Tier X shimikaze what a joke!

[Goktsu]

So got the ship thinking it would be nice, seriously over 2 min for torpedoes reload even with 3x5 does not justify this. Most games feel so [edited]boring with this ship , you just wait for those [edited]torpedoes to reload forget about getting good XP this ship is miserable.

 

The Torp are so easy to spot by the time they on the way .

I dont see the point to play high tier destroyer the game just does not feel right and i think i will stick to lower tier destroyer no point playing a ship that practically is semi afk for half the game.

[IamTroublemaker]

It must be boring getting all those random torpedo hits which even cruisers have no chance to avoid, I feel your pain

 

EDIT: IJN DDs are the arty of WoWs. You should have known that before starting the line. Powerful weapon with slow reload.

Also, I've been told Shima has good guns and can stealth fire, so why don't you try that out while you are reloading?

[General_Alexus]

And thats the reason why i played US and SN DDs instead of the IJN DDs. I have Gearing and Udaloy and with Gearing it´s like: I use my guns and every 2 min i can try to get some extra dmg with Torpedos. But if they miss it´s no Problem.

Of Course Shima is the better DD in Terms of Torpedos but i didnt like the Idea to be dependent on Torpedos alone. Seems like you are a similar Kind of Player, but you realised that a bit late.

[OVanBruce]

Meanwhile, other tier X DD players...

 

[ghostbuster_]

ıts really funny to see people crying about their shimikaze. The most dominant ship atm.

[Azalgor]

I can only  facepalm at this... There is no TX game without a Shimikase,  or to be more precise - bunch of them. Folowed by Gearing, then Khabarovsk. If Shimikase was as bad as you state it to be, noone would play it... 

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

Ridiculous gap in class between USN and IJN DD's from tier 7 onwards, USN DD's are far superior, ok Shima has loads of torps, but over 2 minute reloads is mad, cannot compete with the USN gunships

[GulvkluderGuld]

Ridiculous gap in class between USN and IJN DD's from tier 7 onwards, USN DD's are far superior, ok Shima has loads of torps, but over 2 minute reloads is mad, cannot compete with the USN gunships

 

1) even if that was true, it would be ample compensation for playing crappy inferior US DDs for 7 tiers

2) Shima is the most dominant ship in tier X

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

1) even if that was true, it would be ample compensation for playing crappy inferior US DDs for 7 tiers

2) Shima is the most dominant ship in tier X

Tier 7 IJN Hatsuharu, Tier 7 USN Mahan

 

Again USN DD is far superior in almost every department, Hatsuharu is quite weak yet Mahan is a powerful gunship for it's tier

[ColonelPete]

Maybe the forum whiners should make up their minds...

[Aldramelech]

Wow, what did I just read? Seriously?

[Kurbain]

It's Shimakaze, guys. Not Shimikaze, Shimakase or Shimikase. 

 

 

but over 2 minute reloads is mad, cannot compete with the USN gunships 

 

Again USN DD is far superior in almost every department, Hatsuharu is quite weak yet Mahan is a powerful gunship for it's tier

 

I also prefer gunboat DDs, but according to the statistics the IJN DDs are definitely not inferior to the USN DDs, even though general skill level across US DD players is probably higher because they have a niche playstyle and awful shell arc.

 

Average Damage during the week of 16.01 to 23.01:

 

 

Mahan: 18933

Hatsuharu: 21636

 

Gearing: 46400

Shimakaze: 54008

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20160123/eu_week/average_ship.html

 

 

 

[Takru]

Ridiculous gap in class between USN and IJN DD's from tier 7 onwards, USN DD's are far superior, ok Shima has loads of torps, but over 2 minute reloads is mad, cannot compete with the USN gunships

 

It's not meant to. Different roles and the such.

[Tubit101]

[GulvkluderGuld]

Tier 7 IJN Hatsuharu, Tier 7 USN Mahan

 

Again USN DD is far superior in almost every department, Hatsuharu is quite weak yet Mahan is a powerful gunship for it's tier

 

Again, Shimakaze is the most played tier X ship.

 

Tier 7 mahan used to have crap torpedoes, forgot they changed them. Hatsu still have way better stealth, a smaller profile (harder to hit) and should be able to stay undetected by the dangerous gunship.

I also believe its torps reload faster than the Mahan, and the guns turn decently fast. You should try play US dds up to tier VIII and compare to IJN dds, then you will know what i mean about crap dds untill tier 8.

[Takeda92]

Mahan: 18933

Hatsuharu: 21636

 

 

Isn't it kind of wrong that the ship that is anti-BB only manages 2.5k more damage that the anti-DD ship?

 

That's not the problem though. Look at Kiev's damage and tell me how a ship with crappy torps and only good guns manages higher average damage than the 2 ships with better torps that are more likely to do more damage to BBs.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

Again, Shimakaze is the most played tier X ship.

 

Tier 7 mahan used to have craptorpedoes, forgot they changed them. Hatsu still have way better stealth, a smaller profile (harder to hit) and should be able to stay undetected by the dangerous gunship.

I also believe its torps reload faster than the Mahan, and the guns turn decently fast. You should try play US dds up to tier VIII and compare to IJN dds, then you will know what i mean about crap dds untill tier 8.

 

I might just do that, i suppose that is the most logical thing to do...Watch this space, i will come back with honest opinion

[LilJumpa]

Didn't remember why i had OP on Ignore. Clicked "view anyway" and bam it all came back after his first sentence. Title could have been a hint but I actually thought it was from a BB player.

 

tl,dr, need some fishoil.....

 

 

 

 

that picture is.....wtf are they wearing? 

[Gunship14]

that picture is.....wtf are they wearing? 

[Azalgor]

The acusation on IJN DD beying inferior to US DD is the same as crying that US CA are crap compared to IJN CA and that IJN CV is crap compared to US CV. CV problem aside, two nations, different ships intended for different purposes.

I already sugested we leave 1 full tech tree and forget the rest of the nations, noone would cry aboutt balance as we will al play same ships, but all started crying it would be no fun, then why you want to cry that a suport vessel MUST be equal in strenght compared to an artilery ship (US CA vs IJN CA)? Thanks to dat Zao is now at tier 8 next to Atago.

Soviets DD were sugested as pure gun boats, were nerfed last patch and whats the result ? In my case i see mostly IJN and US DD. Same here, IJN were made into stealth torpedo boats while as US were gun boats, if the ship was made to be stealthy it means it is weak in a dogfight, get the message?

If every ship was identical with each other in 1 vs 1, the game would suck even more than it does now, taking in to acount all the unrealistic features and flaws that need a lot of work...

[Reyte]

The acusation on IJN DD beying inferior to US DD is the same as crying that US CA are crap compared to IJN CA and that IJN CV is crap compared to US CV. CV problem aside, two nations, different ships intended for different purposes.

I already sugested we leave 1 full tech tree and forget the rest of the nations, noone would cry aboutt balance as we will al play same ships, but all started crying it would be no fun, then why you want to cry that a suport vessel MUST be equal in strenght compared to an artilery ship (US CA vs IJN CA)? Thanks to dat Zao is now at tier 8 next to Atago.

Soviets DD were sugested as pure gun boats, were nerfed last patch and whats the result ? In my case i see mostly IJN and US DD. Same here, IJN were made into stealth torpedo boats while as US were gun boats, if the ship was made to be stealthy it means it is weak in a dogfight, get the message?

If every ship was identical with each other in 1 vs 1, the game would suck even more than it does now, taking in to acount all the unrealistic features and flaws that need a lot of work...

 

people want their ship to be the best in every way, that every strong point of a ship can come hand-in-hand with a certain disatvantage is ignorred.

[GulvkluderGuld]

 

I might just do that, i suppose that is the most logical thing to do...Watch this space, i will come back with honest opinion

 

Do that

 

I recently got back to my Isokaze and sailing it just feels like murdering babies...Most games i get 3-4 kills and I even reached as high as 140k dmg and high caliber once.

My highest US dd damage on all tiers is in the 100-120k bracket i believe.

The difference between IJN  and US gets pretty blurry from tier 8...I think the Benson is better than a fubuki if you know how to handle it, but my experience with IJN dds is limited I must admit :O

[EsaTuunanen]

Isn't it kind of wrong that the ship that is anti-BB only manages 2.5k more damage that the anti-DD ship?

 

That's not the problem though. Look at Kiev's damage and tell me how a ship with crappy torps and only good guns manages higher average damage than the 2 ships with better torps that are more likely to do more damage to BBs.

Compare number of players and battles!

Hatsuharu has almost twice the players of Mahan and five times as much as Kiev.

IJN torpedo boats have more "not so good" players because USN gunboats with are more demanding to survive and have decent influence to match.

And Soviet DDs go into extreme in challenge meaning only good players remain.

That kind differences distort stats seriously.

[Kurbain]

Isn't it kind of wrong that the ship that is anti-BB only manages 2.5k more damage that the anti-DD ship?

 

That's not the problem though. Look at Kiev's damage and tell me how a ship with crappy torps and only good guns manages higher average damage than the 2 ships with better torps that are more likely to do more damage to BBs.

 

I don't see anything wrong with that.

It is easier to hit enemy ships with guns than torpedoes and the gunboat DDs aren't really Anti-DD, especially not the Russians with their bad concealment. They are more like Light Support Cruisers.

And if you ask me RU DDs should have the highest average damage out of all DDs because they are the hardest to play. With a few exceptions you are forced to get spotted if you want to damage a ship as a RU DD and gotta deal with plenty of incoming enemy fire because you will usually be the ship closest to them.

USN (T7+) and IJN DDs can just stealth-fire/stealth-torp all day as long as they don't run into an enemy USN/IJN DD.

 

Considering most RU DD players are good, their average damage is a bit disappointing. Ever seen a bad Kiev player that mindlessly rushes at the start and dies without doing damage? I haven't.

I see IJN DDs do that every now and then, though, which brings down their average damage.

If the amount of Hatsu players was as low as the amount of Kiev players, you could probably expect another 4 or 5K average damage for the Hatsu.

 

[Goktsu]

Ridiculous gap in class between USN and IJN DD's from tier 7 onwards, USN DD's are far superior, ok Shima has loads of torps, but over 2 minute reloads is mad, cannot compete with the USN gunships

 

Indeed a lot of people have dropped shimi, the ship is just too damn inferior. I regret getting this ship , i mean look at stats for gen pop  its the dd with the less wins in team games , go figures.