This has to stop.

[vaskemaskina]

I understand every class has to be balanced. I understand they all have their advantages and disadvantages. This is not a thread about how good you are or how bad you are or how bad you think I might be. 

The outcome of every ranked battle, and there might SOME exceptions, will be decided by which team has more or better destroyers.

- This has NO historical basis

- Unrealistic

- Gives huge advantages to the teams that MM favored with an extra and/or higher tier destroyer.

 

I'll not go into the ideas how to fix it like cap the nr of destroyers per game, nerf torps, nerf their hp, or any of that sort. It's just simply insane that at higher tiers(6+) destroyers are quasi-gods of the game.

I have yet to see a match where battleships or cruisers are the driving force . While might happen every once in a while that an exceptional player does change the outcome, the tendency is that those little torpedo boats have the biggest influence on the outcome .

 
My point is not to hurt the feelings of DD players or to start a flame war, just a plea to WG to analyze this situation and make the best out of it.

 

 

[Altharius]

Agreed.

[Nechrom]

The game isn't balanced around ranked.

[vaskemaskina]

If the game isn't balanced about ranked, then they'd need to balance ranked games in a way that one class should not have the ability to determine the outcome of the majority of the games. Otherwise they could rename Ranked Game to  "Flags for destroyers". Lest they do it.

[AgarwaenME]

So you want something with historical basis that is realistic.

 

Fine, let CVs launch all their planes at once, and send all of them in attacks. Let your BB handle 100 planes coming down on you all at once.

 

Or lets nerf BBs in ranked so hard that the most important feature of any ship not a BB is "can you defeat BBs". For example, by giving them historical and realistic hit rates and reducing them to their historical use of mostly being there to give even more AAA cover to CVs.

 

Oh wait, would that make ranked fun?

 

Of course, your complaint isn't that DDs are "gods", is that you're not automaticly one just by sitting in a BB.

[Mayv]

- This has NO historical basis

- Unrealistic

 

 

Let's make the game historical and realistic. 

 

Now everyones role is CV defense.

[Nechrom]

If the game isn't balanced about ranked, then they'd need to balance ranked games in a way that one class should not have the ability to determine the outcome of the majority of the games. Otherwise they could rename Ranked Game to  "Flags for destroyers". Lest they do it.

 

One class is always going the be the "game-maker". Even the most successful team games with a ranked ladder have classes or roles that are more important for the win than the others.

 

Don't mistake this as me saying that ranked is fine, I'm just pointing out that having one class be the "carry" is not in and of itself wrong.

[Echelon2k]

The issue stems from the absences of CVs. They were the biggest threat to DD players as they were the ones detecting them far away as well as limiting their ability to roam freely. I think if CVs become more interesting to play again the issue might just fix itself.

 

[AgarwaenME]

The issue stems from the absences of CVs. They were the biggest threat to DD players as they were the ones detecting them far away as well as limiting their ability to roam freely. I think if CVs become more interesting to play again the issue might just fix itself.

 

 

And that's what we kept telling the same sort of people like the OP who kept asking for CVs to be nerfed into oblivion and made irrelevant for ranked. But instead of taking that to heart, they just want to turn the nerf-threadmill around a bit more.

[vaskemaskina]

 And that's what we kept telling the same sort of people like the OP who kept asking for CVs to be nerfed into oblivion and made irrelevant for ranked. But instead of taking that to heart, they just want to turn the nerf-threadmill around a bit more. 

 

I've stated my observances and opinion, and you just turn it around to make it look like i'm asking for a nerf, why? I never asked nor mentioned a WORD about CV's. NOR am i saying nerf DD's. You have completely failed to understand what my point was, please, take a read again.

[waxx25]

the main role the Iowa class BB played in WWII was AA defense, the main role any ship in the USN played was AA defense. Except for the Kongo which was torped by an American submarine EVERY single IJN ship in this game (except the Myoko class) was killed by American aircraft......yes lets make this game more realistic.....ship gets spotted by a scout plane and then gets owned by a wave of over 100 American planes. OP learn your history before whining.

[Nechrom]

the main role the Iowa class BB played in WWII was AA defense, the main role any ship in the USN played was AA defense. Except for the Kongo which was torped by an American submarine EVERY single IJN ship in this game (except the Myoko class) was killed by American aircraft......yes lets make this game more realistic.....ship gets spotted by a scout plane and then gets owned by a wave of over 100 American planes. OP learn your history before whining.

 

The wrongness...

Fuso was torpedoed by a destroyer.

Atago was torpedoed by a submarine.

Mogami was scuttled by an IJN destoyer.

 

That's only counting the specific name ships I picked off the top of my head.

[AgarwaenME]

 

I've stated my observances and opinion, and you just turn it around to make it look like i'm asking for a nerf, why? I never asked nor mentioned a WORD about CV's. NOR am i saying nerf DD's. You have completely failed to understand what my point was, please, take a read again.

 

No, you're just stating how they dominate ranked games and that things should be done to change that. But you're not asking for anything to be done, ye.. sure. No demands for nerfs at all...

 

 Your attempt to hide your desires and intentions is pretty poor. And it's absurdly dishonest of you to claim otherwise.

 

Also you seem to have a confused idea that using "realism" and "history" haven't been spewed over and over as excuses to demand nerfs of buffs for a year now. But sadly for you, that weak (and as in this case, often entirely put on its head where you ignore the heavy implications it would have for your prefered ships) we can call an "argument", just to be nice to you, is very much the same things we've seen thrown around since early beta.

 

And this is very much related to CVs, since they are the best counter to the stealthier DD types, but the SAME STUPID "arguments" you're using here were part of the ones used to get them nerfed. So both is it relevant in pointing out the unforseen consequences of such nerf-cries, but it's also relevant because the lack of them is the only thing making them as powerful as they are currently. And even then, most damage BBs receive is STILL FROM OTHER BBs. So if the damage they do is OP, when it comes from ships that are supposed to counter them, then what the hell is BB damage?

[159Hunter]

And yet OP has a point: in ranked battles having an extra ( capable ) DD over your opponents is a huge bonus. Because a good ( IJN ) DD will NEVER be spotted by non DD ( with exception of CV, but people don't play those so ... ). So why not mirror the amount of DD in ranked? Tier 6 and 7 are pretty matched anyways, so no need to exactly match the tiers, but just match their amount.

[XTHD]

The game isn't balanced around ranked.

 

This isn't the case only in ranked though, high tier random battles are mostly decided by destroyers. If the game mode is 3/4-point domination, by just looking at the destroyer part of team composition, I can predict with good certainty which team will win. So good in fact that if warships would have a betting service, I'd probably be a millionaire by now.

[Babykim]

 

Forget Ranked Battles. There is so much wrong about their concept that I don't even want to start on it.

 

Secondly, yes having significantly fewer destroyers is a pain, especially with four capping circles. In this case a team must come to its wits are produce a minimal amount of sensible teamplay, i.e.

 

1. carriers perma-scout,

2. cruisers hunt them down,

3. battleships don't sail on rails and load HE

 

Believe me, we killed scores over scores of destroyers, including HE one-shots by a battleship.

 

[red_eye1980]

Yes IJN dds get spotted by other dds. From the time that you spot the US/Russian DD till your detected indicator lights up, There's not enough time to stop and turn away unless the enemy is coming from behind you. What happens after can be different scenarios though:

a) On a one or one you stay and fight, and chances are you will lose unless you get lucky with torps.

b) You pop smoke and disappear alive giving up the area completely and maybe losing a strategical advantage (put tail between legs and run)

c) If or maybe IF your team's cruisers are nearby and are numerically higher/more skilled than the oppositions, and decide to support you and not shoot at the BBs, you win the engagement.

 

Also, I don't know about the highest tiers (everyone moans about shimas), but tier 6 and 7 IJN DDs are not that effective compared to say tier 5 and 4 due to the long reload times and the fact that players get clued in and decide not to sail straight anymore. So I think people saying they are OP have clearly not played them.

 

It's true that all DDs, not just IJN, have it slightly easier with less ships around, especially with no CV around. But as a whole, the team that supports their DDs, especially at the start of the battle, and play more coordinated in general has more chances of winning the game. More so in ranked because of the smaller teams.

 

And if you check my stats and say: ''You only play IJN out of the DDs'', you can also check Jolly_Roger80.

[Kenjiro_]

Fine, let CVs launch all their planes at once, and send all of them in attacks. Let your BB handle 100 planes coming down on you all at once.

I remembered the sad fate of poor Yamato who had to deal with 400 planes...

[mtm78]

 

The wrongness...

Fuso was torpedoed by a destroyer.

Atago was torpedoed by a submarine.

Mogami was scuttled by an IJN destoyer.

 

That's only counting the specific name ships I picked off the top of my head.

 

Ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that battleships were obsolete for naval engagements halfway through WWII, and carrier task force's became the main attack force. Even the first attack on USN assets by IJN was done through a carrier task force. 

 

How many BB on BB engagements happened during WWII? IJN's doctrine which resolved on BB's failed hard because of the rise in effectiveness of carrier task forces, while there been a lot of surface vessel vs surface vessel engagements the main threat was always the carriers. 

[ghostbuster_]

So you want something with historical basis that is realistic.

 

Fine, let CVs launch all their planes at once, and send all of them in attacks. Let your BB handle 100 planes coming down on you all at once.

 

Or lets nerf BBs in ranked so hard that the most important feature of any ship not a BB is "can you defeat BBs". For example, by giving them historical and realistic hit rates and reducing them to their historical use of mostly being there to give even more AAA cover to CVs.

 

Oh wait, would that make ranked fun?

 

Of course, your complaint isn't that DDs are "gods", is that you're not automaticly one just by sitting in a BB.

This is a game no need to be so realistic otherwise there would be no point playing any ship exept CVs.

I play BB, CA and DD. i feel myself safe and comfortable while im driving my DD if there is no CV. Its is so f*cking easy to drive those little bast*rds. Stay out of detection range, spot the enemy team for your mates, go cap and try to hit enemy with torps. Noone shoots at you. If you suddenly get detected then pop smoke. 

CAs have the most intense gameplay. You should always be aware og BBs and after that [edited]buff they also need to be aware of torpedos from DDs. 

And BBs... I played enough battles with bbs and i think i know how to play them. Everyone is crying about how OP BBs are(!)  CA captains, you say "oh they can kill us with a single salvo or take 50% of out hp" did you know how many times you get 1k damage with BBs on CA if the Cruiser plays decent?  oh and they are big fat and if enemy team focuses on you, that means certain death for you. you cant just run away like you do it with your DD. so BBSs have also their disadvantages. CAs have even more but DDs... just really easy to play

The fact is the team wins with better or more DDs. That means DDs dominate the sea right now. dont get me wrong i dont want any nerf to DDs but stop insulting people when they claimed that DDs are the "gods of seas".

[Ton0kki]

 

And that's what we kept telling the same sort of people like the OP who kept asking for CVs to be nerfed into oblivion and made irrelevant for ranked.

 

Wait what? If you are good with CVs they are probably the best class for ranked as they have most carry potential. It's hard to find games though.

 This season, 29 battles with Shokaku and 25 victories. Anyway, sold it since I got enough exp for Taiho and wait times were ridiculous. 

 

[AgarwaenME]

This is a game no need to be so realistic otherwise there would be no point playing any ship exept CVs.

+ more opinion about which classes are easy or hard and who carry ranked battles with no actual evidence behind it

 

And that's the point. People cherry pick things to demand should be realistic in game just to have an excuse to cry for nerfs of buffs while ignoring other issues that aren't realistic that would hurt them. So what's your point in arguing against me?

 

P.S Learn what the word "insult" means. Here's a tip, it does not mean pointing out your faulty argumentation, lies or biased opinions.

[ghostbuster_]

Oh thanks but i know what insulyting means. And sometimes you can insult people only with how you talk to them. you dont have to say specific words to insult someone.

 

I agreed with your idea about the reality of this game. But i also agree with his idea about amount of DDs. so i wanted to write this post but probably it would be better if i told you only about insulting people but the rest should be for public.

[Lieutenant_Hubert_Gruber]

When you see 6-8 destroyers in 9/10 ranked games, you should get some clue that something is wrong. 

[AgarwaenME]

Oh thanks but i know what insulyting means. And sometimes you can insult people only with how you talk to them. you dont have to say specific words to insult someone.

 

I agreed with your idea about the reality of this game. But i also agree with his idea about amount of DDs. so i wanted to write this post but probably it would be better if i told you only about insulting people but the rest should be for public.

 

Do you know what an actual insult is? Telling someone they're "insulting" people with no actual basis. The only insult here is you making such an accusation instead of addressing actual issues.

 

Now try to keep this on topic instead of needlessly going personal.