Arpeggio of Blue Steel Mission 2 Unfair for Japanese CVs

[Hsaki]

Shooting down 150 planes in a low tier US CV would be easy with their superior fighters in both squadron numbers and fighter numbers in each squadron. Did they not consider how weak Japanese CV in lower tiers would be in doing this mission though? I can barely get any fighter kills in a zuiho even with dogfighting expert, and all the upgrades geared towards my fighters, with every single time I try to engage in bogue planes ending up either with my fighters decimated by Bogue fighters that comes in to assist (because it gets 2 squadrons), or with my planes trapped because of Bogue fighters. Isn't this mission a little too biased for the US line players...?

[IamTroublemaker]

What about us who do not have CVs at all?

[159Hunter]

Who says you need to do them in CV? Also, use strafing more.

[Mayv]

Think about the poor DD players who are lucky to shoot down a single plane.

[Hsaki]

Who says you need to do them in CV? Also, use strafing more.

 

I get around 2 kills each time I strafe, and then my fighter squadron simply gets eliminated right after, even when Bogue fighters are already engaged in another Zuiho fighter squadron. This happened twice +_+

Those who don't have CVs have it even more unfair. This mission just reeks of unfairness to players who have not got to high tier CVs in my opinion.

[Hsaki]

Think about the poor DD players who are lucky to shoot down a single plane.

 

Yeah, my friend is dealing with that problem. It's pretty ridiculous that they'd purposely make all players not playing US CVs have hard times getting mission 2 done.

[Hsaki]

What about us who do not have CVs at all?

 

I find that even more unfair as well, considering how I've only got my CV since I got bored with grinding my Kongo, Myoko, and Isokaze. Had I not been bored with aim and shoot, I'd be stuck without a CV too, so it was a close call in a sense.

[Lightbaron]

I don't think it's unfair just because it takes some more time to complete the mission without a Carrier. Going by that the 300 fires mission would be unfair for battleship players who (should) shoot almost exclusively with AP.

You can get a fair amount of planes down with mid- and high-tier Cruisers or higher tier BBs too. It's just that it might take 30 matches instead of 8 but either way the missions are running until end of February and not until the next weekend.

As for me I'll use my balanced Hiryuu again as I already did for the Christmas missions where I got the 100 plane kills in 3 or 4 matches.

 

[Hsaki]

I don't think it's unfair just because it takes some more time to complete the mission without a Carrier. Going by that the 300 fires mission would be unfair for battleship players who (should) shoot almost exclusively with AP.

You can get a fair amount of planes down with mid- and high-tier Cruisers or higher tier BBs too. It's just that it might take 30 matches instead of 8 but either way the missions are running until end of February and not until the next weekend.

As for me I'll use my balanced Hiryuu again as I already did for the Christmas missions where I got the 100 plane kills in 3 or 4 matches.

 

 

I see what you mean, though I guess our concepts of fairness differs. I've actually only started the first mission today, but only noticed this mission 2 issue when my DD friend brought it up. 

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

I did the mission stage in the Hiryu with the balanced setup, the Japanese carriers can absolutely do the mission, it's just that a lot of people are trying to do the mission and the Bogue has in my opinion by far the strongest fighter complement compared to it's counterpart.

 

The only thing I can suggest is either get to the tier six or hope that you can get strafes that run for a decent duration. If you can line up behind planes as they flee and strafe then even the Zuiho should be able to take out several planes.

[deathcaster]

You can get a fair amount of planes down with mid- and high-tier Cruisers or higher tier BBs too. 

 

Sure when you actually get matched against a carrier, which now a days seem more rarer than seeing a unicorn. At least that's how I experience it in tier 7/8.

 

150 planes really is a bit excessive, compared to that stage the first and third stages are complete jokes.

[ShockPirat]

Dude, sorry, but this is like saying the mission is unfair for tier 1 and 2 ships because (normally) they can't even meet any planes.

 

You don't have to complete it in a single battle. You don't have to complete it at a certain tier. Just pick a ship you own that is best suited for shooting down planes and have a go at it.

You don't have such a ship? Grind for it. You got more than enough time left.

 

Since you mentioned IJN CVs... Get to Ryujo. In its AS loadout it is almost equal to AS Independence, airpower wise (and is better vs ships).

[Hsaki]

Dude, sorry, but this is like saying the mission is unfair for tier 1 and 2 ships because (normally) they can't even meet any planes.

 

You don't have to complete it in a single battle. You don't have to complete it at a certain tier. Just pick a ship you own that is best suited for shooting down planes and have a go at it.

You don't have such a ship? Grind for it. You got more than enough time left.

 

Since you mentioned IJN CVs... Get to Ryujo. In its AS loadout it is almost equal to AS Independence, airpower wise (and is better vs ships).

 

I did the mission stage in the Hiryu with the balanced setup, the Japanese carriers can absolutely do the mission, it's just that a lot of people are trying to do the mission and the Bogue has in my opinion by far the strongest fighter complement compared to it's counterpart.

 

The only thing I can suggest is either get to the tier six or hope that you can get strafes that run for a decent duration. If you can line up behind planes as they flee and strafe then even the Zuiho should be able to take out several planes.

 

I'll take the advice and grind for the Ryujo, though I reckon that will take a while +_+

 

[Ishiro32]

 

 

I'll take the advice and grind for the Ryujo, though I reckon that will take a while +_+

 

 

Good luck, you really have a lot of time so don't stress over it. 

 

As for IJN CVs, I do all the missions in them. And setting 300 fires seems a bit masochistic with carriers, but... Hey, there is a lot of time so I will manage that sooner or later just by playing.

[Hsaki]

 

Good luck, you really have a lot of time so don't stress over it. 

 

As for IJN CVs, I do all the missions in them. And setting 300 fires seems a bit masochistic with carriers, but... Hey, there is a lot of time so I will manage that sooner or later just by playing.

(Y) Thanks dude You too

[Kurbain]

You could focus on the Myoko mission first. Killing 30 destroyers and setting 300 fires takes long enough that you will likely have your 150 plane kills by then even if you are not using any CVs.

 

I'm at 144/150 plane kills so far and I'm not even trying to get any because I wanted to complete both third stages at the same time, but I only have 49 fires yet.

 

I was hoping the Kongo mission would give me some motivation to take the Lexington out of its spiderweb-filled hangar, but looks like that ain't happening.

 

If you are hell-bent on getting the Kongo first, though, either try out the Air-Superiority setup or use the ALT-attack of the fighters to the best of your abilities.

 

Like this: https://gfycat.com/MadCelebratedClam

 

 

[Hsaki]

You could focus on the Myoko mission first. Killing 30 destroyers and setting 300 fires takes long enough that you will likely have your 150 plane kills by then even if you are not using any CVs.

 

I'm at 144/150 plane kills so far and I'm not even trying to get any because I wanted to complete both third stages at the same time, but I only have 49 fires yet.

 

I was hoping the Kongo mission would give me some motivation to take the Lexington out of its spiderweb-filled hangar, but looks like that ain't happening.

 

If you are hell-bent on getting the Kongo first, though, either try out the Air-Superiority setup or use the ALT-attack of the fighters to the best of your abilities.

 

Like this: https://gfycat.com/MadCelebratedClam

 

 

 

Thanks for the advice dude. My Zuiho is already as good for air superiority as a Zuiho can get unfortunately. That being said, I did get a 18 plane kill game just now, though at a cost of having to bait my torpedo, drop bombers, and friendly independence fighter squadrons. And I only really want the Kongo since I don't know the Myoko character XD 

[Spellfire40]

Shooting down 150 planes in a low tier US CV would be easy with their superior fighters in both squadron numbers and fighter numbers in each squadron. Did they not consider how weak Japanese CV in lower tiers would be in doing this mission though? I can barely get any fighter kills in a zuiho even with dogfighting expert, and all the upgrades geared towards my fighters, with every single time I try to engage in bogue planes ending up either with my fighters decimated by Bogue fighters that comes in to assist (because it gets 2 squadrons), or with my planes trapped because of Bogue fighters. Isn't this mission a little too biased for the US line players...?

 

You are aware that Ryujo and Hiryu have the Option to field 3 Fighter Flights? Nobody forces you to compleate it at T5

[kailii]

Oh well, i grinded it with my Zuiho (4 abysmal fighters) vs. mostly Bogues (12 nice fighters).

 

- Strafing works nicely. Have that Bogue fighters chase your DB, position your fighters, and RATATAT. Personal record was 11 downed fighters, felt like Pappy Boyington.

- Lure them into traps. Fight above Clevelands or BBs, drag them to your CVL (parked next to another CVL if available).

- Some players just give their fighters attack orders and forget about them. A single DB squad can kite 2 fighter squads across the whole map. Or across several friendly AA firing ships.

- If all else fails, nuke the enemy CVL. Hug the edges of the map, don't get spotted.

- If all else still fails, ram them!

 

EDIT: Forgot: Have those fighters dogfight someone else, like a CA floatplane. If you attack with your fighters after they started combat, you won't occur losses until that scout plane dies.Of course this works with one of your attack squads, too...

 

[ColonelPete]

Why not just get the Langley?

Should take you no more than a few days.

[Spellfire40]

Why not just get the Langley?

Should take you no more than a few days.

 

Wasnt it in a T5 up ship? cant see the mission anymore since my Kongo is allready finished.

[ScratxNeko]

Why not just get the Langley?

Should take you no more than a few days.

 

Need Bogue, it's tier 5 plus mission.

 

... And yeah, only DDs are nearly mission impossible for that. ANYBODY else should be able to get it done, they just need to play.

[Spellfire40]

 

Need Bogue, it's tier 5 plus mission.

 

... And yeah, only DDs are nearly mission impossible for that. ANYBODY else should be able to get it done, they just need to play.

 

T5 or higher for Kongo then T6 or higher for Myoko

[kailii]

I'm at 144/150 plane kills so far and I'm not even trying to get any because I wanted to complete both third stages at the same time, but I only have 49 fires yet.

 

This is a bit off topic, but i could recommend the Nuremburg for the fires.

 

In the Nuremberg you can run away from a bad guy and still shoot at him with 6 guns at 15-16km range. Turn around a lot, but never more than say 35 degrees to either side. Avoid running straight from the red one (0 degrees offset).

That way you can hit him constantly with HE while only the best players will be able to hit you if you move unpredictable.

 

And you won't have to worry about letting your team down. In several occasions i have kited Kongos, sometimes two of them, over at least 5 minutes - making them chew their nails off.

In all that time they won't harm anyone else in the team, so PROFIT!

[Synth_FG]

Diddums

Don't play CV's at all and have managed it