What's with all the [edited] these couple of days? (RANT)

[fallenmemories]

I'be been trying to get accustomed to the Mogami. and as you can tell by my win rate in it, it isn't going so well. My teammates would get slaughtered numerous times, or they would lemming to one side as the enemy team caps our base. At first I thought it would balance out, that I would get a half compotant team later on. But no, match after match, the behavior of my team mates  makes my fear for the future of the human race. It's impossible to carry in cruisers at high tier, 78000 damage games are no where near enough to carry the weight of these window lickers. So here I am, venting out my anger on the forums. Perhaps some of you might entertain me by sharing you frustration with the teams you've been having.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

You get good teams, and bad teams. You have to try and encourage them. But if they dont want to listen, so be it. Nothing you can do if they all lemming in one direction. It happens, you just have to do your best.

[Gugulugalaga]

Are you by any chance on a losing streak? I've been losing constantly since last patch. I suspect, that they try to balance the player winratio. There were days I had 10% winratio. I don't play that much anymore. No fun if your chances are so slim. I'm not good enough to carry. And even if I manage to carry, I lose anyway, as you said. Especially bad in my Nürnberg now.

[Fonfalks]

I have recently bought Shima. Things went REALLY well first few days - good teams, a lot of dmg and kills, but last 2 days its like MM has decided that i need to be put in place. 

I will not write long and angry post, all i will say that last 2 days teams have been INSANELY BAD for me about 70% of times. ONE EXAMPLE - i did 277000 damage and team still lost. WHAT CAN YOU DO MORE TO WIN???????????????? 

P.s. i am 100% convinced that MM decides if you win or lose at a rate of certainty of about 90%. 

[Mindfulcrane07]

I have recently bought Shima. Things went REALLY well first few days - good teams, a lot of dmg and kills, but last 2 days its like MM has decided that i need to be put in place. 

I will not write long and angry post, all i will say that last 2 days teams have been INSANELY BAD for me about 70% of times. ONE EXAMPLE - i did 277000 damage and team still lost. WHAT CAN YOU DO MORE TO WIN???????????????? 

P.s. i am 100% convinced that MM decides if you win or lose at a rate of certainty of about 90%. 

 

And i am 100% sure it does not.

its really just random luck basically, so if you keep losing it may be that you get very angry and thereby play worse, atleast that happends a lot for me, i can start the day with maybe an unlucky match then i get angry and i make bad decisions and thefore the games gets worse its just an evil circle 

best thing to do is just to relax maybe for a few hours, maybe for a few days.

Atleast that is what works for me

[mtm78]

 

And i am 100% sure it does not.

its really just random luck basically, so if you keep losing it may be that you get very angry and thereby play worse, atleast that happends a lot for me, i can start the day with maybe an unlucky match then i get angry and i make bad decisions and thefore the games gets worse its just an evil circle 

best thing to do is just to relax maybe for a few hours, maybe for a few days.

Atleast that is what works for me

 

Exactly, if  I see I lost my first 3 fights of a day it's usually best if I take a break or just forgo playing more that day at all, it's how our minds are wired I guess. 

 

Factually, it shouldn't influence anything, but because you already lost those battles you will play worse because most people will try 'forcing' a victory. I don't even have to lose, even if I win but when I feel I performed badly it influences how I play the next game, and if it keeps happening I start to 'loose my cool' and I will play badly.

[Ironvos]

It also depends a lot on your expectations, and the fact that a loss weighs heavier than a victory.

I sometimes feel like i'm having a shitty day because of a few stupid losses even though i'd still have over 50% winrate for the day.

[mtm78]

It also depends a lot on your expectations, and the fact that a loss weighs heavier than a victory.

I sometimes feel like i'm having a shitty day because of a few stupid losses even though i'd still have over 50% winrate for the day.

 

I had days with ~80% win rate and me feeling sour because those damn Myoko missions are going so slowly... 

 

People are wired to pay more attention to negative things by nature, it is beneficial for survival if you remember and think about the bad things ( as it prepares you for future encounters with said bad things ).

[Kurbain]

P.s. i am 100% convinced that MM decides if you win or lose at a rate of certainty of about 90%. 

 

Well then, thankfully WG decided that I should receive a high win rate.

Must be all those premium ship purchases. 

 

I can understand your frustration, though. I would be incredibly annoyed and felt cheated as well if I did 277000 damage and lost.

[Flustered_Ferret]

Have to say I've been shocked by some of the [edited] I've seen in lower-mid tier battles this week.

 

I currently play tier IV cruisers and am grinding through a couple of tier III battleships (the BBs mostly in co-op mode). While playing my Phoenix, Kuma and Karlsruhe in successive battles, I took my cruiser out to a flank, accompanied by another cruiser and destroyer. We spotted the enemy and began to engage them, then had to fall back, as it soon became clear about half the enemy team were headed our way.

 

In 2 battles we had 3 BBs, (Miyogis, Wyomings and in one case a Kongo). In those two battles the BBs simply camped at the start point and actively ran away once they saw the enemy ships headed their way. They made no effort whatsoever to help us out and simply hung us out to dry.

 

In the Karlsruhe battle, all but 3 of our team lemminged down one side of the map and were nowhere to be seen, while me and a team mate got obliterated, trying to defend our carriers.

 

The Phoenix and Kuma battles I was able to enjoy a little revenge. I simply ran off (not before dealing and taking some damage) and let the BBs get overrun, tossing a few choice insults their way. I was the last to die in my Phoenix, but simply ran my Kuma into an island and quit the battle before it finished, as I was so pissed off at the time.

 

In fact, every one of the 6 Random battles I attempted today was an overwhelming defeat, largely due to the total idiocy / cowardice of several players on the teams I was landed with.

 

if this is the way the game is headed I don't see me sticking with it much longer.

 

[mtm78]

98 battles is to low, give it some more time. Most people don't get the best results in the first games they play, try to find some people to division with as it both increases the fun while playing while also making it more likely you'll end up on the winning side more often.

 

Don't give up yet 

[Flustered_Ferret]

I dunno about that. Platooning in WoT usually made things 10 times worse (always bottom tier in crappy teams)!

 

Plus I doubt anyone would want to team up with a below-average player like me...

 

 

[mtm78]

In game there is a chat channel called 'Forumites' ( it's the one from SturmTiger304 iirc ), the password is 'play4fun'.

 

Most of us wouldn't have any issues with division with someone new who wants to improve his play, drop bye the channel some time!

 

edit:

 

if you have teamspeak installed, WoWs has a public server -> 92.223.3.90:9989

 

There are people there almost always and you're likely to find people to play with ( the English section is less populated pretty often, but he who doesn't try.... ).

[thepasty]

I think at the moment we're in an era where theres more sub average players than normal leading to a general unbalance, even when you get a win these days its very rarely due to good team work or the the like... just luck of the draw...

[mtm78]

I think at the moment we're in an era where theres more sub average players than normal leading to a general unbalance, even when you get a win these days its very rarely due to good team work or the the like... just luck of the draw...

 

This game is much more strategic than people assume, I can usually tell in 30 seconds which hole I will need to plug or which push I will have to front. 

 

Team work is rare because, honestly, people don't use chat enough ( or for the right reason ). Go watch some of Trigger_Happy_Dad's video's, you will see his win rate is not only because of his personal excellence in playing his ship, he also is very good at getting teams to work together. 

 

Once you can lead targets you're basically 'done' with the damage dealing part. But the other part: positioning ( broad statement ) and engagement angles ( tactical play ) is something you can practice in division by paying attention to your more experienced division member. 

 

 

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

The past couple of days were really, REALLY [edited]. Within 24 hours, I had 4 Kraken games - all lost. Quite a few games with 4 kills, 3 kills - lost. Games where I had the only darn 4 kills of my team, while 11 slackers did JACK (tier VII match). I had rounds with more exp as a loser than the top winning player, or almost as much base exp as the rest of my team combined. I can handle a bad game once in a while. But if 90% are this way....

To me, it seems games end up always in seal clubbing lately. One side annihilates the other with 4 lost ship tops.

 

I mean WTH does a man have to do to win in this game ???? It is a bit simplified, but imagine a 11 vs 7 game from the get-go, where the 11 players lose. Preposterous.

 

This is beyond fun for me atm.

 

P.S.: And don't get me started about the mm. It seemed better for like 2 weeks. But since that patch that broke the AP/armor mechanic, it has gotten worse every day. A Yamato is NOT the same as a Hindenburg. And 4 vs 1 dd on a 4 flag domination map, are you serious ???

 

P.P.S.: There seems to be at least 1 afk in every game these days.

[Drigtol]

You get good teams, and bad teams. You have to try and encourage them. But if they dont want to listen, so be it. Nothing you can do if they all lemming in one direction. It happens, you just have to do your best.

 

The only players I've ever witnessed doing what I've seen being done in these battles: hugging a corner of a map, being brain dead chimps, is a badly programmed Ai system ...

[Drigtol]

Have to say I've been shocked by some of the [edited] I've seen in lower-mid tier battles this week.

 

I currently play tier IV cruisers and am grinding through a couple of tier III battleships (the BBs mostly in co-op mode). While playing my Phoenix, Kuma and Karlsruhe in successive battles, I took my cruiser out to a flank, accompanied by another cruiser and destroyer. We spotted the enemy and began to engage them, then had to fall back, as it soon became clear about half the enemy team were headed our way.

 

In 2 battles we had 3 BBs, (Miyogis, Wyomings and in one case a Kongo). In those two battles the BBs simply camped at the start point and actively ran away once they saw the enemy ships headed their way. They made no effort whatsoever to help us out and simply hung us out to dry.

 

In the Karlsruhe battle, all but 3 of our team lemminged down one side of the map and were nowhere to be seen, while me and a team mate got obliterated, trying to defend our carriers.

 

The Phoenix and Kuma battles I was able to enjoy a little revenge. I simply ran off (not before dealing and taking some damage) and let the BBs get overrun, tossing a few choice insults their way. I was the last to die in my Phoenix, but simply ran my Kuma into an island and quit the battle before it finished, as I was so pissed off at the time.

 

In fact, every one of the 6 Random battles I attempted today was an overwhelming defeat, largely due to the total idiocy / cowardice of several players on the teams I was landed with.

 

if this is the way the game is headed I don't see me sticking with it much longer.

 

 

Co-Op battles, have better Ai ...

[Drigtol]

 

This game is much more strategic than people assume, I can usually tell in 30 seconds which hole I will need to plug or which push I will have to front.

 

Team work is rare because, honestly, people don't use chat enough ( or for the right reason ). Go watch some of Trigger_Happy_Dad's video's, you will see his win rate is not only because of his personal excellence in playing his ship, he also is very good at getting teams to work together.

 

Once you can lead targets you're basically 'done' with the damage dealing part. But the other part: positioning ( broad statement ) and engagement angles ( tactical play ) is something you can practice in division by paying attention to your more experienced division member.

 

 

 

I can beat that, 99.9 % of the time, I can tell, from the line up or even before, if the battle is lost or won ...

[gr0pah]

 

I can beat that, 99.9 % of the time, I can tell, from the line up or even before, if the battle is lost or won ...

 

Oh I'll take that wager for as much money as possible. I'd stake €10k in an instant that you can't even guess 9 out of 10 (and you are claiming you can tell 999 out of 1000).

[Tubit101]

 

And i am 100% sure it does not.

its really just random luck basically, so if you keep losing it may be that you get very angry and thereby play worse, atleast that happends a lot for me, i can start the day with maybe an unlucky match then i get angry and i make bad decisions and thefore the games gets worse its just an evil circle 

best thing to do is just to relax maybe for a few hours, maybe for a few days.

Atleast that is what works for me

 

I can say with 100% certainty that unless you're privy to WG's code, you should never ever say you're 100% sure about algorithms that are run server-side.

[Scawl_D_Balls]

Have to say I've been shocked by some of the [edited] I've seen in lower-mid tier battles this week.

 

You are not a very good player at the moment, due to inexperience. Yet the loss has nothing to do with you? 

It's everybody else on the team who is at fault? 

 

Did you do everything right, in every game you've played so far? 

[KnightObilic]

OP, Mogami, while a beast in pre 0.5.2.1 had been ninja nerfed, and also needs teamplay at least from your BBs, or DDs to perform well. You must never get focused, and you need a spotter to find you enemy DDs. Alone, you will rarely carry a game - mostly because even if you angle good for AP, they will wither you down by HE. You will also much frequently get the ridiculous hits, when you spot BB firing, turn 180 degrees, all but 1 of his shells will miss 70-90 meters behind you and then suddenly out of nowhere last 1 will citadel you.

 

So you need to support, but the suportee's need to have brain. 

  

[mtm78]

 

I can beat that, 99.9 % of the time, I can tell, from the line up or even before, if the battle is lost or won ...

 

Yes, that is why you have the most average win rate imaginable ( 50% ), because you're so good in predicting things.

[KnightObilic]

 

Yes, that is why you have the most average win rate imaginable ( 50% ), because you're so good in predicting things.

 

How can his predicting outcome of the match affect his winrate.

 

Plus do not be a WOT like stat wh.re - with 50% win rate he is a not spectacular player, but high enough so he's not bad