what Montana can do Yamato can do better. It's amazingly easy to citadel an idiot driving in an Iowa, that's for sure - but the Izumo is even worse in that regard. And when angled, both will bounce 16" shells from any range happily all day. So I fail to see your point about the Iowa. Yamato in its current state changes that equation though (hello overmatch...), and the issues of Monty compared to her have been discussed to death, back to life and then to death again... several times... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
__Katniss__ Players 790 posts 2,278 battles Report post #19 Posted February 8, 2016 It's amazingly easy to citadel an idiot driving in an Iowa, that's for sure - but the Izumo is even worse in that regard. And when angled, both will bounce 16" shells from any range happily all day. So I fail to see your point about the Iowa. Yamato in its current state changes that equation though (hello overmatch...), and the issues of Monty compared to her have been discussed to death, back to life and then to death again... several times... Citadel on thats ship is everywhere, you can shot Iowa under turrets or in the middle of ship still at least 2-3 citadel hits. Yesterday i hit Iowa for 5 citadel hits in 1 salvo from tirpitz. Yes, it was ideal situation but anyways. Her citadels are weakly armored compared to other BBs. Even Amagi is harded to citadel. Thats my point. You cant sail forward all the time and sometimes you are forced to show your side armor and in Iowa you will pay for it too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Msiiek Players 465 posts 5,330 battles Report post #20 Posted February 8, 2016 In ideal situation I can one shot Yamato with Montana. In normal day situations you can bounce Yamato shells with Iowa depending on angle and which section Yamato is shooting. Every bb is easy to citadel if broad at ranges lower than 18-16 km. For me Iowa better than NC and Montana better than Iowa so is worth upgrading. And in Montana I'm only scared of torpedos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAP] T0rad Players 216 posts 2,054 battles Report post #21 Posted February 8, 2016 In ideal situation I can one shot Yamato with Montana. In normal day situations you can bounce Yamato shells with Iowa depending on angle and which section Yamato is shooting. Every bb is easy to citadel if broad at ranges lower than 18-16 km. For me Iowa better than NC and Montana better than Iowa so is worth upgrading. And in Montana I'm only scared of torpedos oh no, that you cant. Yamato can pen you from front, can pen your turrets even when they are pointed at her in highly angeled ship (in Iowa, dont know about monty). i think the only chance of Iowa against yamato si to quickly get close. and outmanuver it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
__Katniss__ Players 790 posts 2,278 battles Report post #22 Posted February 8, 2016 In ideal situation I can one shot Yamato with Montana. In normal day situations you can bounce Yamato shells with Iowa depending on angle and which section Yamato is shooting. Every bb is easy to citadel if broad at ranges lower than 18-16 km. For me Iowa better than NC and Montana better than Iowa so is worth upgrading. And in Montana I'm only scared of torpedos So, you dont care about Yamatos doing 20+k dmg per slavo frontaly to your Montana ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Msiiek Players 465 posts 5,330 battles Report post #23 Posted February 8, 2016 Of course Yamato can pen trough bow and turrets (Montana have the same turrets), but not every Yamato know where to shoot, becouse even Yamato shells will bounce of belt armor if angled (at least in Montana, i dont know if Iowa armor is enough, didnt played it for a long time). But if he is shooting at the very front Yamato shells will always pen while others bb will almost always bounce becouse of caliber (1/14 of 460mm is more than 32mm armor that every bb have at bow, Yamato too). Overall for me when i played Iowa other the only real dangers where torpedos, t10 bbs, and Zao . Didnt played Izumo but it felt like her shells dont do anything if angled (just like mine to her) so you need to shoot superstructure where Iowa suffers becouse there is something everywhere on deck waiting to be damged ;p. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAP] T0rad Players 216 posts 2,054 battles Report post #24 Posted February 8, 2016 yeah, and its made so only because yamato is supposed to have some "legendary" status. In reality those shells would perform very similarly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myrmix Players 949 posts 4,642 battles Report post #25 Posted February 8, 2016 Yeah, and better firing angles. You also never have to worry about being bottom-tier again. On the other hand you will meet T10s more often. where id you get those infos? would be really cool for other ships, too (especially turret-angles) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
