hakabe Players 33 posts 6,078 battles Report post #1 Posted January 16, 2016 Hello, I'd like to raise a question, that why is the matchmaking throwing Tier 8 carriers to a tier 10 battle? Seriously put, you can't even fly your full squadron against tier X carrier without having 80% of them wiped before delivering the payload. This has been ongoing for over a three weeks now. I see no announcements about changes in matchmaking (or maybe haven't dig enough).My guess is, that WG is facing issues having too few tier X players and they're trying to compensate throwing them something instead fixing the real issue - money making. [x] Insert card and purchase coins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Talladega_Night Beta Tester, Players 497 posts 5,412 battles Report post #2 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) every ship besides TI and II have two teir spreads. some times your top teir some times mid and some times bottom teir. just gotta go with it. *fail platoons, mm goes by the higer teir in the platoon to figure out where to put them. Edited January 16, 2016 by Flashy_NLR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Crysantos WG Staff 3,754 posts 17,659 battles Report post #3 Posted January 16, 2016 Hello, I'd like to raise a question, that why is the matchmaking throwing Tier 8 carriers to a tier 10 battle? Seriously put, you can't even fly your full squadron against tier X carrier without having 80% of them wiped before delivering the payload. This has been ongoing for over a three weeks now. I see no announcements about changes in matchmaking (or maybe haven't dig enough). My guess is, that WG is facing issues having too few tier X players and they're trying to compensate throwing them something instead fixing the real issue - money making. [x] Insert card and purchase coins. I disagree, but I think in general we would be better off with 1 CV per team, this would mean more games with carriers and less mixed CV fights. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #4 Posted January 16, 2016 Hello, I'd like to raise a question, that why is the matchmaking throwing Tier 8 carriers to a tier 10 battle? Seriously put, you can't even fly your full squadron against tier X carrier without having 80% of them wiped before delivering the payload. This has been ongoing for over a three weeks now. I see no announcements about changes in matchmaking (or maybe haven't dig enough). My guess is, that WG is facing issues having too few tier X players and they're trying to compensate throwing them something instead fixing the real issue - money making. [x] Insert card and purchase coins. Enemy lexi has 2 kills, I don't see him complaining? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #5 Posted January 16, 2016 Also, Lexi can have pretty much as good AA as the 9-10... so your planes are wiped anyway, if Lexi is AA specced... in Tier 8... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rafparis Beta Tester 872 posts 4,381 battles Report post #6 Posted January 16, 2016 you see many matches with no CV, then boom! 2 CVs in a match? Why the MM is not spreading the ships more so there is 1 CV vs 1 CV? I think with 2 CV per side, the games are less interesting, for the CV player and for the other classes. Especially at higher tiers, facing 2 Midways is a nightmare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakabe Players 33 posts 6,078 battles Report post #7 Posted January 16, 2016 Enemy lexi has 2 kills, I don't see him complaining? Lexi's airplanes are superior against Shokaku's fighters, but vs tier X there's nothing you can do except wish for one plane to drop - or run. The map was Two Brothers and I had 3 New Orleans doing AA next to me. Didn't help ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakabe Players 33 posts 6,078 battles Report post #8 Posted January 16, 2016 every ship besides TI and II have two teir spreads. some times your top teir some times mid and some times bottom teir. just gotta go with it. *fail platoons, mm goes by the higer teir in the platoon to figure out where to put them. You shouldn't see two tiers higher CV's in the battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #9 Posted January 16, 2016 Lexi's airplanes are superior against Shokaku's fighters, but vs tier X there's nothing you can do except wish for one plane to drop - or run. The map was Two Brothers and I had 3 New Orleans doing AA next to me. Didn't help ;) Shouldn't you complain about per tier balance between nations then instead of MM imbalance? If Lexi is capable of having a decent match being bottom tier.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meneleus Players 596 posts 7,522 battles Report post #10 Posted January 16, 2016 Hello, I'd like to raise a question, that why is the matchmaking throwing Tier 8 carriers to a tier 10 battle? Seriously put, you can't even fly your full squadron against tier X carrier without having 80% of them wiped before delivering the payload. This has been ongoing for over a three weeks now. I see no announcements about changes in matchmaking (or maybe haven't dig enough). My guess is, that WG is facing issues having too few tier X players and they're trying to compensate throwing them something instead fixing the real issue - money making. [x] Insert card and purchase coins. The MM does that because your T8 carrier is eligable for T8-10 matches. The mirror MM carriers have guarantees there will be no more than two carriers per side and you will always face a carrier of equal tier. Seeing the team lists this is exactly what has happened. It may happen more frequently because, on the whole, there seem to be more people playing carriers these days. Even so it will always follow the MM formula for carriers. In the end the problem is not unique to carriers. On the contrary, I suspect because of the apparent increase in carrier players it is only presently becoming an issue. All the other ship types have had this problem as long as the game is old when facing ships of their type two tiers higher. Cheers, M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #11 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) It's been mentioned above, but I really want to reinforce this point: why are CVs paired up so often? Taking a wild guess I'd say around 40% of all my CV games are 2vs2 CV. I find these games much less enjoyable then when it's only 1 CV on other team. It's also weird because: 1) why concentrate CVs to one game, instead of spreading them out to more games? 2) the meta changes, and not for the better IMHO Edited January 16, 2016 by gr0pah 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red_eye1980 Players 387 posts 3,102 battles Report post #12 Posted January 16, 2016 Random question: if two CVs of the same tier go as a division, then they are guaranteed that both the enemy CVs will be the same tier also....right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #13 Posted January 16, 2016 Do not target the Carriers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #14 Posted January 16, 2016 Random question: if two CVs of the same tier go as a division, then they are guaranteed that both the enemy CVs will be the same tier also....right? You can't play in division with 2 carriers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #15 Posted January 16, 2016 You shouldn't see two tiers higher CV's in the battle. Actually you should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocknrobot1 Beta Tester 68 posts 1,682 battles Report post #16 Posted January 16, 2016 Divisions are still broken. While things might still work out when using other ship classes, it will be a pain for the lower tier CV captain involved. Don't team up with other ship in division when you're CV. Apart from that, mm works quite nice in the meanwhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #17 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Divisions are still broken. While things might still work out when using other ship classes, it will be a pain for the lower tier CV captain involved. Don't team up with other ship in division when you're CV. Apart from that, mm works quite nice in the meanwhile. Sure you can and should team up with other ship in division with a carrier, why not? And if you mean 2 CV divisions.... you can't even do that.... edit: point in case is OP, enemy 'low tier carrier' has two kills and obviously has had influence on the match. What more do you want? To always be top tier? Edited January 16, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakabe Players 33 posts 6,078 battles Report post #18 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Actually you should. Since when and why? There's no official report about mm been changed. I've played since beta, but only started encountering tier X's since one month ago. Sure you can and should team up with other ship in division with a carrier, why not? And if you mean 2 CV divisions.... you can't even do that.... edit: point in case is OP, enemy 'low tier carrier' has two kills and obviously has had influence on the match. What more do you want? To always be top tier? No. You've completely missed out the point. If there's a tier X carrier, why does it mixes up Tier VIII carriers in it? I never see tier VI carriers. And furthermore, you can't expect to dodge or run away from tier X's fighters - they will catch you and obliterate your entire squadron with just two fighters. You can't simply raise any big issue another class facing two tier higher vessel - doesn't make that huge difference than in CVs fighters and their AA. Edited January 16, 2016 by hakabe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #19 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Since when and why? There's no official report about mm been changed. I've played since beta, but only started encountering tier X's since one month ago. No. You've completely missed out the point. If there's a tier X carrier, why does it mixes up Tier VIII carriers in it? I never see tier VI carriers. And furthermore, you can't expect to dodge or run away from tier X's fighters - they will catch you and obliterate your entire squadron with just two fighters. You can't simply raise any big issue another class facing two tier higher vessel - doesn't make that huge difference than in CVs fighters and their AA. There ALWAYS been two tier spread. And look at the pic in OP, enemy Lexi had an impact on the game with two kills. I don't see any issue really, at least not evident from the image or post content other than the comment about Lexi being more useful in higher tier match then Shokaku ( your comment ). CV's do have the highest increase in fighter durability/speed so yes the scaling is harsh. But again, there always been two tier spread, so your OP is very wrong as the MM spread is not problematic ( as you said just now, the scaling between tiers is... and as you claimed before, with the difference between Lexi and Shoka ). I don't think I'm missing the point; I think you been pointing out a> something which isn't the point ( MM spread ) and only now you've pointed to the real problems which is scaling between tiers and the difference between nations. Because, again, Lexi has made an impact in that game which proofs the MM spread isn't the issue? Edited January 16, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #20 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) I agree that pairing with two CV-tier diff sounds very painful. I've never been paired with CVs 2 tiers above me, and I'm very glad for it, seeing as 1 tier diff is quite enough. And as was said in another thread; why should MM even attempt to do this? Wouldn't it make much more sense to just put the T8 CVs in another game..? Edited January 16, 2016 by gr0pah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #21 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Your personal experience doesn't change the fact that MM always been 2 tier up and down. Edit: Just as the 'fact' that that would be enough is just your personal preference. Edited January 16, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #22 Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Your personal experience doesn't change the fact that MM always been 2 tier up and down. Edit: Just as the 'fact' that that would be enough is just your personal preference. Who are you replying to? Because it really can't be to what I wrote. Edited January 17, 2016 by gr0pah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #23 Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Who are you replying to? Because it really can't be to what I wrote. You can make edits after my reply, doesn't change what you said edit: just for clarity: you originally just said you never had more than +-1 MM with CV's and that that was enough. Ow and to the other part of your edit: Why wouldn' t MM put you in a +-2 spread match, just like all the other ships with +-2 MM? I might be able to think of a reason but I want to hear your argumentation please. Edited January 17, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #24 Posted January 17, 2016 You can make edits after my reply, doesn't change what you said yeah, that is really annoying, when they change it and then they're are like "I never said anything like that"... it is just so... arrghh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #25 Posted January 17, 2016 yeah, that is really annoying, when they change it and then they're are like "I never said anything like that"... it is just so... arrghh... I should know better, it is why I usually always quote people even if it's the post above mine ( unless forumite, I have trust in most people who frequent here as not many would make edits and not come clean on them when asked/confronted ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
