Ranked Frustrations

[ArcheonSRF]

So I consider myself an "ok" player.  In random, I win more than I lose and usually come in the top 3 people on my team.

 

Last season I hit rank 5 playing fairly casually and started this season at rank 15 as a result.  At rank 15 is where I seem destined to stay.

 

My win rate is currently running at about 20%.  The standard of play just seems so horrifically poor that I can't comprehend it and can't seem to carry hard enough to make up for the fact that people are just making T3 mistakes in T8 ships (yet never on the other team!?).

 

Add onto that the toxicity that seems to come with any competitive game mode and ranked has simply become a horrible experience.

 

Anyway rant over, if anyone has any suggestions more than happy to hear them.

 

 

[AwesomeChicken]

Yeah Ranked Battles are not enjoyable at the moment. To many bad players even on higher ranks and due to the smaller teams they have a greater impact to your teams performance. I really miss season 1 where somewhere above rank 10 the gameplay completly changed into "real teamplay" (whatever that is). 

 

The main problem of season 3 (and 2) is the fact that it is not skillbased at all. The whole idea of good players ranking up and playing against each other without the normal random battle n00bs is lost now. 

[BadGene616]

It's always bad in the ranks which are irrevocable. I've not played much this season due to work and other pressures but ranked by and large are a good thing. 

The difference is that losses are so much more painful due to the feeling if having actually lost something beyond just the battle.

[OVanBruce]

Today I saw a Benson and Tashkent losing against 2 Amagis while my team held both caps. Yeah, both DDs died from the shells of the BBs.

 

 But I can't really complain since I'm still crawling my way up.

 

[ArcheonSRF]

Persistence is the key...that is what I keep telling myself.

[Admiral_noodle]

I wish I had the patience to grind it to even rank 15. Got to 19, got valuable flags, kinda gave up after that (again).

 

 

[TakeMeRiver]

Best advice is to play a ship you have a lot of fun in so the sting of losing because of bad players is less painful 

[ArcheonSRF]

Best advice is to play a ship you have a lot of fun in so the sting of losing because of bad players is less painful 

 

Kind of what I am doing, taking the chance to grind up my Amagi.

[Admiral_noodle]

To be honest playing New Mexico is always fun and if the game is going south you're likely to get higher caliber and confederate if you're decent enough. So that's not bad

 

[AwesomeChicken]

 

Posted this a while ago in another thread. Some ideas how to improve ranked battles.

 

Tiers and Matchmaking

• Tier Restriction: 6+7 -Mid Tier battles are overall better balanced and more enjoyable than high tier games, but still high enough to sort the "beginners" out. The tier 7 BBs are weaker as well, compared to their tier 8 counterparts, so the BBs are less dominant as they are now (just take a look at the Ranked Battles Queue if you don´t believe it and compare it to the Random Battles Queue)

• No Divisions allowed -It would be pretty unfair for no Division players

• Max. 1 Carrier
• Max. 2 Battleships
• Max. 4 Cruisers
• Max. 3 Destroyers
• Overall more balanced teams in terms of ship classes (Difference of max. 1 per ships class) -no 3 DDs vs 1 DD situations anymore

Ranks and Progression

• 25 Ranks

- 1 star for the first 5 ranks

- 2 stars for the next 5 ranks

- 3 stars up to rank 5

- 4 stars above rank 5

- 5 stars for the last rank

• No stars for ranking up -it just allowed bad players with bad winrates to rank up by statistically exceptions, called "luck"

• No irrevocable ranks anymore
• The winning team gets awarded with a star except

1. You quit the battle before your ship gets destroyed (already implemented)
2. You get reported as a bot by at least 3 players
3. You score less than 300 base xp

- To prevent afks, bots or just crappy players from progressing

• The loosing team looses a star except

1. You score more than 1000 base xp
2. Your base xp is higher than the average base xp of the winning team

-In this cases you at least don´t loose a star (to prevent frustration when you´re doing exceptional well, but the Matchmaker decides to put you into incapable teams over and over again)

The Rewards

• More Rewards like credits and premium consumables scattered over the ranks -no ranks without any rewards anymore, smaller sums of credits and other stuff even on lower ranks

• Introduce Missions for Ranked, like "Reach Rank 10" for a port slot and similiar stuff -practically not different from the acutal rewards for ranking up, but to encourage players for playing ranked battles even when they don´t have a chance to reach rank 1

• Big missions like the ARP Blue Stell Missions should be also available in ranked battles
• Special unique Flag for Rank 1 -not that old Jolly Roger for all seasons but a new flag for every season, there should be enough different pirate flags and players could have a collection of them

• Special Premium Ships for Rank 1 that will be announced at the start of the season -it does´nt have to be a completly new ship, just a slightly modified version of a already existing one with a unique camouflage (a black Cleveland with white skulls on it would look pretty awesome though)(and if you run out of ideas just launch a contest where everybody paints his favourite ship, that should be sufficient for the next 5 years of ranked and some spare for premium camouflages)

 

 

[_interceptor_80]

Just to illustrate how painfull is my current rank 10

When I play ranked with CV's lost 6/8 battles for now

Win is only when both CV's are playing badly 

Lost some close battles 3-4 per day (in last 5 sec. enemy gets more cap points and win,funny...)

Im far from good player but who play ranked is out of mind

If I call team to help me somewhere all ships just turning away
In domination mode with 3 caps all go together on A and camp (they are so smart and manage to win holding just one cap point)

When I look around im alone on C

Team like this never win

Sometimes I have a feeling to my play is there only to push other players to progress when we win

My win rate is more or less 50% and rank 1up /1 down and so on

Im close to quit this mode

I remember one Kutuzov player from my team when I was rank 12...

This guy play ''red line'' style doing nothing for the team

When team secure win he come closer to shoot enemy Amagi He driving perfectly broadside to Amagi

When I saw post battle stats last place - Kutuzov

Then I check his stats:

1.1k battles 40% win rate and 9k avrg. dmg LoL

Then he hold Rank 15 ...

 

 

 

 

   

 

[ArcheonSRF]

w00t made it to rank 14...oh wait now im back at the start of rank 15...

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Made it to Rank 11.3 after spending days on Rank 12 and was happy: Rank 10 is near.

In the last two days i dropped back to Rank 12...i can't believe this.

 

[thepasty]

I made it to 13... too scared to play ranked now as I know I'll have like 10 losses in a row!

[ArcheonSRF]

I made it to 13... too scared to play ranked now as I know I'll have like 10 losses in a row!

 

Just given up on a 7 loss streak.  Last game their team was 6BB and 1 CV...we had 5 BB, a DD and a CV and the DD managed to do absolutely nothing.

[rafparis]

I think the problem is playerbase. At the begining, first week, i have like 70% winrate, climbed to rank 12, players were very good (many season 2 rank 1s) and the matches were intense, fun and with even skills on both sides, or rolfl stomp of the other team.

Haven't played for some days, now i return: All the good players have reached rank 5, there is a new blob of "grinders" (bad players eventually making it to rank 12, which is irrevocable), playing poorly but getting stars, so they progress.

My winrate have stumbled to 55%, and my highest rank is 10, where i seem to be stuck at for the moment (55% winrate, but a lot of w/l/w/l... series)

Players in general don't do objectives, don't cap, separate from the team and go chase ships ect... So many times you have to solo win the match, which can be extremely difficult. This is why i even play CV in ranked, even if i'm not that great CV player, but you can control more things.

Sometimes you stumble upon good teams, but it is much rarer.

Ah, and never play ranked if you are tired, you must be at top peak mentally to win

 

maybye with team ranked it will be better

[bug]

I think you need to play battleship (or benson) to climb in ranked (if you are good), else you are dependent on team too much. I play only cruiser in ranked, and noticed a few of the same players in bb on my losing teams several times, they were always playing bad. I checked them up, and they had very bad stats. One even had 38% winrate after 2000 games. Another player had 80 games and played Tirpitz. I didnt know they could play ranked so early. Destroyers are important, of course, but I found having good battleships are crusial. A tier 7 bb easy help team much better than a bad tier 8. If team need to carry two or more bad players in battleships its hopeless.

So please, if you are good - play bb or dd, if you are not, play cruiser. I do.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Had lots of frustrations untill i threw the Tashkent out the window. Then made steady progress all the way to  rank 8*** and was really happy.

Now dropped back to rank 9 (no stars) and frustrated.

Had a couple bad games that were clearly my own fault, I have the feeling most teams are still pretty uncoordinated at this rank.

[Admiral_noodle]

I agree with the player base argument...but that works both ways. The enemy team will also have more potatoes and you'll be relatively "better" than the rest of the players if you're any good and have just started playing ranked.

 

So if you keep playing you'll rank up.

 

However it's knowing that there will be loss streaks and not having time to play ranked properly which is most frustrating. I don't have time for 100 games in a ranked season.

 

Oh well

[yaniv681]

I admit, it is not easy at some point, but the true is that some time you get good player and some time noob, you cant get noob all the time.

if you are not advancing in lets say 20 games (to avoid statistical anomaly) it means this is your level and you are not playing good enough (with this ship or in general) to carry the team and yourself forward.

Also, i think ranked battle require some adjustment to the game stile then what you usually play in random, it is just different play.

it hurts, but this is the situation.

 

[thepasty]

I dont thinks that true, in a BB or DD you can change a battles outcome but in a CA (like me) its much much harder. CA is more of a general support vessel these days....sadly

[Kenliero]

The main problem is irrevocable ranks. All really bad players get stuck in that level and gameplay is just nightmare.

 

They should change only 2 things:

 

FIXED IT:

1: Remove irrevocable ranks

2: Starting rank should be at least 5 ranks higher than lowest rank, so that the worst players won't get stuck in the start with bad players, so that worst players are not all gathered in starting rank, but worst players actually sink below starting position, so that new player has healthy start.

 

 

[yaniv681]

The main problem is irrevocable ranks. All really bad players get stuck in that level and gameplay is just nightmare.

 

They should change only 2 things:

 

1: Remove irrevocable ranks

2: Starting rank should be at least 5 ranks higher than lowest rank, so that the worst players won't get stuck in the start with bad players, but actually sink below it, so that new player has healthy start.

 

Hi

i am not sure what is worse, bad player or worst  players

but seriously, if you are good for the level you are at, then you will carry the team, that does not mean, win evey game, you will get noob team sometimes.

you wont win 100% or 90%, but if you win 60% or even 55% you will advance.

if you don't, then you don't, if your team have bad players then you should be better and eventually advance.

i started at 18 and advanced to 9.

it is hard, i have 56 or 57 percent, this means i win slightly more then i lose.

this is OK, don't expect to win above 60% as you are not superman.

 

[Hexazar]

I'm close to giving up ranked myself, I'm "average Joe" not good or bad but in between. But the stupidity you see in ranked beats random 10 times, 

[creamgravy]

I think the problem is playerbase. At the begining, first week, i have like 70% winrate, climbed to rank 12, players were very good (many season 2 rank 1s) and the matches were intense, fun and with even skills on both sides, or rolfl stomp of the other team.

Haven't played for some days, now i return: All the good players have reached rank 5, there is a new blob of "grinders" (bad players eventually making it to rank 12, which is irrevocable), playing poorly but getting stars, so they progress.

My winrate have stumbled to 55%, and my highest rank is 10, where i seem to be stuck at for the moment (55% winrate, but a lot of w/l/w/l... series)

Players in general don't do objectives, don't cap, separate from the team and go chase ships ect... So many times you have to solo win the match, which can be extremely difficult. This is why i even play CV in ranked, even if i'm not that great CV player, but you can control more things.

 

 

Rank 9 and frustrated

Had a couple bad games that were clearly my own fault, I have the feeling most teams are still pretty uncoordinated at this rank.

 

This is my experience. The first few days was fun but a high concentration of good players move on quickly, those that don't play as many games get left behind.

 

On Shatter it's almost impossible to carry a bad team with 3 cap points, games become too frustrating.