Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #1 Posted January 16, 2016 I have played a good number of "Ranked Battles" now, and can from experience, say, that it is all a waste of time, unless your one of those players, that hangs back, leaving team mates to do most of the combat/kills or damage, that would result in easy kills for yourself, or open the way for you to capture a "Point" for little/no damage to your ship ... At the very minimum, when the "Battle" is lost, for you not to lose your virtual ship. What I am saying is: A good number who have obtained a star, do not deserve it ... Nearly all the ships I have lost, have been due, to team members not engaging in combat, instead, hanging back/running away, even when our team were winning? The last few "Ranked Battles" I played, proved it all to myself. So the Secret of success/Hint/Tip/Cheat in "Ranked Battles" is HIDE ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #2 Posted January 16, 2016 I have played a good number of "Ranked Battles" now, and can from experience, say, that it is all a waste of time, unless your one of those players, that hangs back, leaving team mates to do most of the combat/kills or damage, that would result in easy kills for yourself, or open the way for you to capture a "Point" for little/no damage to your ship ... At the very minimum, when the "Battle" is lost, for you not to lose your virtual ship. What I am saying is: A good number who have obtained a star, do not deserve it ... Nearly all the ships I have lost, have been due, to team members not engaging in combat, instead, hanging back/running away, even when our team were winning? The last few "Ranked Battles" I played, proved it all to myself. So the Secret of success/Hint/Tip/Cheat in "Ranked Battles" is HIDE ... You're contradicting yourself all over the place. You're saying it's not a waste of time if you hang back and leave team mates to do the combat. And that the secret to success is to hide. So which is it; do you win ranked battles by hiding and being useless, or don't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #3 Posted January 16, 2016 the secret is to have no friends 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #4 Posted January 16, 2016 As it was said before, the only constant in all of your ranked battles is you. So if it seems that your team always suck... it must be you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #5 Posted January 16, 2016 You're contradicting yourself all over the place. You're saying it's not a waste of time if you hang back and leave team mates to do the combat. And that the secret to success is to hide. So which is it; do you win ranked battles by hiding and being useless, or don't you? For myself it is a waste of time, as team mates tend in "Ranked Battles" to leave myself and sometimes another, to do the work, with the result, I lose my ships, credits (even with kills), and hard won stars, when a star IS finally obtained, it is not due to other team mates, but they still get one, which I feel is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #6 Posted January 16, 2016 As it was said before, the only constant in all of your ranked battles is you. So if it seems that your team always suck... it must be you. 170k in a Tirpitz done before the team died.....yes all me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #7 Posted January 16, 2016 As it was said before, the only constant in all of your ranked battles is you. So if it seems that your team always suck... it must be you. The old, and proven wrong answer ... When you have 3 team members at the back of the map, another suicidal one heading directly for a group of reds, while myself and another are trying to take a capture point-fighting for a point ... somehow I don't think it is Me, that's the problem. The amount of times I've read on chat "What the FK, are you sitting back there for?" -- "Engage you morons ..." -- "Drig, we should be sinking our own team for the good they are" As I keep saying, WHY play this game? if your not going to play this game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #8 Posted January 16, 2016 170k in a Tirpitz done before the team died.....yes all me I love killing/Sinking Tripitzssssssss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #9 Posted January 16, 2016 "The only winning move is not to play" Wargames (1983) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #10 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) "The only winning move is not to play" Wargames (1983) "But then you learn nothing"--Jolly Roger (2016) Edited January 16, 2016 by Drigtol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #11 Posted January 16, 2016 You Must admit though, season one and two wasn't bad ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #12 Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) You Must admit though, season one and two wasn't bad ... Yep, we had really good Captains then ... Even the Beta Testers, knew their stuff ... but now, they are like Yawn Edited January 16, 2016 by Drigtol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khazz_1 Players 50 posts 2,833 battles Report post #13 Posted January 16, 2016 Last season ranked battles were fun this season right off the bat i have to play a teir 7 or better bb. I cant seem to make it past lvl 15 no matter how many battle i fight in #done with ranked battles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #14 Posted January 18, 2016 Last season ranked battles were fun this season right off the bat i have to play a teir 7 or better bb. I cant seem to make it past lvl 15 no matter how many battle i fight in #done with ranked battles I know I'll get in trouble for this BUT ... it seems to me, we are not actually battling with real people, even brain dead chimps, wouldn't do what I've seen ... The only conclusion I can come to is, it is mostly Ai / Bots, in "Random" and "Ranked", which in turn could mean the outcomes of these battles are fixed. The "Matrix"-- Black cat scenario = SUDDEN *Lags, Sudden screen fast forwarding/jumping, when targeting, the Sudden invisibility of a Red Team ship, which has no cover/smoke to hide behind, which could be an indication of the game plan/direction changing as you go against what is expected. One shot killed I'm getting more regular now. The Co-Op battles are suggestive of this, just the Ais / Bots are not advertised. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TCIAL] Darkwater78 Players 47 posts 4,566 battles Report post #15 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) A matter of logic: if both parties spend their time with hanging around in the back and observing no one will win. If everyone would behave like you suggested to do then not even one team would win. You say that the secret of randed battles would be to be extremely passive - but you can conclude out ot this that the team that overcomes this passivity and coordinate themselves in a group to strike the enemy will win in the end. This will be even more valid as more people think like you do and encourage/spread this "Let the other's do the work because they must be all Wannabes who just want to steal my kill-mentality". Edited January 18, 2016 by Darkwater78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamikazesushi ∞ Players 299 posts 19,093 battles Report post #16 Posted January 18, 2016 The old, and proven wrong answer ... When you have 3 team members at the back of the map, another suicidal one heading directly for a group of reds, while myself and another are trying to take a capture point-fighting for a point ... somehow I don't think it is Me, that's the problem. The amount of times I've read on chat "What the FK, are you sitting back there for?" -- "Engage you morons ..." -- "Drig, we should be sinking our own team for the good they are" As I keep saying, WHY play this game? if your not going to play this game! He is right, Its you. I said the same thing in multiple posts when people cry that noob team drag them down. How is it possible that someone gets rank 1 every season and someone else remain on low rank? You really believe its luck? Ever heared about Dunning-Kruger effect? Google it and maybe you understand... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drigtol Players 248 posts 14,275 battles Report post #17 Posted January 18, 2016 A matter of logic: if both parties spend their time with hanging around in the back and observing no one will win. If everyone would behave like you suggested to do then not even one team would win. You say that the secret of randed battles would be to be extremely passive - but you can conclude out ot this that the team that overcomes this passivity and coordinate themselves in a group to strike the enemy will win in the end. This will be even more valid as more people think like you do and encourage/spread this "Let the other's do the work because they must be all Wannabes who just want to steal my kill-mentality". We seem to have a misunderstanding, the huge loses in ranked I've had, are due to others sitting back of the map, not giving support, or engaging in combat/providing cover. When there is a win, it is usually down to myself and one other, having to combat the whole red team, while capturing points. It is OK to say therefore it is my fault, that I do not destroy 5 - 6 of the red team, while capturing points, while washing cars, and working out the meaning of life + finding earth type planets, while coming up with the answer to cancer. But a DD has it's limits ... So will say it again, why should others obtain a star they do not deserve ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TCIAL] Darkwater78 Players 47 posts 4,566 battles Report post #18 Posted January 18, 2016 We seem to have a misunderstanding, the huge loses in ranked I've had, are due to others sitting back of the map, not giving support, or engaging in combat/providing cover. When there is a win, it is usually down to myself and one other, having to combat the whole red team, while capturing points. Well, then at least believe me that it won't be better in future if you also behave like them. And - as you may have realized out of your match experience - if both teams react passive maybe only one kill or one cap from your side can make the difference and cause the whole match to turn towards your team. Plus you possibly motivate other team members also to join in your efforts on the battlefield. No one expects you to win matches on your own. My view on this: even if the whole team of mine plays Minesweeper instead of engaging the enemy or have some points taken - every hit of mine counts, brings me XP and easens my mind, because in the end I know I did my best at least. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gr0pah Players 1,168 posts 9,822 battles Report post #19 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) We seem to have a misunderstanding, the huge loses in ranked I've had, are due to others sitting back of the map, not giving support, or engaging in combat/providing cover. When there is a win, it is usually down to myself and one other, having to combat the whole red team, while capturing points. It is OK to say therefore it is my fault, that I do not destroy 5 - 6 of the red team, while capturing points, while washing cars, and working out the meaning of life + finding earth type planets, while coming up with the answer to cancer. But a DD has it's limits ... So will say it again, why should others obtain a star they do not deserve ... So ONLY you consistently get the derp team? Well, if you are the statistical anomaly - the poor unlucky snowflake - then sure, I do pity you. (but you're not) EDIT: Ever heared about Dunning-Kruger effect? Google it and maybe you understand... ^this was good reading, and explains a lot of Ranked-whining. Edited January 18, 2016 by gr0pah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #20 Posted January 18, 2016 There aren't bots in ranked sadly. Very sadly. Just look up the players. They are real registered players. WG can't put in real players as bots. It wouldn't work (without some pointless and complicated code). AI simply doesn't behave as irrationally as some people in ranked And even if there were bots that wouldn't make the matches "fixed" either /thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] C4PT41N_0BV10US Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 4,583 posts 15,668 battles Report post #21 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Ranked 1 and 2 were decent? The lolness is strong with this one... Edited January 18, 2016 by Dropsiq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[O-P-C] KnightObilic Beta Tester 81 posts 3,266 battles Report post #22 Posted January 18, 2016 He is right, Its you. I said the same thing in multiple posts when people cry that noob team drag them down. How is it possible that someone gets rank 1 every season and someone else remain on low rank? You really believe its luck? Ever heared about Dunning-Kruger effect? Google it and maybe you understand... Fist thing first. Popular forum culture is that every apologist has a printout of the name Dunning-Kruger taped to his monitor so he can misuse it at every point in discussion while not having time to read how D-K was rubbish from the start and disproved several months after being published. This weekend I had ZERO games where my side had more DDs then the opposing one, and on Sunday 67% battles where enemy HAD 1 dd more. Not all of those were losses, but funny RNG/MM [edited]that I was appalled by on Saturday so I took upon myself to write down on paper during Sunday. After that being said, the majority of Rank 1 players got there in teams. A solo player just does not have enough carry potential/possibility when paired by bad team-mates in Ranked, and the multi capture point system requires to have at least 2 competent players in a team. Skill+RNG may allow sporadic wins even in that situation, but long term it will lead to what people describe. For specific reason weekend also scrapes the bottom of player barrel, and with payable Tirpizes, Atagos and Blyskas every moron can get into 15- rank fights. It has actually come to the situation that I can predict a game by seeing how many and what types DDs are in both teams. So yeah, while it is not true that WG targets Exactly specific players to keep down in ranks, the mechanics of Ranked are broken, and require luck + use of divisions. Solo players would face the dreaded "normal dispersion" of about 50% success rate, which is not good enough to advance in Ranks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] C4PT41N_0BV10US Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 4,583 posts 15,668 battles Report post #23 Posted January 18, 2016 You are aware that there is no divisions in ranked games right? So every player there is a "solo player"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scawl_D_Balls Players 241 posts 2,668 battles Report post #24 Posted January 18, 2016 I'm guessing you meant to post that from an Alt and got confused? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #25 Posted January 18, 2016 If you'd ask me. i think the RB's are extremely boring. I enjoyed the first and second season a lot. I didn't perform @ all in the higher tier in S2 (forgot what rank that was). I blamed it on my own incompetence. And I lacked the premium ships with that little extra nasty bites in them. So I quit not wanting to let my teammates suffer for that. I was very excited when S3 started: gained some more player exp, competence and the premiums as well. But still got hammered into the ground every time. Sure that's most likely still 80% my own lack of skill but all matches were the same. I usually drive BB's. All the DD's and CA's making their suicide run for the caps, sinking 1 by 1 after which it was my turn. IMO the teams over-prioritise capping. I think the main purpose is to make the red ships grey asap and capping is secondary in case one ship is hiding somewhere and the winning team don't want to wait 10 minutes before time runs out. And what did it for me is the vile malignancy on the chat! My god. It's just a game and not the end of the world should you lose a battle! So back to the randoms for me! I like that a lot better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
